Poor Chris

[telcoman]

Typical rich republican putting his foot in his mouth

Screw everyone else

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/ ... hool_.html

I'm sure he wants his taxes cut too.

He is not paying enough if he can afford to send his kids to private school

Telcoman

[AZhitman]

He is not paying enough if he can afford to send his kids to private school

What if my kids go to a private school? You have a problem with that?

Democrats send their offspring to private schools.

Television has made you retarded.

[bigbadberry3]

Maybe he just doesn't want to have any more family related matters in the news? I mean he had the helicopter issue but that was related to misusing state vehicles more indirectly related to his family than a direct family matter.

[Cold_Zero]

Howie, I send my child to private school. Do you have a problem with that? Am I paying enough? I pay my taxes, dont ask for a voucher and send my kid to private school because my wife and I see the value of sending our child to a religious school.

But can I ask? Why dont you remove the plank in your own eye before you try to remove the speck from the Governor's eye? Where did the Obama's send their girls while living in Chicago? Chicago Public Schools? Nope. They went to a private school. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University ... ry_Schools

[Cold_Zero]

Maybe he just doesn't want to have any more family related matters in the news? I mean he had the helicopter issue but that was related to misusing state vehicles more indirectly related to his family than a direct family matter.

Thankfully, the media, politicians and the pundits have left the Obama girls alone. Maybe we should leave the Christie kids alone. The dude is Irish and Sicilian (Roman Catholic), my bet is they probably go to a Roman Catholic school.

[srellim234]

I think telco is upset because the governor is cutting public school funding to those who can't afford the luxury the governor has of sending his kids to private school. Telco's argument would carry a lot more validity if he presented some facts to back his case. How efficiently does the private school run per student compared to the public schools? How much waste is in the public schools and could areas be cut that wouldn't hurt the students and quality of education?

Here in California, for example, administrators continue to command large salaries while teachers get cut and class sizes grow. In Texas, one high school is cutting teachers and staff while breaking ground on a new $15 million football stadium. Any time a budget is cut the administration cuts everyone else in areas where they get the most media coverage and public sympathy. They do so in order to intimidate political leaders to restore the money.

An administrator making $250k a year is going to cut 3 teachers before he puts himself out of work.

[Cold_Zero]

That is not just happening in California. Indiana has a lot of that as well.

One thing about the funding, that you mention. While every state is different in respect to how they fund their educational spending, you have to look really close at the laws which govern how school districts can spend certain funds. In Indiana, school districts can not use the bonds that are used for capital improvements on their budgets. So while a school district may be cutting teachers, they still can be building a new building or yes a football stadium with little affect on the community or educational spending.

[AZhitman]

Here's the deal - When it comes to my kids, I don't give a DAMN about anyone else's. I'm going to look out for THEIR best interests, and make sure THEY get the best education I can offer them.

I'm not some delusional pantywaist worrying about "fairness". I pay my share, and until you're prepared to give up more of YOUR hard-earned loot, then quit demanding the same of others.

The whole faux "Robin Hood" charade is pathetic.

[Cold_Zero]

I am not ashamed for sending my kid to a private school.

[AZhitman]

Nor should you be.

It's all party-line blather, as usual - I don't see any lip about the Obama kids' schooling.

[srellim234]

Wrong correlation, AZ. Obama is not out there proposing sweeping cuts to public school financing in lieu of other areas that could be cut. If public schools were federal you might have a point.

In this case telco should also be railing against Democrat Jerry Brown's proposed spending cuts in California.

[telcoman]

Howie, I send my child to private school. Do you have a problem with that? Am I paying enough? I pay my taxes, dont ask for a voucher and send my kid to private school because my wife and I see the value of sending our child to a religious school.

But can I ask? Why dont you remove the plank in your own eye before you try to remove the speck from the Governor's eye? Where did the Obama's send their girls while living in Chicago? Chicago Public Schools? Nope. They went to a private school. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University ... ry_Schools

Good for you

You are not a governor out to destroy public school education

[telcoman]

I think telco is upset because the governor is cutting public school funding to those who can't afford the luxury the governor has of sending his kids to private school. Telco's argument would carry a lot more validity if he presented some facts to back his case. How efficiently does the private school run per student compared to the public schools? How much waste is in the public schools and could areas be cut that wouldn't hurt the students and quality of education?

Here in California, for example, administrators continue to command large salaries while teachers get cut and class sizes grow. In Texas, one high school is cutting teachers and staff while breaking ground on a new $15 million football stadium. Any time a budget is cut the administration cuts everyone else in areas where they get the most media coverage and public sympathy. They do so in order to intimidate political leaders to restore the money.

An administrator making $250k a year is going to cut 3 teachers before he puts himself out of work.

Exactly

We have quite a few administrators here in NJ earning over $250k

The governor needs to start at the top and not at the bottom.
All the republicans want to do is attempt to balance budgets that they screwed up placing the blame on lower paid staff workers.

Telcoman

[R/T Hemi]

He is not paying enough if he can afford to send his kids to private school

What if my kids go to a private school? You have a problem with that?

Democrats send their offspring to private schools.

Television has made you retarded.

I love how telco gets your goat every damn time he posts.

[srellim234]

Telco, you're still not answering specifics. You can't just say, "Cut all the administrators" as a solution any more than the Republicans can say, "Cut all the teachers and staff." That brings you down to their level.

I would propose that a start is to systematically review each administrative position and see what can be consolidated. Heck, even principal used to be a part time job with the rest of the time spent in the classroom. Many administrative salaries could be cut 10 - 25% with no problem. Any fallout of people quitting at that level can very easily be filled by the number of upper and middle management private sector unemployed.

Looking at individual programs is necessary and adjustments need to be made to control costs or improve effectiveness. I see first hand here how ineffective the breakfast for kids in need program is. With no mandatory attendance procedure in place the schools never know how much food to make. As much as 25% of the food goes straight in the trash can that was intended for kids who didn't get there in time to eat it and parents didn't make them get there. Those parents want the program but they're not willing to do their part to see that their kids use it every day.

Telco, you aren't offering specifics. Only railing in generalities against Republicans. That makes you as bad as a Republican by not offering any actual plan to solve this nation's financial crises.

[HashiriyaS14]

I don't see any lip about the Obama kids' schooling.

There was definitely some static about it here in DC when it got out that they were going to Sibley instead of public, but DC public schools are atrocious so I'm not sure what anyone expected.

Anyway, with Christie, the only reason this is an issue is because he's railing against public school spending. He's trying to eviscerate something that won't effect his own children, which comes off as hypocritical.

Nothing wrong with people sending their kids to private school in general, I went for 10 years.

[telcoman]

Telco, you're still not answering specifics. You can't just say, "Cut all the administrators" as a solution any more than the Republicans can say, "Cut all the teachers and staff." That brings you down to their level.

I don't think I'll ever be that low.

I would propose that a start is to systematically review each administrative position and see what can be consolidated. Heck, even principal used to be a part time job with the rest of the time spent in the classroom. Many administrative salaries could be cut 10 - 25% with no problem. Any fallout of people quitting at that level can very easily be filled by the number of upper and middle management private sector unemployed.

Nothing anyone says here is ever going to make a difference.

A possible solution would be painful that the GOP would never accept. We have 21 countys here in NJ with over 500 individual municipalities. A overpaid school superintendant is not needed for everyone of them. Perhaps one for each county?
Same goes for police, fire, sewers, and all the other municipal services
Home rule is never going to fly until the states are so broke that would be the only solution. Some states are selling toll roads to raise money but huge sums of taxpayer money end up going to profit making large corporations

I do see a small difference after Obama was elected but look at the type of people he is up against. Some of them even post on this forum.

Christys numbers have been heading south he could very well end up a one term governor

What have those who were elected in 2010 accomplished thus far. Besides taking weeks of time off they are concentrating on abortion, cutting funding for needed programs, and proposing more tax cuts for the rich. Nothing about jobs. Their solution for fixing medicare is to get rid of it

[Cold_Zero]

I don't see any lip about the Obama kids' schooling.

There was definitely some static about it here in DC when it got out that they were going to Sibley instead of public, but DC public schools are atrocious so I'm not sure what anyone expected.

DC schools would also be a security threat I am sure. I think Greg was speaking of the girls not going to CPS, when he lived in Chicago.

[AZhitman]

I love how telco gets your goat every damn time he posts.

He couldn't get my goat on his best day. I can respond to him while doing 4 other, more important, things.

[AZhitman]

I don't think I'll ever be that low.

...still unable to respond with specifics...

We have 21 countys here in NJ with over 500 individual municipalities.

Maybe a little pissant state like NJ shouldn't have 21 counties. That's silly.

Interestingly, toll roads haven't helped NJ. There's not a single toll road in AZ, and our streets and freeways are pristine.

...huge sums of taxpayer money end up going to profit making large corporations

Citation? Evidence? Or more unfounded partisan ranting?

Obama's numbers have been heading south he could very well end up a one term president

You misspelled Obama and president. I fixed 'em for ya.

What have those who were elected in 2008 accomplished thus far.

Good question...

Besides 72 rounds of golf, they are concentrating on giving away free money to lazy bums (a.k.a. voters), not holding people accountable for draining social services, ignoring border security, starting more unfunded wars, and pissing money away.

Fixed that one for you too... wait, there's one more...

Nothing about jobs. Their solution for fixing medicare is to circumvent people's rights and force them to purchase insurance...

<whew> Didn't think I'd ever finish fixing all your typos.

[telcoman]

What would we do without Greg the great