Problem with State Sovereignty

[breadbox]

Is it me or does this states vs. government issue on rights and laws somewhat parallel the USSR?

[smockers83]

Extrapolate please.

[Bubs daddy]

What's the problem? Some reference or specificity is needed.

[breadbox]

Here is what I am thinking...

I am not up on everything from the cold war era. except that commy is today's terrorlst/anti-american.

The United States seems similar to the USSR in that they are/were a collection of separate government states with a greater unified government to run it.

We are seeing states wanting to be more independent from the greater unified government and to have a greater control over it's citizens.

Not all states have equal amounts of resources, so if a state left the union it could be "cutoff".

Is there any reason to forget this similarity or look into it a bit more to maybe gain further insight into what we are headed for?

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Extrapolate please.

Indeed.

I hate to be the "well in college...." guy, but the sovereignty of states is an issue I've "extensively" written on.

Off the cuff, I'd say that our Federal system and the sovereignty of lack of it it provides is different from the alliance by gunpoint the USSR was.

[breadbox]

Off the cuff, I'd say that our Federal system and the sovereignty of lack of it it provides is different from the alliance by gunpoint the USSR was.

Well, that may not be evident, until they have to threaten a state to stay in the union. I have never made or thought of the analogy of USA/USSR, until today.

Globalization scares the crap out of me. So does the fact that FEMA has tanks.We own nukes. I, you, him, her, that baby WE own nukes. This scares me.

Maybe someone explain to me the difference in the formation of the USSR and the USA and why this can never happen to us.

The main difference may be the option for the NAU.
Modified by breadbox at 4:18 PM 3/6/2009

[audtatious]

States all report to the one true ruler. That shall never end

[Urabus GodofTraction]

[QUOTE=breadbox]So does the fact that FEMA has tanks.QUOTE]

Cite sources.

[breadbox]

Damn I can't find the story, but however I did come across this.

http://www.infowars.com/new-le...in-us/

Read the new legislation in full below.

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National Emergency Centers Establishment Act (Introduced in House)

HR 645 IH

111th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 645To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 22, 2009Mr. HASTINGS of Florida introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, and in addition to the Committee on Armed Services, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

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A BILLTo direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `National Emergency Centers Establishment Act’.

SEC. 2. ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.

(a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations.

(b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure–

(1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster;

(2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders;

(3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and

(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.

SEC. 3. DESIGNATION OF MILITARY INSTALLATIONS AS NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.

(a) In General- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate not fewer than 6 military installations as sites for the establishment of national emergency centers.

(b) Minimum Requirements- A site designated as a national emergency center shall be–

(1) capable of meeting for an extended period of time the housing, health, transportation, education, public works, humanitarian and other transition needs of a large number of individuals affected by an emergency or major disaster;

(2) environmentally safe and shall not pose a health risk to individuals who may use the center;

(3) capable of being scaled up or down to accommodate major disaster preparedness and response drills, operations, and procedures;

(4) capable of housing existing permanent structures necessary to meet training and first responders coordination requirements during nondisaster periods;

(5) capable of hosting the infrastructure necessary to rapidly adjust to temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance needs;

(6) required to consist of a complete operations command center, including 2 state-of-the art command and control centers that will comprise a 24/7 operations watch center as follows:

(A) one of the command and control centers shall be in full ready mode; and

(B) the other shall be used daily for training; and

(7) easily accessible at all times and be able to facilitate handicapped and medical facilities, including during an emergency or major disaster.

(c) Location of National Emergency Centers- There shall be established not fewer than one national emergency center in each of the following areas:

(1) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions I, II, and III.

(2) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IV.

(3) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions V and VII.

(4) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region VI.

(5) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions VIII and X.

(6) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IX.

(d) Preference for Designation of Closed Military Installations- Wherever possible, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate a closed military installation as a site for a national emergency center. If the Secretaries of Homeland Security and Defense jointly determine that there is not a sufficient number of closed military installations that meet the requirements of subsections (b) and (c), the Secretaries shall jointly designate portions of existing military installations other than closed military installations as national emergency centers.

(e) Transfer of Control of Closed Military Installations- If a closed military installation is designated as a national emergency center, not later than 180 days after the date of designation, the Secretary of Defense shall transfer to the Secretary of Homeland Security administrative jurisdiction over such closed military installation.

(f) Cooperative Agreement for Joint Use of Existing Military Installations- If an existing military installation other than a closed military installation is designated as a national emergency center, not later than 180 days after the date of designation, the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Secretary of Defense shall enter into a cooperative agreement to provide for the establishment of the national emergency center.

(g) Reports-

(1) PRELIMINARY REPORT- Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site–

(A) an outline of the reasons why the site was selected;

(B) an outline of the need to construct, repair, or update any existing infrastructure at the site;

(C) an outline of the need to conduct any necessary environmental clean-up at the site;

(D) an outline of preliminary plans for the transfer of control of the site from the Secretary of Defense to the Secretary of Homeland Security, if necessary under subsection (e); and

(E) an outline of preliminary plans for entering into a cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f).

(2) UPDATE REPORT- Not later than 120 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site–

(A) an update on the information contained in the report as required by paragraph (1);

(B) an outline of the progress made toward the transfer of control of the site, if necessary under subsection (e);

(C) an outline of the progress made toward entering a cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f); and

(D) recommendations regarding any authorizations and appropriations that may be necessary to provide for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site.

(3) FINAL REPORT- Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site–

(A) finalized information detailing the transfer of control of the site, if necessary under subsection (e);

(B) the finalized cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f); and

(C) any additional information pertinent to the establishment of a national emergency center at the site.

(4) ADDITIONAL REPORTS- The Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, may submit to Congress additional reports as necessary to provide updates on steps being taken to meet the requirements of this Act.

SEC. 4. LIMITATIONS ON STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION.

This Act does not affect–

(1) the authority of the Federal Government to provide emergency or major disaster assistance or to implement any disaster mitigation and response program, including any program authorized by the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5121 et seq.); or

(2) the authority of a State or local government to respond to an emergency.

SEC. 5. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.

There is authorized to be appropriated $180,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2009 and 2010 to carry out this Act. Such funds shall remain available until expended.

SEC. 6. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act, the following definitions apply:

(1) CLOSED MILITARY INSTALLATION- The term `closed military installation’ means a military installation, or portion thereof, approved for closure or realignment under the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Act of 1990 (part A of title XXIX of Public Law 101-510; 10 U.S.C. 2687 note) that meet all, or 2 out of the 3 following requirements:

(A) Is located in close proximity to a transportation corridor.

(B) Is located in a State with a high level or threat of disaster related activities.

(C) Is located near a major metropolitan center.

(2) EMERGENCY- The term `emergency’ has the meaning given such term in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122).

(3) MAJOR DISASTER- The term `major disaster’ has the meaning given such term in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122).

(4) MILITARY INSTALLATION- The term `military installation’ has the meaning given such term in section 2910 of the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Act of 1990 (part A of title XXIX of Public Law 101-510; 10 U.S.C. 2687 note).

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Are you reading the same bill I'm reading?

That lets FEMA establish OPS centers on military bases. Not give them guns.

[breadbox]

Well I'll just say I am wrong on that one.

Unless you want to go literal then I am still right.

FEMA tanks could leakBy Eileen SullivanThe Associated PressPublished Wednesday, August 13, 2008

WASHINGTON — The government owns hundreds of underground fuel tanks — many designed for emergencies back in the Cold War — that need to be inspected for leaks of hazardous substances that could make local water undrinkable.

^I typed fema tanks and that was first on the list.

[breadbox]

Also why the hell do they NOW need to make provisional camps unless they are going to use them for something, IDK say pandemic.

You could say well maybe someone is anticipating a weird rounding up of the "homeless" in some half brained scheme to "solve the housing crisis", all the while the government has more and more control(giving good reason mind you) and we all become part of a "system" in the name of "safety". *start Fear Factory music now* All great and good until YOU don't meet the requirements to stay in the system. We are obsolete.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Well I'll just say I am wrong on that one.

Unless you want to go literal then I am still right.

FEMA tanks could leakBy Eileen SullivanThe Associated PressPublished Wednesday, August 13, 2008

WASHINGTON — The government owns hundreds of underground fuel tanks — many designed for emergencies back in the Cold War — that need to be inspected for leaks of hazardous substances that could make local water undrinkable.

^I typed fema tanks and that was first on the list.

Yeah, I got that too.

[themadscientist]

Also why the hell do they NOW need to make provisional camps unless they are going to use them for something, IDK say pandemic.

You could say well maybe someone is anticipating a weird rounding up of the "homeless" in some half brained scheme to "solve the housing crisis", all the while the government has more and more control(giving good reason mind you) and we all become part of a "system" in the name of "safety". *start Fear Factory music now* All great and good until YOU don't meet the requirements to stay in the system. We are obsolete.

No more X-files DVDs for you.

[breadbox]

infowars has some pretty scary articles.

[themadscientist]

What's that sound? Must be them FEMA TANKS OH SNAP!

[breadbox]

Oh shizzz

Just found someone say this elsewhere."I Mean I'm practicly in tears here what happened to my country?? I feal Like I'm living in Russia. They used to say in Russia you had to show your papers to move about the country. Now we have Real-ID, No fly lists, free speach zones, rendition, endless war, and coming soon a police state"
Modified by breadbox at 2:11 PM 3/17/2009

[HashiriyaS14]

You need to stop listening to talk radio, go get some ice cream, walk around outside, and chill the f**k out.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

What's that sound? Must be them FEMA TANKS OH SNAP!

M60. Nice.