PapaSmurf2k3 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:54 pm
I'd hate to say it, but I put myself in DaBoss' shoes the other day while watching a Nissan commercial during a football game. The way they market it, it really does sound like its supposed to protect you
no matter what. They tout 360 degrees of monitoring and even show a big bubble/area around the car that it's inspecting. By that logic, it should catch cross-traffic issues.
Probably another case of marketing spinning something that Engineering
never intended. Nissan has been pretty notorious for this. When you read the manual and when you bring it in for service/inspection after a near-miss, only then do you learn that the marketing isn't really the total truth.
This is what really threw me off. They advertised this in a city driving situation, which is bonkers. I really understand the whole highway driving intention, and trust me, if they advertised this using a highway, sure it wouldn't be an issue for me. I literally exercise using cruise control everytime I'm on I-95, I-75 and FL turnpike (this may cause my cruise control module to short out sooner and quicker).
The SA I usually take my 2016 Rogue to for service near home, he was surprised that the FEB failed when I was talking to him about how we are liking the new Rogue. And what I understand out of Nissan these nearly pass 4 years of owning 3 Nissan's is that Nissan does great in some categories, but miserably fails in others. Clearly ProPilot system is still in its baby stage and needs alot of improvement and their marketing sucked. Convinced me that this feature works regardless of hwy and city, but it proved wrong. Literally, this marketing scheme of Nissan literally convinced me to tell dad to buy the dang 2019 Rogue over the 2019 CR-V or 2019 Escape.
RicerX wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:52 am
I've got nothing nice to add but I'm going to add it anyway.
Not everyone lives in a large city. In fact, half of America does not. That's a significant enough business case to make a vehicle that does things better for low traffic roads or interstates. But you don't care about that so I'll save you a dissertation on why people with their own money are buying these cars for the technology that's in them and liking it just fine.
NOTHING drives itself like you want it to - not even the Teslas. Nothing is going to be to your lofty misplaced standards for autonomy until cars are fully networked with each other and fully autonomous. You'd s#!t a goose if you had to drive my first car - it had crazy levers to roll down the windows (and it was quite a reach to roll down the rear passenger side window from the driver's seat). The only thing it did automatically was shift gears, and that was AFTER I put it in drive. You had to start it with a key. You had to lock and unlock doors with a key. It had a cassette deck! Watching you drive one of those would likely be like my Sunday experiences watching people at the self checkout in Wal-Mart.
I hear the bus is pretty autonomous these days. So is the subway.
Dude, I hope you've seen some of my posts where I mentioned we used to own a 1999 Honda Accord before we traded it in for the now scrapped 2018 Nissan Kicks and a 2005 Honda Odyssey before we traded it in for my 2016 Rogue. The Accord had the cassette deck (still works), a single-disc CD player, AM/FM, a freaking clock that can be removed, no screens, no cameras, and mostly no god dang tech (until 2017 when I upgraded the front two speakers and the head unit to have bluetooth and USB compatibility). The Odyssey is very roomy and barely had issues other than the fuel tank recall and few others (we put 151k miles on it in 10 years).
We live on a road which now has a total of roughly 20 signal lights (give or take 5 lights), so its alot of stop and go driving within 5 miles. Most of the route my mom takes consists of signal lights since its considered as "city" driving.
I have given up on these technologies in vehicles already. I want the good old times, where a vehicle wasn't beeping at you for not staying in a lane or beeping at you for a blind spot or just plain out beeps for every small thing imagined. Like give me a break, I don't need to be reminded every single time (good ol' mirrors and using common sense works much better than technology). Also, I stopped driving the new Rogue ever since the incident where it failed (the SA that works near my home dealer was surprised that the FEB failed and was shocked that Nissan of Tampa and NissanUSA said it was "working properly"), and only time I have to drive it is when I have to move it from blocking my Rogue and parking it on the street, because its literally a waste of money and garbage (yeah I might sound spoiled, but I still believe due to Nissan's crappy marketing my dad overpaid for the vehicle). It's literally unreliable and hazardous for the entire family to be in, which makes my 100k mile 2016 Rogue to still be considered as the family vehicle, not the new Rogue. (My brother and father still prefers my Rogue over my moms).
Speaking of, my next vehicle might be a 90s Japanese crapbox (we talking importing a Silvia or Skyline GTR) or brand new money-pit euro crap box or a new Honda/Mazda. Won't be selling my 2016 because I single-handedly diminished the value of it. But I am actually looking into the driver assistance features of all brands I'm interested in, because Nissan's ProPilot assist didn't live up to its name, I want to double check the technology before I make my final decision. Maybe, I might get another Nissan
IF they improve the ProPilot system and removed that horrid CVT w/ V6 engine combination. It's not a freaking sports car when you put an economy tuned transmission paired to a 300 crank horsepower 3.5L NA V6.