Possibly buying an 240sx- questions.

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amotion578
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Guy on craigslist selling a 1989 240sx 5-spd with a KA24DE from a 1994 240. Odo reads 144k. He's asking 1500.

My questions (and concerns) about this car are these:

- At one point this car was a track-going car. I'm concerned that now the engine is one tick away from total death. I've heard and read that the KA engines are quite reliable, are there any warning signs to a KA motor on its last legs? Besides obvious things like 'theres massive amounts of smoke coming from the car' or 'it sounds like someone is hitting the engine block with a big hammer'

- Radiator leaks from the top (cap I'm guessing), overheats sitting at idle for 10+ minutes, the top of the radiator is rusty. I know this is a future disaster waiting to happen. I've seen the DIY radiator replacement and have found radiators for $85, I'm guessing they're not too terribly difficult to install?

- Apparently when the KA24 motor was swapped in, there was no room for the power steering unit and thus it was disconnected. Is there a difference between the KA20 and KA24 PS units? And about how much would a full PS kit run me/how terribly difficult would it be to hook it all up?

- Also from the swap, the heater and A/C do not work at all. No air whatsoever. I'm guessing the piping is gone.. therefore would I have to find/buy piping and whatnot? I'm assuming the heater core was left in place and the piping was removed.. would there be any sure way to see whether or not the heater core is still there? (I can live without A/C.. heat however.. probably not!)

- The transmission apparently "wobbles" at low speed. Like the gear shifter will kind of rattle back and forth.. so the guy tells me. He says it doesn't affect the way the car shifts and it goes away when you get up to speed. I don't know what would cause a problem like this (loose/missing bolt from the transmission/engine mounting?) and how difficult it would be to fix.

I didn't have time to test drive it today and only got to walk around it, get in, and start it up. Given these problems and the amount of money/labor involved into fixing it and making it all work, I think 1500 is ludicrous.. even especially since the rear tires are basically bald and the body is painted some sort of off white primer. I figure a grand would be sufficient for a car in this shape.. as I figure there's only so much work I could do to it to get it working and then have to rely on the fact that I have no idea how many miles the engine has on it and how hard its been driven..

I should note that this investment would be for the purpose of fixing up and having a little pocket sports car to putt around in from time to time (and turn into a drift whore probably). I have no real big intention of turning this into my daily driver, maybe one day turning it into a freeway cruiser (my Mk4 Jetta gets awful freeway mpg thanks to the gear ratios).

Any input/answers/comments are appreciated, and if all goes well I could very well be joining the 240sx club! :D


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ash16847
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Think Id stay away from that one bud. if it overheats running over 10 minutes there could be a blown headgasket, does it idle rough? check the oil and make sure its not milky. Also, If the engine is cold, lookin the radiator and see how much coolant is in there...
Also, a lot of people take out the A/C and power steering units... (just get a KA24DE power steering unit though). For the heater, most people leave them in, but they could have removed the heater units and such, not sure about that one.
Before you make any deals make sure you test drive it and look at it..
Also, it sounds like this is your first 240 if you get it? MAKE SURE you look at the frame rails under the car, the strut towers, the spare wheel well, and the rockers.
if you dont know where they are, here:
strut towers: under hood
rocker panels: pretty much right under the doors... dont know 100% how to explain it...
frame rails: Underbody pretty much
spare wheel well: I really hope I don't have to explain this one lol

As for the shaking.. Im not that much of a mechanic but sounds like maybe the driveshaft? (unless its the transmission mounts, but idk) maybe its the driveshaft U joints going bad or are bad... If so, then the the center support bearing (CSB) will be worn and moving around ins the housing. If thats not it it may be a transmission issue...

and welcome to NICO :)

amotion578
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The guy tells me its the radiator is whats not working right and leads to *radiator letting off lots of steam and then* overheating, and yeah there was quite a bit of rust on the top of the radiator.. could be the cap or it could be a crack, not sure. Apparently its fine when its in motion just not sitting idle for long periods of time.

Of course I'd test drive it before dropping hard earned cash on it.. especially with my family and girl telling me its a total waste of money. I figure for 1500 its totally not worth it but for a grand... maybe. I didn't have a lot of time today and had to check to see my insurance would cover me driving someone else's car.. because apparently this guy lost his license and doesn't have the car insured (hence why selling it I guess).

I'm guessing I'd be checking these places for rust? I took a few quick snaps of it, looked pretty clean inside and out (it was even vacuumed surprisingly enough) and I didn't notice any immediate rust except for the radiator..

Yeah, possible. I'd like to take a mechanic friend over there and have him scope it out, sadly we don't have the same days off :/ the guy assures me it doesn't affect the operation of the car, I guess I'll have to test drive and see if he's BSing or not.


Up until now I've been a v-dub man (mk4 Jetta woo) but the prospect of a cheap (to buy, not in quality!), reliable, little pocket speedster is too overwhelming to not chase!. I should mention this car has some sort of tuned ECU (apparently it revs higher and puts more power out past 4k RPM? I guessed it was an ECU) and a 3" Megan cat-back exhaust. So I reckon the engine (if its still sound) its probably putting out 180hp or something like that.

Fingers crossed I can talk the guy down a 1/3 of his price! :D

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ash16847
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the radiator thing sounds fishy to me... NEVER heard that before..

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Buy, or not buy. There is no possibly. :gapteeth: Sounds rough! I'd offer him $800 and see what bargaining pattern ensues. :yesnod

amotion578
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ash16847 wrote:the radiator thing sounds fishy to me... NEVER heard that before..
Yeah, hence why I'd replace first thing. autopartswarehouse.com had one for like 85 bucks and between me and my mechanic friend we'd figure it out I'm sure! I mean its rusted from the cap to the left... I think the cap leaks or something.
scotty-2-forty wrote:Buy, or not buy. There is no possibly. :gapteeth: Sounds rough! I'd offer him $800 and see what bargaining pattern ensues. :yesnod
Oh I wanna buy.. its a question of price and where on earth am I going to keep this thing haha. Not about to leave it sitting in the parking lot of my apt complex to get broken into/stolen sooooooo I'm trying to negotiate terms of space rental from a friend..

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fiznowler
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I would hold out if I were you. There are alot of good deals to be had on 240s if ya shop around. The problem is they are drift taxed to hell. There are several s13s in my area for sale for 3kish that are stock. Just keep shopping and don't get in a hurry especially if you are just looking for a toy. Check your local car forums sometimes they are great places to find good deals.

amotion578
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fiznowler wrote:I would hold out if I were you. There are alot of good deals to be had on 240s if ya shop around. The problem is they are drift taxed to hell. There are several s13s in my area for sale for 3kish that are stock. Just keep shopping and don't get in a hurry especially if you are just looking for a toy. Check your local car forums sometimes they are great places to find good deals.
Yeah. Good logic too.. ahhhhh I just need to wait and not be so damn impatient in buying a car haha.


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