Power FC :( RB20DET

Post by **Yellow4g63** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:28 pm

I'm about to bend over and buy one. Freaking expensive lol it's comming up to 967 or 977 shipped. I tried to call apexi but the guy gave me a the part # for the R32 GTR PFC:rolleyes. Damn This thing is goin to cost just as much as motor did lol. Also Emailed FC logits about the box hope they have good news I want that thing too. forget the commander takes too long to tune with that thing. Next stop after that is to get 2 more 660cc injectors (already have 4 from my DSM) and drop in the Q45 MAF and a bigger turbo if I have the money after bills this month

Ohh yeah http://www.ap-engineering.co.jp. Wish the PFC from GTS rumor was true but can't take that gamble and have it not work.

Post by **themadscientist** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:28 pm

THERE IS A POWER FC FOR THE RB20DET.

hear me? It was a special one along with the CA18DET and if memory serves the FC3S RX-7. It was only available from a Power Excel dealer and required some extra programming or something before you could use it. IMO at the price of the Power FC andF-Con V pro you could almost get an engine management system so I can't see the logic.

Post by **rbsileighty** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:28 pm

I've seen Microtech LTX12's running for the same price as the Power FC's.

Post by **themadscientist** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:28 pm

http://www.ap-engineering.co.jp/el/p_fc.htm

It's the first one listed!

Post by **BoostFab** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:28 pm

Quote »IMO at the price of the Power FC andF-Con V pro you could almost get an engine management system so I can't see the logic.[/quote] TOTALLY AGREED...that price is about 1-200$ away from the Haltech...i can't justify a piggy back at that price.

Post by **FAST-DATSUN** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:28 pm

Before you buy call me!!!!!!!!! MACK

Post by **Wulfgang** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:28 pm

I don't understand. Why pay that much for a Power FC, when you can have re-programmed OEM control for much less. You could buy an eprom emulator, get your eprom removed and socketed, and get all of the software to modify your OEM fuel/ignition maps, rev limit, injector size, MAF curves, etc. for much less than half of what you are going to pay.

Why? What does a piggy back or even a Haltech have on the easily programmable Nissan ECU? Certainly the price is not better!

Post by **rbsileighty** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:28 pm

This is what the Haltech has over a reburned ECU:

Stepper motor and BAC/IAC closed loop Idle Control Turbo wastegate control for boost control O2 sensor closed loop mixture control On board data logging (up to 200 samples per second) Variable spaced load and RPM 3D maps Numerous correction maps to ensure smooth drivability under varying operating conditionsHalwin Software

You typically get what you pay for

Post by **Yellow4g63** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:28 pm

BoostsFed wrote:TOTALLY AGREED...that price is about 1-200$ away from the Haltech...i can't justify a piggy back at that price.

Since when is the PFC a Piggy back??? I didn't say SAFC.

Post by **Yellow4g63** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:28 pm

Wulfgang wrote:I don't understand. Why pay that much for a Power FC, when you can have re-programmed OEM control for much less. You could buy an eprom emulator, get your eprom removed and socketed, and get all of the software to modify your OEM fuel/ignition maps, rev limit, injector size, MAF curves, etc. for much less than half of what you are going to pay.

Why? What does a piggy back or even a Haltech have on the easily programmable Nissan ECU? Certainly the price is not better!

I'd rather save the time and grab a PFC. Making the rom burner, locate chips, order chips, Use program. I have played around with the software before and I kinda got the hang of it but why bother. I'm goin to run the FClogit box on the PFC so I can use the Lap top tune the car.

Post by **Yellow4g63** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:28 pm

FAST-DATSUN wrote:Before you buy call me!!!!!!!!! MACK

I can't I get off work too late and go in too early and they have me working 6 days a week. I haven't placed my order yet tho.

Post by **BoostFab** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:28 pm

lol; i was thinking somethine else.

Post by **Yellow4g63** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:28 pm

themadscientist wrote:http://www.ap-engineering.co.jp/el/p_fc.htm

It's the first one listed!

Thats the one I'm getting the one for the RB20.

Post by **Wulfgang** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:28 pm

rbsileighty wrote:This is what the Haltech has over a reburned ECU:

Stepper motor and BAC/IAC closed loop Idle Control Turbo wastegate control for boost control O2 sensor closed loop mixture control On board data logging (up to 200 samples per second) Variable spaced load and RPM 3D maps Numerous correction maps to ensure smooth drivability under varying operating conditionsHalwin Software

You typically get what you pay for

Yes, true, but you already paid for the ECU.

OEM ECU does do closed loop idle control, via a switched valve (not a stepper). Same function, different mechanism.

Turbo wastegate control... ok, I'll give you that one

It would be nice to have that on the ECU.

OEM ECU also has O2 sensor closed loop mixture control. Or did you mean wideband control?

Data logging... yeah that'd be nice too...

OEM ECU can easily do variable spaced load and RPM 3D maps.

And I'm not sure what you meant by the last one. For a street car, I think that programming the OEM ECU is the best overall option for driveability, reliability, ease of install (of course), and price. But yeah, I can't knock the Haltech if you have the money and inclination. Just my opinion anyway.

But I still think anything close to $1k is far too much to pay for a piggyback. And to Yellow4g63, you do not have to buy chips at all. With an eprom emulator/software/laptop you're good to go.

Post by **Yellow4g63** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:28 pm

Wulfgang wrote:Yes, true, but you already paid for the ECU.

OEM ECU does do closed loop idle control, via a switched valve (not a stepper). Same function, different mechanism.

Turbo wastegate control... ok, I'll give you that one It would be nice to have that on the ECU.

OEM ECU also has O2 sensor closed loop mixture control. Or did you mean wideband control?

Data logging... yeah that'd be nice too...

OEM ECU can easily do variable spaced load and RPM 3D maps.

And I'm not sure what you meant by the last one. For a street car, I think that programming the OEM ECU is the best overall option for driveability, reliability, ease of install (of course), and price. But yeah, I can't knock the Haltech if you have the money and inclination. Just my opinion anyway.

But I still think anything close to $1k is far too much to pay for a piggyback. And to Yellow4g63, you do not have to buy chips at all. With an eprom emulator/software/laptop you're good to go.

You do know the PFC is not a piggy back right? It is a standalone computer that you plug into your harness. A Rom tune can be good if you get it tuned on the Dyno and burn the chip there. Speaking for myself I love to tune the car thats the only reason why I thought PFC right away. If I had more time on my hands I would go with the Haltech E11.

Power FC :( RB20DET

Power FC :( RB20DET

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