Public Schools? Sure, just not for Obama's kids.

[Armelius]

You just don't comprehend how people are socialized. It's very simple so simple that people don't even recognize it when it happens. Just look at ever goal of a teenager and you would start to figure it out.

The thing is I seen it happen more than once and it's not just high school. I am not just talking uniforms in public school or certain things children do on their own. They are guided and even socialized into doing what everyone else does. You would say it isn't wrong but there is some fundamental questions that even an adult can't answer.

You can get mad all you want but so far I haven't seen someone home schooled open up on a group a students. Which doesn't even compare to the point I made above it's just a fact.

[480sx]

You just don't comprehend how people are socialized. It's very simple so simple that people don't even recognize it when it happens.

Your taking these skills for granted. They arnt so simple, you are wrong.

The thing is I seen it happen more than once and it's not just high school. I am not just talking uniforms in public school or certain things children do on their own. They are guided and even socialized into doing what everyone else does. You would say it isn't wrong but there is some fundamental questions that even an adult can't answer.

The study of this is called Sociology. I dont think its the governments fault, although bush still is in office so i cant really be sure.

You can get mad all you want but so far I haven't seen someone home schooled open up on a group a students. Which doesn't even compare to the point I made above it's just a fact.

I got mad because you made an incredibly insensitive remark that seemed to portray you as very callused and cold person. Im not going to get into the personal reasons i have for being pissed off, because they are irrelevant. It also made me angry because the remark didnt support your argument in the least.

Hey, maybe try to think of it this way. A home schooled kid has never opened up on a group of students because HE HAD NO STUDENTS TO OPEN UP ON. Maybe instead they became a serial killer or something.

Or we could look at it statistically. Roughly 2 percent of Americans are home schooled. ~76 percent go to public schools. We(USA) have had hmm, 2-3 school shootings involving students? I would do the math about the odds of one of them being a home school student but you can figure that out yourself.

Still your argument just seems to go everywhere, i wish you would give me some idea about what point your trying to argue..

[Armelius]

The point I am trying to argue because I only know public schools is that it's a center for goverment/corporate socialization because that is what the school system is. Quasi government corporation that is meant to move children in an efficient matter with the main goal as being a loyal citizen that doesn't question the fundamental reason or ask what was the main reason for the socialization in the first place. The answer isn't to interact with fellow students and learn how to properly behave in group settings.

My answer is

SportsBanking/Stock marketPaying taxes

but there is a few others

drivingdrug testingparty affiliationand getting used to quashed forms of freedom of speech, religion, privacy, and ownership of weapons.

[480sx]

The point I am trying to argue because I only know public schools is that it's a center for goverment/corporate socialization because that is what the school system is. Quasi government corporation that is meant to move children in an efficient matter with the main goal as being a loyal citizen that doesn't question the fundamental reason or ask what was the main reason for the socialization in the first place.

Man, come up with a cooler conspiracy theory please. This ones not even entertaining.

The answer isn't to interact with fellow students and learn how to properly behave in group settings.

Oh so socialization and interacting with peers, groups, social settings isnt what a kid needs, i see.

My answer is

SportsBanking/Stock marketPaying taxes

So what we should have starts with a K1 national football league. Middle school can be replaced by learning how to fill out IRS forms(Hey this one might be useful!), and maybe for highschool we should just do stock trading classes. There could be a national 'kiddie stock market' where play money was used and the biggest holders got the scholarships to college!

Maybe then they could learn how to drive, not do drugs, which POLITICAL PARTY TO ASSOCIATE THEMSELVES WITH(seriously the level of hypocrisy here is reaching absurd levels). For advanced lessons they can go to a sarcasm class and learn how deal with a Fahrenheit 911 style government with a little bit of humor.

Dude, im not sure if your really supporting the things your typing or just joking. Im really sorry if your just being sarcastic or whatever, but the things you type are mind boggling.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

We(USA) have had hmm, 2-3 school shootings involving students?

Check your numbers.

[Armelius]

Do some research. Find out what are the requirements of graduation. And then tell me I am wrong. So far you are just repeating what I say and laughing about it. If you are going to debate or argue then you might want to study up.

[480sx]

Check your numbers.

Couldnt be that far off, off the top of your head how many? Shootings of students involving students at school.

Do some research. Find out what are the requirements of graduation. And then tell me I am wrong. So far you are just repeating what I say and laughing about it. If you are going to debate or argue then you might want to study up.

What exactly should i be researching? I know the requirements of graduating.. I came from public schools. If your inferring that i should study sociology or child development that would be even more hilarious because you seem to have little to no grasp on the subject at all.

This isnt really a debate at all, theres nothing here to debate about. O/C im repeating what you say and laughing about it, its hilarious. Your not even defending your absurd ideas either.

[Armelius]

Man, come up with a cooler conspiracy theory please. This ones not even entertaining.

I don't know...maybe the founding fathers of the US were conspirators...is that cool?

Oh so socialization and interacting with peers, groups, social settings isnt what a kid needs, i see.

I am talking about government socialization of the students. Unless you think a student receives most of his/her socialism from their peers.

So what we should have starts with a K1 national football league. Middle school can be replaced by learning how to fill out IRS forms(Hey this one might be useful!), and maybe for highschool we should just do stock trading classes. There could be a national 'kiddie stock market' where play money was used and the biggest holders got the scholarships to college!

Maybe then they could learn how to drive, not do drugs, which POLITICAL PARTY TO ASSOCIATE THEMSELVES WITH(seriously the level of hypocrisy here is reaching absurd levels). For advanced lessons they can go to a sarcasm class and learn how deal with a Fahrenheit 911 style government with a little bit of humor.

Dude, im not sure if your really supporting the things your typing or just joking. Im really sorry if your just being sarcastic or whatever, but the things you type are mind boggling.

that is what is called laughing with not really coming up with an argument.

Yeah, you should study sociology. I have. I have a BA what do you have again?

Modified by Armelius at 5:38 PM 12/9/2008
Modified by Armelius at 5:40 PM 12/9/2008

[480sx]

I made my argument that you pretty much ignored. That laughing at you part was my argument. Its more fun that way. I really cant take you seriously guy, the things you say are so absurd. Still, your dismissing the real argument because im poking fun at your ideas while arguing them.

For claiming to have a degree in sociology while saying things like kids dont need peer to peer and group socialization is ridiculous.

"Government socialization of the students". WHAT THE @#$% ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! Are you HONESTLY saying that a child receives more of his social skills from the government than from his peers?!

Oh noez! The dude who thinks its wrong that society judges people on credentials goes out to attack mine, while thinking his own matter on the interwebz! Oh man, this is getting brutal.

[Armelius]

I made my argument that you pretty much ignored. That laughing at you part was my argument. Its more fun that way. I really cant take you seriously guy, the things you say are so absurd. Still, your dismissing the real argument because im poking fun at your ideas while arguing them.

For claiming to have a degree in sociology while saying things like kids dont need peer to peer and group socialization is ridiculous.

"Government socialization of the students". WHAT THE @#$% ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! Are you HONESTLY saying that a child receives more of his social skills from the government than from his peers?!

Oh noez! The dude who thinks its wrong that society judges people on credentials goes out to attack mine, while thinking his own matter on the interwebz! Oh man, this is getting brutal.

Where do I say I have a degree in Sociology? Are you a liar or just don't know how to read?

Just putting children in a classroom and making them sit down and be quiet is a form of socialization.

What type of education do you have? You haven't spent any money yet have you?

Children learn from their parents, teachers and adults. They might emulate or imitate their peers but when it comes time for making individual life changing choices they are going to mimic their heroes, role models or parents. Now some tend to do as their peers do who have also gone "off track" and they might wind up in jail, pregnant or some other type of delinquency.

Agree or disagree?

[480sx]

Yeah, you should study sociology. I have. I have a BA what do you have again?

Where do I say I have a degree in Sociology? Are you a liar or just don't know how to read?

You cant see how your use of the English language could lead people to believe that you had a degree in sociology?

Just putting children in a classroom and making them sit down and be quiet is a form of socialization.

So is everything that a child/adolescent/adult does and experiences. This is the kind of ridiculous **** you keep saying thats going to cause me to stop wasting time with you.

What type of education do you have? You haven't spent any money yet have you?

Oh noez! The dude who thinks its wrong that society judges people on credentials goes out to attack mine, while thinking his own matter on the interwebz!

I would get into an in depth conversation with you about your last 'point' but for real, i feel like im being brought down by this 1 on 1. Iv made countless points that you have ignored, and your last 'point' is just a redirect with the goal to get your bizarre argument on whatever track you think your still on. If someone else wants to fvk with you on the point you were trying to make, more power to them.

Peace

[Armelius]

Well since you can't disagree or agree with the question I posed. Then you probably have no clue why governments would want to separate the children from their parents and educate them.

Public schools are a fairly new concept in the grand scheme of things that you might call a conspiracy. Maybe you would be better off trying to comprehend the income tax system. You know...where it started and how it began.

For a country to start out protesting taxes and now paying upwards of 40 percent either the schools are failing or the parents. Certainly not the peers.