Presidential Address

[ninjak84]

What are your thoughts?

Here's mine:I'm glad Chretien did something right, and said Canada won't support the USA.Good job.I'll be on my couch watching the news with a bowl of popcorn during this war

[big jon's 240]

Ladies and gentlemen, its time to kick some ***! :uzi :patriot

God bless our troops.

[BuudWeizErr]

I missed it. Server went down at work today. Cliffs Notes?

[Rockenreno]

Saddam and his family have 48 hours to step down and leave Iraq or the good 'ol USA :patriot goes in with its big stick and boots him out. That and he took a few shots at France, but who doesn't?

[ninjak84]

Also, Canada stated they won't support the USA without a UN resolution.Haha, you won't even notice we're gone, but it was important to state officially.

[themadscientist]

We'll support you if Quebec tries to invade english speaking Canada. They speak French so We don't like them.

[Stoneage_Turbo]

weve all been wondering when to have our bags packed....now we know ...48 hours

bush sounded like a nice guy tho with the special message to the iraqis to let them know we dont have anything against them , just there leadership , dont mean much to us but to them its saying , hey we might blow up your house but we arent after you , just the scud launcher sadam parked by your kid's swingset

[sultan]

check out this link: http://komo1000news.com/audio/...3.mp3

[MaineExport]

What are your thoughts?

Here's mine:I'm glad Chretien did something right, and said Canada won't support the USA.Good job.I'll be on my couch watching the news with a bowl of popcorn during this war

My thoughts... not important, but it's nice to see the value you put on life. Eating popcorn on the couch while people (on both sides) die... as if to say that it's some kind of b-movie war dama... nice. Thanks for reminding me that Canadians can be shallow a$$holes. Must be the french running through you.

You don't have to like our country... you don't have to like us, and you don't have to like what we do... but to act as though seeing American men die is entertaining is ignorant and rude. It is amazing to me how much people take for granted... it further amazes me that they can be so ungratful.

[APEXi240]

Also, Canada stated they won't support the USA without a UN resolution.Haha, you won't even notice we're gone, but it was important to state officially.

Yeah, that way its on record when we decide to take over your country.

[VimyJ]

Yeah, that way its on record when we decide to take over your country.

See! Here we go. :rolleyes

The Canucks do have something in Common with Iraq. They didn't attack the WTC either so I guess invasion would be justified.

Given the tactics of the W & Co. admin., Canada will have no choice but to whip up a few nukes, eh? Then the US will be too scared to do anything and will start giving Canada stuff.Hey, and we only want the good stuff! None of that crap you call beer.

Which reminds me, another instalment of Strong Bad's antics should be ready. I hope he kicks the Cheat real good this time. I wish I had a Cheat. W is pissing me off. The guy has crap for brains. Nuecular? What the crap is that?

[VimyJ]

Also, Canada stated they won't support the USA without a UN resolution.Haha, you won't even notice we're gone, but it was important to state officially.

Canada said from the very beginning that it would not participate in invasion without UN resolution. I'm glad they're sticking to their guns (pardon the pun).

While Canada isn't getting directly involved in the illegitimate invasion of Iraq, it is fully involved in the truly important war on terror. Canada is taking over Kabul this summer releasing 3,000 US troops and is commanding the multinational shipping interdiction mission which frees up US naval assets. So, Canada is participating indirectly in the invasion and occupation.

Here is an interesting story you US members for sure don't know about: I think it was the late 80's but a there was a fishing dispute between Canada and Spain. Spanish trawlers were poaching in the Canadian economic zone of control near Newfoundland. The dispute escalated to the point where Spain sent warships. Canada responded by continuing the Coast Guard interdiction and sending two submarines out on a well publisized "training exercise". The Spanish don't fish in the disputed zone anymore.

[MasterMan]

weve all been wondering when to have our bags packed....now we know ...48 hours

bush sounded like a nice guy tho with the special message to the iraqis to let them know we dont have anything against them , just there leadership , dont mean much to us but to them its saying , hey we might blow up your house but we arent after you , just the scud launcher sadam parked by your kid's swingset

yeah i agree, but is war really the awser? he also was like "DONT SET FIRE TO YOUR OIL FIELDS" u know thats what he is after.. and the whole "trying to kill his dad" a few years back.. but i sware somthing bad is gonna happen inside the USA as soon as we drop a bomb.. i can feel it but its out of all our hands so whatever...

[VimyJ]

But, seriously folks, about this address:

W has no conclusive evidence (ala Kennedy's on Cuba) so his argument for self defence is unsupported.

The US can insist upon enforcing 1441 and previous resolutions. This, actually has long puzzled me. When Clinton sent in the cruise missilse and W the 1st dithered when Saddam immediately started wiping out Shi'ite (hope that makes it past the filter) and Kurd (should be safe with that one, maybe) opposition, why those resolutions weren't acted upon?

Now W flouts the authority of the UN whose very backing he claimed he wanted. Bad, bad, bad.

I want W to fall on his aassss hard. But, that leaves me in a bad place. I don't want US forces to suffer even one casualty. How do you support troops that are loyally doing their duty and revile their commander in chief who is sending them on a mission of out and out greed? I hope Saddam leaves and settles in Maine, or some place, if only for the sake of the troop's safety and well being (not to mention the folks worried at home).

48 hours to get out of Dodge? And people wonder why so many of the world's people think W is a "cowboy" so fooled by the myth of old west that he plays nearsighted brinkmanship games with "the guys who tried to kill his paw."

The American public are completely fooled by W's abuse of their patrotism and respect for the presidency. Shameful, that W spends the emotional capital of that great office that was built up by Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and other great presidents on a shameless grab for oil and power. It goes against what "America" truly stands for. Self determination not imperialism. Shameful, I say.

[myRed240]

I agree with you Vimy. Here's a great article for all to read: http://www.msnbc.com/news/8852...cp1=1

[KarmaPolice]

The United States gets most of its oil from Canada. So if the war was about oil we would just invade Canada. Open your eyes folks, one man cannot make war. It takes Congress, and that resolution PASSED!!!!!!! (with flying colors I might add). I was in Kuwait the last time and Saddam signed a cease fire and agreed to destroy weapons that he didn't. And as for any coming terrorisim, remember 911. Things were good the sun was shining then all hell broke loose. The terrorists want you to be scared and want you to worry about what is coming next hence the name terrorlst. My advice to everyone is to get your news from more than one channel or newspaper or wherever you get it from, and form your own opinions. Like it or not, war is coming. When South Africa disarmed it completely opened its borders and allowed full unescorted access to UN inspectors. Iraq has not done this. I dont wanna rant but some people are uninformed. Have a good day.

[VimyJ]

I agree with you Vimy. Here's a great article for all to read: http://www.msnbc.com/news/8852...cp1=1

Wow! Fantastic essay!

Here's a couple of notes I made:

- W's heavy handedness is going to topple some friendly gov'ts

- Will Islam become the couterbalance?

- W's diplomatic efforts and overview compared to FDR's are sickeningly lacking.

- What colour hat does cowboy Bush really wear?

- Can't totally blame the US people because they didn't actually elect W. Democratic? Time for a change in the system methinks.

- The article failed to mention the rise of theocratic Islam as a threat to the Western world that W is enabling.

That was a very well written piece and the author knows his history. Thanks for giving the link!! I don't feel as alone in the wilderness as I once did.

[MaineExport]

Hey... you sure do get giddy when someone sees things your way!;)

And you are never alone ... you've always got us here to make you feel better about yourself.

[VimyJ]

The United States gets most of its oil from Canada. So if the war .....

You have a prophetic screen name, KarmaPolice. I just hope the karma doesn't come around in my lifetime.

You are focussed on the minutia that W wants you focussed on. Yours are the empty justifications for war that other failed leaders have attempted.

There is no justification for self defence which takes care of the congress angle. The resolutions are he UN's not the US's which takes care of the "enforce the resolutions which aren't even ours" angle.

This is an illegitimate attempt to grab power by a myopic and greedy administration.

[VimyJ]

Hey... you sure do get giddy when someone sees things your way!

And you are never alone ... you've always got us here to make you feel better about yourself.

I'm all in a swoon!;)

You have to admit that he does have some disturbing insights into the W doctrine.

Saddam doesn't have to go to Maine. Maybe he'll go to Arizona. Don't worry, even if he got elected Governor he couldn't run for President. Not born in the US. That's why you can't elect me president either. You? Well, you're just not popular enough.

[Rockenreno]

This is an illegitimate attempt to grab power by a myopic and greedy administration.

Sorry to know you off your high horse here, I know you're on a roll, but that isn't the reason Bush wants to go into Iraq. We don't want Iraq, we want Saddam out of Iraq. Perhaps you didn't hear the speech or read that CNN article posted earlier? You are neglecting a lot of it.

Some points I noticed:

- Bush will be lauded in the future for going to war with Iraq, it is the right decision.

- Bush's ideas are in the right place, but the way he presents them are his flaw.

- Bush wants Saddam out. This is not about oil (except to the French and Ruskies), but about world safety.

- Somebody has to do it sooner or later. Bush is admirable for having the guts to stick up for what is right despite opposition from the uninformed.

I think that you choose to ignore much of the truth. Saddam is in violation of many treaties and resolutions. The French are the only real obsticle in the way of a UN resolution (why do they have veto power anyway? I'd trust it more with Germany!).

The USA is going in to oust Saddam, then we are going to assist Iraq in rebuilding its government. Oil has nothing to do with this, we get very little oil from them. This is just something that anti-war people make up to undermine the true nature of the impending war: to eliminate an evil and criminal dictator from power. I don't know how I can explain it any more clearly! Why can't you see that we are not in it for ourselves so much as the good of the international community! Will it take another war brought on by Saddam to make you realize that he is a threat to world security? If so, maybe you should have paid more attention for the past 12 years...

[Eswift]

Bush is admirable for having the guts to stick up for what is right despite opposition from the uninformed.

you really are deluding yourself if you think George W. Bush has ever been INFORMED about anything. hilarious concept.

i pity you and the majority of the US population who let the wool be pulled over your eyes. It is the direct result of your ignorance that the united states is the laughing stock of the world.

of course, the war will do wonders for the economy, just as any war does, and all bush's shortcomings on every other front will magically be forgotten.

the french have never been more right than now.

Mike, thanks for speaking some sense, i agree with everything you have said, and i am not even partially canadian.

[ninjak84]

My thoughts... not important, but it's nice to see the value you put on life. Eating popcorn on the couch while people (on both sides) die... as if to say that it's some kind of b-movie war dama... nice. Thanks for reminding me that Canadians can be shallow a$$holes. Must be the french running through you.

No way. Are you for real?Put down your flag for 2 seconds and learn how to hold a civil conversation.Holy damn, I can't believe this site. You guys will take every chance to turn a thread into a USA vs Canada thread. I actually typed out about 500 words against you an Americans, but I decided to delete it. With the war coming up, all the anti-Canadian BS is just going to get worse, and I'll have to keep making the same arguments. Besides maineimport, you aren't an American.... you're just an ignorant fool that gives other Americans a bad name.Instead, this is my last post on these forums. After two years, I'm not willing to stay and put up with the lame BS I keep hearing. I thought cutting back my user time, and starting good threads would help, but it doesn't look that way. There's a reason why this site has such a bad rep, and I don't want to be a part of it anymore.

palmer: Good luck with the new ride, it sounds amazing, congrats.Freak: Gimme a shout if you're ever in AB man!blink0r: You too!Stonage_Turbo: Get the 300zx finally!!! And ease off the booze dude!drifter: I'll still mail you some pics of my ride. My install day is on the 28th of this month, but I'll keep in touch.driftaholic: Thanks for making that sweet cartoon of my ride! All the Techs and Mods: Good job guys, you're the only ones keeping this site alive.

I'm logging out after this post, and I'm not going to check any replies.Laters, everyone! :wavey

[Mayhem_J30]

Although this is a thread about US vs Canada (which should be closed) it's based on the war with Iraq which is no longer allowed to be discussed until the war is over. So it will be closed.

[AZhitman]

It is the direct result of your ignorance that the united states is the laughing stock of the world.

all bush's shortcomings on every other front will magically be forgotten.

the french have never been more right than now.

I'm sitting here for half an hour trying to figure out which statement is more ludicrous.

Originally posted by ninjak84Besides maineimport, you aren't an American.... you're just an ignorant fool that gives other Americans a bad name.

For this, I say good riddance to you, sir. I'll make it a point to ensure you don't return, given your assessment of our little group.