PowerFC into a '97 KA24DE, with dyno chart! All plug and play!

[bruinbear714]

Iposted in the KA NA forums, but figured you KA-T guys might be interested also.

Next step is to fix the loose ends on my car and see how much power I can squeeze out of a boosted KA.

[sunnys14]

what power FC application did you use? i dont think they make one for a KA

[Structure240sx]

a while back bruin said he wanted to make a conversion harness from an SR PFC to work for the ka. seems like he backed it up. thats good news since you can find PFC's kinda cheap

now just make a few extra harnesses

[Jookmasta]

interestin............im kinda unclear as to what the power fc actually does in regards to its affects on the ecu. anyone care to explain? (i would search it but i think it would add to thread)

[nismofly]

i thought it just worked similar to like an e-manage

[Chezedik]

No, PFC has it's own ECU that you swap out. Then the commander changes the settings. It is basically like adding a flashed ECU with some controller, like you might on a Mustang or Camaro. It is standalone in the sense that it isn't stock. But fuel control on it looks to be less resolute than emanage (16X16, or at least the same), but it has built in timing control (without having to buy more gear). But at the price (about 900) I would rather go emanage for a mild setup. When you start getting more involved, you need more than just a piggyback.

[nismofly]

so its basically a rough bottom line standalone

[Chezedik]

yes, but not a bad one for the price, and very basic in setup. Not as powerful as some of the others which are only a little more. But way more powerful than SAFC and even more powerful than emanage.

[nismofly]

well maybe i should consider this over e-manage ultimate i had been then

[Jookmasta]

well if the fc runs 900, by far its not worth getting IMO as you would be ahead of the game cost wise with an enthalpy and safc.............actually u could get a tuned ecu and emanage ultimate and u then would really have nothing to worry about. obviously thats kinda overkill but i think unless u can score one of these for cheap, u would be better off with another route.

of course, its always good to have more options to decide from so its a good thing to see one of these being able to work with a KA. good stuff bruin and post up more data as u acquire it with the use of it.

[Chezedik]

The main problem with emanage is that since it is a piggyback when you adjust for fuel, you will not change the K value, you will affect the way the computer sees load. The load and timing are NOT independent, so when load changes so does timing. This is the same problem that SAFC has. You can buy the timing harnesses but then you just end up with a piggyback lying to a stock computer. You really need to just step up to the plate and go full standalone at that point. The PFC is a standalone that has SAFC ease of use.

[nismofly]

i would do a jwt or enthalpy tune but i plan on starting off with a list of stuff at around 230-240 ish rwhp, then getting more parts when i want, install those, and bump it to around 300, max i want to run on stock block

this sounds like it would be a lot better than the e-manage, and i really cant run a jwt or enthalpy, so its the way to go

[Chezedik]

You know you can send your emanage to Enthalpy. But I would still go with a good tune on a stock ECU and modify from there. You get stock reliability with stock ease of use. Unless you are going balls out, don't worry about tuning yourself unless you need to save the money or plan on making a lot of changes.

[nismofly]

im thinking at this point maybe ill start with just e-manage, or safc even, then when i get to the second setup, the "non built engine but high power" setup, then ill get an enthalpy tune and run the e-manage with it for a fine tune

[Fenvy]

900 is brand new price for the power fc + commander

I paid 890 shipped for the E5 ecu replacement (blacktop)

however the red top ecu are dime a dozen, you can get them used for about 500 on ebay

[bruinbear714]

I posted an update and some answers to common questions in the other message, link located in first post of this message.

[Chezedik]

And in theory, the red top would be the one you would use to run the KA right? I think I read something about the SR and S13 programming being similar, but that the S14 was totally on it's head.

[Fenvy]

I Am refering to s13 black top, you're talking about s14 notch top which happens to be black

[WDRacing]

The new EManage doesn't change the load through the MAF it changes the duty cycle at the injector. So no more timing vs load issues. In fact, it has a feature to remove the MAF and use a MAP based setup. +2 for the Emanage, cheaper and eliminates the MAF.