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What did I break

Am I retarded and forgot to add oil?
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Broken Ring Land?
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Bad Oil Pump?
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Spun Bearings?
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trackslut240
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The Setup:
150000 miles ka(got free from a memeber three years ago), replaced headgasket, reringed(ghetto way: just clean carbon take out old rings and put in new rings. clocked them according to FSM). New headgasket oem, arp head studs, new front main oil seal, guides and timing chain was fine(another place i cheaped out :nono: ). All was cleaned up and put back according to FSM, eyeballed main bearings and were retorqued. I know I know i know, i should have replaced the timing chain oil pump tensioner, but i didnt so blast away.

The turbo is t25, full face front mount, z32 maf, apexi air filter, hks ssqv, koyo radiator and FAL fan setup. NRG adjustable FPR set at 35 psi i think, but was stock settings according to FSM, was done when i assembled everything together. Running 610cc injectors from a scooby, side feed, rom tune. Daughter board setup from emance(i know you guys dont like him, so please no comments about the tune sucks or hes a .....blah blah blah). the first tune he sent was on the richer side, so he sent me a retune after about three months, his mailing setup is not the best out there, Agreed.

Have been driving this first tune setup for a bout six, eight months, put prolly 8000 miles on it, no problems. Oil was synthetic valvoline 10w-30, filter was fram tg(my doubts go there too). have used mobil1, stp and what not. Boost is max t25 8 full psi...nice... :naughty: Installed the retuned chip in earlier this month, kept an eye on wideband and was not going leaner than 15 on cruising, on boost drops down to 11~11.5. Fuel mpgs were about 23mpg for three tankfuls. Never let the temps go above 210F, have to turn on fans manually, no controller.
Sorry for the lengthy history, now comes the issues part.

Last night, while coming back from work, all highway about 32 miles to home. Started off, warmed up for 5 minutes, temps hit about 160F, drove out from parking lot, onto local streets. Didnt go into boost, maybe 2psi at most, got on the highway and started boosting, went about 3 to four miles. Was in fifth gear and doing about 70, started going into boost and went to about 90. then started to coast down to 65mph, had a pop from the exhaust on throttle tip in. Then noticed that i wasnt building speed any more, turbo was coming on instantly, but the car felt as if it was towing a semi. WTF? this is about 8 miles from work, dont have money to tow, so pulled over and saw oil on the valve cover. Oil pressure went down to 15 to 10 psi, oh oh... seems to me that the oil has either disappeared or oil pump is toast. Seems to be coming from the valve cover breather filter, i have noticed blowby on startups but never did anything about it nor did i check it again. started to drive it at 45 to 55, and costing mostly for another 10-15 miles, but after that it was getting worse so i pulled over to the side, checked oil and there was none. Called my brother, poured in oil but the battery was dead coz of the lights and hazard running, tried to jump it, motor was turning very slow. Said screw it, called the tow truck parked it home and went to work next day in the Audi(96 A6)(this car has issues of its own but thats another story.

Questions:
Where did the oil disappear?? Car does not smoke, only driver does.
Did i bust the ring lands? the missing burbling popping while driving tells me that.
Did the oil pump take a dump? no oil pressure... filter blocked.
None of the oil fittings, turbo feed , return line have any leaks on them.
Spun bearing? would that cause a no oil pressure scenario.

All inputs welcome, come in, let the smackdown begin!! :inout:
(how do i put that poll thingy mods?)
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Don't take this the wrong way, but no oil is going to give you no oil pressure...lol. What do you mean by you noticed some blowby on start up?

All of your problems probably stem from not having enough oil in the motor.

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boy am i glad to see you WD and thanks for adding the poll, esp :Am I retarded and forgot to add oil? : lol.... oh BTW you spelt retarded wrong...its rehtardeded...

It is true that i didnt check oil for some time, maybe 2000 miles ago was the last i checked. but on the way to work the gauge was running perfect, showing the usual 50 psi at about 3000rpm. When i start the car up, now even this was about a couple of months ago, i would notice smoke coming from the valve cover breather. The breather filter is oily, and it would smoke for about five ten minutes, once the car is warmed up, no more smoke from the breather. So why would i see a bunch of oil on valve cover coming from the breather. I couldnt have burned up all the 4.5qts in 2000 miles right?? the last few oil changes didnt loose even a half a quart of oil, so retardedly i assumed that its not burning oil. i never saw smoke from the tailpipe, my brother drove behind me a month ago and i was mad boosting..( lol... yeah as if mad boosting happens at 8 psi(pun intended)) he said he could not see any smoke.
What are the symptoms of a dead oil pump? I do notice oil around the dampener pulley, cant tell if it streamed down from the valve cover or elsewhere. theres oil on the belts too..
Should i invest in an oil pump rebuild? saw the one from AMS, money is tight(thats the story of my life). I might just wait till i move to a new place with a garage then tear into it.

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number 4 plug covered in oil, possibly ring land failure on number 4. I am tired of number 4, i should just run it on 3 cylinders, it will sound cool too... :bs: . number 1,2 plugs are fine, too lazy to remove strut bar to check number 3. :slap: Next: check compression.

Theory: ran lean in 5th gear, maybe bad gas, detonated number four, hence the burbling, blowby and turbo created pressure in crankcase and spew all (was prolly low from before)oil out of valve cover breather...

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trackslut240 wrote:Theory: ran lean in 5th gear, maybe bad gas, detonated number four, hence the burbling, blowby and turbo created pressure in crankcase and spew all (was prolly low from before)oil out of valve cover breather...
Sounds about right to me. Prob, some kinda piston failure (rings or ringlands) especially if you ran lean.

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Don't take this the wrong way either but not checking the oil for 2000 miles is not your problem. Your problem is that on a turbo car you should CHANGE the oil by 2000 miles. :nono:

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ss82480 wrote:Don't take this the wrong way either but not checking the oil for 2000 miles is not your problem. Your problem is that on a turbo car you should CHANGE the oil by 2000 miles. :nono:
i took it for granted that an older engine with turbo will start drinking oil after two oil changes, i change the first time after 3000, then again at 3000, both times 4 went in 4 came out. your right, i should have changed or at the least check at 2000 miles.
SxMachine wrote: Sounds about right to me. Prob, some kinda piston failure (rings or ringlands) especially if you ran lean.
has to be that only, will do compression check and report, thanks guys.

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Just saying... if you busted a ring land and blew through 4qts of oil in 8 miles, you would have noticed some smoke in the review... like, a lot. I've made the mistake a million times of looking for some unlikely problem when 9 times out of 10 its the simplest thing that could have gone wrong. Are you absolutely sure it didn't leak?

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SX APPEAL wrote:Just saying... if you busted a ring land and blew through 4qts of oil in 8 miles, you would have noticed some smoke in the review... like, a lot. I've made the mistake a million times of looking for some unlikely problem when 9 times out of 10 its the simplest thing that could have gone wrong. Are you absolutely sure it didn't leak?
Exactly, even a slight leak is gonna smoke big time. You have to abuse your motor in order to lose 4 quarts of oil :tisk:

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just a minor update, it has to be the ringland. oil pressure is back up to 55 on idle. changed the number four plug, black and oil drenched. started up with the typical busted ring land burble. oil pressure was not falling down or bouncy, looked like normal.
so the spun bearing is ruled out for now, till i crack the motor open. since i was hell bent on destroying this motor, i started it and drove it, had to move it out of the place i was living at. disconnected the wastegate, it was missing bad on throttle and hardly had any power, just enough to move out on its own. drove a block, it seized up, at least what felt like seizing. pulled over, tried starting, slow cranks first then fires up, drove another block, it shut off. enough destruction for the day. took out the tow strap, hooked it up to the pathfinder and told my brother to tow it to the new place. it was another 18 miles, going two blocks every 15 mins wouldnt have made it. came to the new home, unhooked started it up to drive up the slightly inclined driveway into the garage. i was lazy and tired of moving everything so didnt feel like pushing.

THEORY:
leaned out and busted the ringland, boost pressurized the whole crankcase, spilling oil out of the valve cover breather, front main seal, possibly rear main seal. maybe i had lower oil at the time of the fiasco. more destruction later.

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PyR0NiAk wrote::slap:
i know, i know... should have kept the slightly rich tune... :ohsnap


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