Bro`! I was just talking to one of my friend's dad, he was one of those old school muscle car builders. He says there is a way to legalize ANY engine. I'm not sure if this still applies to us younger than 50 year olds, but I thought I might share this insightful knowledge to see if there is a possibility to make it work for us. He says that if you configure any engine to run on an alternate fuel source (ie ethanol, lithanol, alcahol), you would be emissions exempt. All you'd have to do is make sure the engine can handle the different fuel source, this would make you ineligible for smog(CA)/emissions cause it wouldn't produce the same material/chemicals burning regular fuel would.
Any thoughts???
PS - I know its hard~! But before you flame, keep this in mind: "Hey, its still a loop-hole to the system" This is only a thought for all those people that REALLY REALLY want to have a street legal 240 with an SR.
Possibility of a LEGALIZED SR????
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Well, from my point of view, if you want your SR to run efficiently, let alone correctly, it'd already be a pain in the ArSe...they've got higher octane in Japan (like 107 right?). No where close to our supreme 97 octane pump gas (emissions reasons). So in order for you to make sure your SR doesnt go to waste, you'd have to buy like 5 bottles of octane booster and fill up on either 76 or Chevron for supreme. And with gas prices at an all time high, its prolly better to have that alternate fuel source. No one said you'd have to pick a fuel source that was hard to come by...I remember back in my Sol days, I saw a 600hp civic that was running on ethanol. The driver said he didn't really have that much of a problem getting a hold of the stuff...Now I dont have that kind of connections on me, but then again, like I said in my 1st post, this is ONLY AN ALTERNATIVE/LOOP HOLE to the system. I'm not saying I'm going to do this, I've got other plans in mind~! Heheheheheheh.
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RatedR wrote:...they've got higher octane in Japan (like 107 right?). No where close to our supreme 97 octane pump gas (emissions reasons). So in order for you to make sure your SR doesnt go to waste, you'd have to buy like 5 bottles of octane booster....
people keep saying this. and people are always wrong. the US uses (RON + MON)/2 aka (R+M)/2 Where as most of the rest of the world uses RON only. read this website for more info.
http://www.btinternet.com/~mad....html
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there are different definitons of the word octane. Japan comes up with the octane rating from JUST the theoritical(sp). The website explains that the theoritical octane rating is always higher than the actual rating. The US uses an average of the theortical and the actual.
110 octane is available in japan, but not required for the SR motor. (I am pretty sure) the sr is suggested to run on 100 octane = 95.8 octane in the us.. and I cant speak for where you live, but all the stations around here offer 94..
aside from that, there are other debates about the 'quality' of the gas availalbe, such as additives and sulfur levels.. I dont know anything about all that, search for 'octane' for that info.
110 octane is available in japan, but not required for the SR motor. (I am pretty sure) the sr is suggested to run on 100 octane = 95.8 octane in the us.. and I cant speak for where you live, but all the stations around here offer 94..
aside from that, there are other debates about the 'quality' of the gas availalbe, such as additives and sulfur levels.. I dont know anything about all that, search for 'octane' for that info.
In SCC they had a twin-engined tiburon that ran on methanol if I remember correctly, pretty sweet...it only did one thing well, it went in a straight line! I just think having an alternative fuel SR would not work for daily driving in particular...I guess if you got all the kinks worked out you could have it for the track or something.
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Nathan wrote:In SCC they had a twin-engined tiburon that ran on methanol if I remember correctly, pretty sweet...it only did one thing well, it went in a straight line! I just think having an alternative fuel SR would not work for daily driving in particular...I guess if you got all the kinks worked out you could have it for the track or something.
It could also do a standing burnout with all 4 wheels. Never thought I'd give props to a Hyundai.
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I guess you could do it that way... there wouldn't be a way for emissions to personally come down and check your fuel so I think you would be able to do that...just make sure to carry around the paper work for your exeption from emissions. Just keep in mind, it takes a LOT to convert your entire fuel system, so it'll take a lot just to undo the work~! I really dont know the solid facts on this, just thought I'd bring it up. But I keep in mind that 500 whp Civic I saw that ran on ethanol, it was pretty sweet~! Just a thought....
yeah that would be great but your presenting more problems than you realize. i used to photograph the top fuel and funny cars when I worked for O'reillys for their quarterly newsletter that was given out inside the company..but during the time before i had full pit access. after runs they would dismantle entire engines and throw in new pistons, rings, cranks, etc.. alcohol burns much hotter..As well in the ways of inefficent air/fuel delivery via carb you could add a shot of methanol to help pass emissions. its not unheard of but there is no reason for the alcohol. As said before, great idea for a loophole but making it work stable is something different all togather.
just my .02
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Thread I found on legalizing swaps.
"In the new Sport Compact Car, May 2003, page 166, they said that the engine and ecu must be from the same year as the car or later. Also the installed engine and host chassis must retain all of their original emission-control equipment. Then you have to go to a smog referee and get it checked out and then pay the fee."
"In the new Sport Compact Car, May 2003, page 166, they said that the engine and ecu must be from the same year as the car or later. Also the installed engine and host chassis must retain all of their original emission-control equipment. Then you have to go to a smog referee and get it checked out and then pay the fee."
sacsxer...
that doesnt apply to JDM engines though, thats USDM motors.. ie: if you are putting a '99 corvette motor in a 1990 vette. There are much different issues to deal wit when you are plopping in a JDM motor.
on another not... I remember reading a series of articles in superstreet a number of years ago about them making an MR2 run off regular pump gas as well as alcohol. I think they put in 2 different fuel systems all-together.... rails, injectors, etc...
that doesnt apply to JDM engines though, thats USDM motors.. ie: if you are putting a '99 corvette motor in a 1990 vette. There are much different issues to deal wit when you are plopping in a JDM motor.
on another not... I remember reading a series of articles in superstreet a number of years ago about them making an MR2 run off regular pump gas as well as alcohol. I think they put in 2 different fuel systems all-together.... rails, injectors, etc...