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Modified by Slappy at 12:40 PM 9/13/2007
poor man drifter.
Re: poor man drifter. (slappythehomelessclown)
well, you may want to consider just saving for coilovers. I know you would like to get something now but eventually you will want them so why waste the $ on springs?
If you are truely dead set on springs/shocks then I guess choose between kgmm, rsr, and tein s. techs' or anything with a linear spring rate. For dampners go for agx's, koni yellows or adjustable tokicos. And try to get a good deal on some used upper mounts, but for what you spend on this its almost coilovers anyway. But as far as balance i dont know that any companies design their springs for specific dampners as a coilover, but a nice adjustable should be able to handle it.
While this will make it handle better dont count on it drifting any better till you get an lsd.
If you are truely dead set on springs/shocks then I guess choose between kgmm, rsr, and tein s. techs' or anything with a linear spring rate. For dampners go for agx's, koni yellows or adjustable tokicos. And try to get a good deal on some used upper mounts, but for what you spend on this its almost coilovers anyway. But as far as balance i dont know that any companies design their springs for specific dampners as a coilover, but a nice adjustable should be able to handle it.
While this will make it handle better dont count on it drifting any better till you get an lsd.
Re: poor man drifter. (slappythehomelessclown)
it takes the same tools to install a spring shock combo. I think a 12 or 14mm for the upper mounts and like a 17 or 18mm for the lowers. You should be able to do it yourself ,there is 3 nuts and 2 bolts and a little brake line clip for the fronts and 3 nuts on each rear, thats it.
Re: poor man drifter. (slappythehomelessclown)
werd.slappythehomelessclown wrote:sup, i'm new here. late merry christmas and a happy new year to all.
i've been drifting my stock 93 240sx coupe' for a solid year now. my skill level has progressed to the point where i know i need a suspension upgrade. i strongly believe in progressing your car as you progress. i usaully frown upon people who waste ton's of $ on ignorant mod's on thier car's and are novice driter's. i've been at a few drift event's and seen guy's with flashy sticker's, ton's of horsepower, big wing's, $2500.00 wheel's, and 0 skill level. usaully the cat's with the junkiest looking car's go out and perform with more skill. people just need to learn it's not an image , it's an art form.
this is what i highly suggets you get for your car if you are truly interested in drifting and want to have a lot of fun doing it.
get a LSD. no, not a VLSD. get a real LSD.get a set of coilovers. make your car low as hell.
you can get by fine with those 2 things.just make sure you have lots of tires around!
and most important thing ever. HAVE FUN!
get a LSD. no, not a VLSD. get a real LSD.get a set of coilovers. make your car low as hell.
you can get by fine with those 2 things.just make sure you have lots of tires around!
and most important thing ever. HAVE FUN!
Re: (PGBrian)
get coillovers....you'll be much happier in the end. and definately a lsd in the future.
To install the spring/shocks is easy. especially if ur putting all new parts. The spring compressor is only needed if ur gonna reuse the old shocks. Also my rsr springs didn't need to be compressed when i put them on. They fit perfectly, I can tell they put time into fitment for these springs. If you need some help installing the springs, i can give u instructions. Email me: [email protected] spam please!
Also alot of my friends have Tein s-techs and KYB gr2's. Cheap, strong, and a good size step up from stock. Good luck! P.S. the gr2's are alittle too soft for the RSR race springs(personal experience)
Also alot of my friends have Tein s-techs and KYB gr2's. Cheap, strong, and a good size step up from stock. Good luck! P.S. the gr2's are alittle too soft for the RSR race springs(personal experience)
Re: (slappythehomelessclown)
well I give you props. you are in the same boat as me. I can't afford coilovers or an lsd either. but we get by drifting the best we can.in the end it will just make us better drifters. as far as drifting mods go I have tokico he's and eibach prokit. its a pretty stiff combination and I got my set up for $200(barely used). if you search for a deal long enough you can find one. i think you should do some ebay shopping also. cheap strut bars and bushings.
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Re: (slappythehomelessclown)
where do you live? im in northern VA and i know a ton of guys in our area that could hook you up w/ the spring/shock install for a 12 pack! (including me)that is, if you live around here...
i'm planning on switching to RSR race springs myself.
I like the KYB AGX shocks personally, and i have stech springs from tein, which are way too soft right now.
hit me up on AIM if you want help w/ the springs/shocks though...
also, here's a tip. search RS*R race on ebaymotors.com...make sure you use the *
i'm planning on switching to RSR race springs myself.
I like the KYB AGX shocks personally, and i have stech springs from tein, which are way too soft right now.
hit me up on AIM if you want help w/ the springs/shocks though...
also, here's a tip. search RS*R race on ebaymotors.com...make sure you use the *
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Re: (slappythehomelessclown)
hey tell me where you're from and i might be able to find someone to help you lol...i dont think you ever mentioned it...
well the stiffer suspension will help you break the tires loose. body roll can be your enemy in getting better. the only thing that will be harder with new suspension is weight transfer.
well if you get stickie up front and crap in the back that would be one of the cheapest and easiest ways to help drift you will have alot less traction in the rear.(that equals lots of fun.)
well if you get stickie up front and crap in the back that would be one of the cheapest and easiest ways to help drift you will have alot less traction in the rear.(that equals lots of fun.)
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Re: (Slappy)
I'm in the same boat as you, except I have been driving 6 months, not a year, and I am a GRIP driver, not drift.I've been driving my 240SX, fully stock (Except for the VLSD i changed to, because my open diff was annoyingly loud, clunky, and messed up. So I guess i've been learning the VLSD for 4 months and the car for 6)mountain passes, runnning with friends.. learning grip driving line.
i have messed up and had the car 'slide/drift' on a few occasions due to some errors.. i did the best i could to straighten the car out (pointing the tires where i want to go) to prevent crashing, BUT all of those instances were not taken easily and one time i even drifted to a stop because couldn't handle the weight transfer.
I don't have money to drop for tires even, and my dad has been helping me with maintenance ($$$) for the car since I lost my job and used up all of my money to buy the car, and pay for a 6 month insurance term.. So I don't drift. (not that gripping doesn't wear my tires either lol. it does)but damn, if i was used to the car sliding around, i'd be much more comfortable if my car lost traction during a **** up.
Same concept though. Learning through practice on basics with basic setup.
To the guy that immediately opened his mouth and said "Get coilovers and LSD. you won't regret it"
Not everybody can spend $1700-$2000 for that stuff, especially many S13 owners. It's hard to justify dropping so much when you probably paid that much or close to that much to get the car itself.
And you don't really NEEED coilovers and $800 nismo LSD to have fun. (I'm still trying to set aside $900 when i get employed for a nismo LSD for when my VLSD starts to wear out anyways...)
VLSD works fine, but doesn't engage lock-up as good as mechanical types for drifting... :*(
If I was getting springs right now, I would save a little money by buying Tein S-TECH for less than other spring sets, and use the money for better shocks.Shocks are more important.
Good luck
i have messed up and had the car 'slide/drift' on a few occasions due to some errors.. i did the best i could to straighten the car out (pointing the tires where i want to go) to prevent crashing, BUT all of those instances were not taken easily and one time i even drifted to a stop because couldn't handle the weight transfer.
I don't have money to drop for tires even, and my dad has been helping me with maintenance ($$$) for the car since I lost my job and used up all of my money to buy the car, and pay for a 6 month insurance term.. So I don't drift. (not that gripping doesn't wear my tires either lol. it does)but damn, if i was used to the car sliding around, i'd be much more comfortable if my car lost traction during a **** up.
Same concept though. Learning through practice on basics with basic setup.
To the guy that immediately opened his mouth and said "Get coilovers and LSD. you won't regret it"
Not everybody can spend $1700-$2000 for that stuff, especially many S13 owners. It's hard to justify dropping so much when you probably paid that much or close to that much to get the car itself.
And you don't really NEEED coilovers and $800 nismo LSD to have fun. (I'm still trying to set aside $900 when i get employed for a nismo LSD for when my VLSD starts to wear out anyways...)
VLSD works fine, but doesn't engage lock-up as good as mechanical types for drifting... :*(
If I was getting springs right now, I would save a little money by buying Tein S-TECH for less than other spring sets, and use the money for better shocks.Shocks are more important.
Good luck
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Re: (Slappy)
download an FSM.. get a $200 toolset (if you don't have one. metric please). that's all you need.Slappy wrote: i don't have the $$ for one or know how to mateinence the damn thing, install etc. plus i can't afford to pay a shop to install it.
you don't have the confidence, and i don't either for that matter. I am not confident in anything I do with my car, but I still try and complete the work, and it makes me feel more confident if i am actually getting something done. it's always like that.
like, i was waaaaaaaaay worried about doing a VLSD change over... it was not so difficult to do procedure-wise.i mean, it would have taken less time if i had the correct jack (biggger jack to lower the differential. i had to use rope to lower my differential), but i still got it done.
Youll also need a vice to work on your stock open differential if you were to open it up and pull the gear out and all that.
And i understand that $900 is alot to drop... I'm not saying you should get it right away.you might get it later on, in a year or so.. you may change your mind.
you might also get lucky and find a VLSD locally and pick it up for $200. that's a great option as well (way cheaper too i might add)..
The $200 you spent for a toolset will pay off... it will enable you to do pretty much most of what you can do with a car. gives you some more confidence as well lol, because you will be prepared(i don't have that much confidence, because I have a basic $20 socket set, and basic 11-pc wrench set. :-/ Not enough sockets [just one length], and not enough extensions.. )Torque wrench too! get that.
Also.... the LSD's don't need any maintenance really. You just have to use the special gear oil, break it in properly, and you are set.(you may want to change the bearings, races, oil seals, and DEFINITELY the rear cover gasket, but you don't have to change all this)..
Re: (Slappy)
working on cars is way easy dont be afraid cars are way easy to figure out. your area maybe full of hill billies but so is mine buy a craftsmen tool set like one for 50 bucks and it will be all you need. well except a jack and a breaker bar.
as for parts I say get an LSD over coilovers or springs. since you are poor get a phantom grip just dont tell anyone or we'll have to make fun of you. in my opinion and lsd is more important than a lowered stance. but get some springs soon. the phantom grip is not that bad for the money. you can get a basic tein coil over or even some basic springs and a phantom grip for under 1 G. sounds like a lot of cash but it will make a phenominal difference. you will be very surprised at how much an lsd will do for you. a phantom grip is one of those things that is better than nothing but a real two way LSD is the way to go. As for springs take your pick there are tons and there are many cost effective solutions. i guess if your real cheap/poor you could weld your dif and cut your springs but those are not the best things to do.
Modified by OHH at 11:05 PM 1/8/2005
as for parts I say get an LSD over coilovers or springs. since you are poor get a phantom grip just dont tell anyone or we'll have to make fun of you. in my opinion and lsd is more important than a lowered stance. but get some springs soon. the phantom grip is not that bad for the money. you can get a basic tein coil over or even some basic springs and a phantom grip for under 1 G. sounds like a lot of cash but it will make a phenominal difference. you will be very surprised at how much an lsd will do for you. a phantom grip is one of those things that is better than nothing but a real two way LSD is the way to go. As for springs take your pick there are tons and there are many cost effective solutions. i guess if your real cheap/poor you could weld your dif and cut your springs but those are not the best things to do.
Modified by OHH at 11:05 PM 1/8/2005
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Re: (Slappy)
well then you have a better toolset than me lol..i have just a basic socket set and basic wrench set, and my dad has a lot of wiring equipment...
sure i don't mind making money installing **** lol, well it won't be much money, but at least i'll get to travel and get more experience (and maybe you could show me your drift technique! hah)
well i honestly haven't ever done a suspension install, but it seems very easy. there's only 4 bolts to take off to get each strut off, and i have used a spring compressor in class before.
i'd still help you out though, there's plenty of articles, i have an FSM, and it's not that hard to get things done (just takes time).
If you ever get a VLSD, i can definitely help you install that (those are easy). Or even this phantom grip disc type LSD.. but i haven't ever taken apart my diff (except for rear gasket cover)..well, might as well start messing around with the open diff i have sitting around. ill replace the oil seals on those for the next buyer hah!
again good luck
sure i don't mind making money installing **** lol, well it won't be much money, but at least i'll get to travel and get more experience (and maybe you could show me your drift technique! hah)
well i honestly haven't ever done a suspension install, but it seems very easy. there's only 4 bolts to take off to get each strut off, and i have used a spring compressor in class before.
i'd still help you out though, there's plenty of articles, i have an FSM, and it's not that hard to get things done (just takes time).
If you ever get a VLSD, i can definitely help you install that (those are easy). Or even this phantom grip disc type LSD.. but i haven't ever taken apart my diff (except for rear gasket cover)..well, might as well start messing around with the open diff i have sitting around. ill replace the oil seals on those for the next buyer hah!
again good luck