Poll, Is Global Warming real?

[dusred]

I think the recent acceleration of global warmings has been caused by two words....

TACO BELL.

As more Taco Bell franchises have been opening, Global Warming has been getting worse. I think there is a direct relationship between the two. For example, Every time I've had a meal there, I end up having to take the most stinky gassy power dumps. We're talking major methane emissions here, And methane is a component of global warming. I also end up having to courtesy flush at least a few times, drawing more fresh water resources than what has been generated from the north. Then there's in the increased use of toilet paper, which is ultimately made from trees, which would other have otherwise been left standing to absorb the what is now increasing levels of CO2. Multiply this by the expanding number of Taco Bell customers that have similar after effects as me, and there's a contributor to global warming.

Thoughts?

Holy crap that was funny. Bubba1 is Al Gor in disguise.

[audtatious]

What's the cold spell you are talking about? Was it posted earlier in this thread? I didn't read it all.

You should read the thread as there is some great information and we don't want to have to go over the same points

[barrigas14]

You should read the thread as there is some great information and we don't want to have to go over the same points

Read some of it. Still a little iffy. So in 1 year the temp drops...so what about all the other years? What if it spikes up next year warming wise?

Also, scientists have said that if the gulf stream is effected it could cause cooling effects.

http://www.dinosauria.com/jdp/news/freeze.html

I am still wondering how, with the global cooling we've seen, that glaciers all over the world continue to melt away. Even the poles, but not in the % they thought they would, melted again.

I am saying until there is years of cooling trends you can't say that global cooling is now in effect. It's like in Az. We have drought and when it rains allot everyone thinks we are out of the drought, but we aren't.

[96Qowner]

The earth has been cooling for ten years now.

The official thermometers at the U.S. National Climate Data Center show a slight global cooling trend over the last seven years, from 1998 to 2005.

Actually, global warming is likely to continue—but the interruption of the recent strong warming trend sharply undercuts the argument that our global warming is an urgent, man-made emergency. The seven-year decline makes our warming look much more like the moderate, erratic warming to be expected when the planet naturally shifts from a Little Ice Age (1300–1850 AD) to a centuries-long warm phase like the Medieval Warming (950–1300 AD) or the Roman Warming (200 BC– 600 AD).

The stutter in the temperature rise should rein in some of the more apoplectic cries of panic over man-made greenhouse emissions. The strong 28-year upward trend of 1970–1998 has apparently ended.

Fred Singer, a well-known skeptic on man-made warming, points out that the latest cooling trend is dictated primarily by a very warm El Nino year in 1998. “When you start your graph with 1998,” he says, “you will necessarily get a cooling trend.”

Bob Carter, a paleoclimatologist from Australia, notes that the earth also had strong global warming between 1918 and 1940. Then there was a long cooling period from 1940 to 1965. He points out that the current warming started 50 years before cars and industries began spewing consequential amounts of CO2. Then the planet cooled for 35 years just after the CO2 levels really began to surge. In fact, says Carter, there doesn’t seem to be much correlation between temperatures and man-made CO2.

http://www.freerepublic.com/fo...posts

Until 1970, we were facing the disaster of a new global Ice Age.

http://scienceblogs.com/illcon...s.php

[barrigas14]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/re...5.htm

http://www.worldviewofglobalwa....html

http://weather.about.com/od/im....--5K/

http://environment.about.com/b...g.htm

http://chriscolose.wordpress.c...raphs/

It's great we can throw up links back and forth disproving each other.

The main questions I have, if global warming isn't the cause of glaciers and ice caps to melt, what is?

If the cooling you stated is what has/is happening over the past 10 years, why have these areas, which are effected by cooling/heating trends disappeared rapidly over the past 100years or less?

It doesn't make sense. If we are cooling down, then the physical evidence would be that the glaciers/ice caps would have stabilized or regained their size, but that isn't the case.

[mtcookson]

It was mentioned, I think in this thread, that one potential cause of the glaciers melting is due to soot covering them which causes them to absorb the sun's heat causing them to melt.

I'm pretty sure it was also posted in here that there are other areas where the glaciers are increasing in size though.

[96Qowner]

It's great we can throw up links back and forth disproving each other.

The main questions I have, if global warming isn't the cause of glaciers and ice caps to melt, what is?

If the cooling you stated is what has/is happening over the past 10 years, why have these areas, which are effected by cooling/heating trends disappeared rapidly over the past 100years or less?

It doesn't make sense. If we are cooling down, then the physical evidence would be that the glaciers/ice caps would have stabilized or regained their size, but that isn't the case.

Those links don't disprove anything. They don't have an iota of data about global temperatures - they merely talk about the melting ice. The earth was warming - now it's cooling. Before it started to warm in the 70s, it was cooling. Before that, it was warming.

The ice is melting because the earth was warming. If it keeps cooling, the ice will refreeze.

More about the impending global Ice Age from the 70s.

Time Magazine, 1974: http://www.time.com/time/magaz....html

Newsweek Magazine, 1975: http://sweetness-light.com/arc...e-age

Some scientists think the recent global warming will produce a new Ice Age: http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=2798

Snow cover over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China is greater than at any time since 1966.

The U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reported that many American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January and early February. According to the NCDC, the average temperature in January "was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average."

China is surviving its most brutal winter in a century. Temperatures in the normally balmy south were so low for so long that some middle-sized cities went days and even weeks without electricity because once power lines had toppled it was too cold or too icy to repair them.

There have been so many snow and ice storms in Ontario and Quebec in the past two months that the real estate market has felt the pinch as home buyers have stayed home rather than venturing out looking for new houses.

In just the first two weeks of February, Toronto received 70 cm of snow, smashing the record of 66.6 cm for the entire month set back in the pre-SUV, pre-Kyoto, pre-carbon footprint days of 1950.

http://www.nationalpost.com/op...32289

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Benjamin Disraeli.

[audtatious]

Read some of it. Still a little iffy. So in 1 year the temp drops...so what about all the other years? What if it spikes up next year warming wise?

Also, scientists have said that if the gulf stream is effected it could cause cooling effects.

http://www.dinosauria.com/jdp/news/freeze.html

I am still wondering how, with the global cooling we've seen, that glaciers all over the world continue to melt away. Even the poles, but not in the % they thought they would, melted again.

I am saying until there is years of cooling trends you can't say that global cooling is now in effect. It's like in Az. We have drought and when it rains allot everyone thinks we are out of the drought, but we aren't.

Have you really paid attention to what Global Warming causes? It causes drought, it causes excess rain, it causes tornado's, it causes hurricanes, it causes lack of tornado's and hurricanes, it causes ice to melt and ice to form, it causes lower temps and higher temps, it causes the seas to heat up and it causes them to cool down, etc...etc...etc...

The environmentalists have every base covered by some scientist that will explain everything.

I do find it interesting that the scientists with the computer models, which helped show the IPCC hockeystick chart, have not taken their models and only plugged numbers into it up until the 1980's to prove how correct they are in predicting what the next 28 years would show and then compare that to what the weather and temps really did. They probably have tested that but won't show their output because it would be wrong.

[audtatious]

It's great we can throw up links back and forth disproving each other.

The main questions I have, if global warming isn't the cause of glaciers and ice caps to melt, what is?

If the cooling you stated is what has/is happening over the past 10 years, why have these areas, which are effected by cooling/heating trends disappeared rapidly over the past 100years or less?

It doesn't make sense. If we are cooling down, then the physical evidence would be that the glaciers/ice caps would have stabilized or regained their size, but that isn't the case.

I don't have a problem with Global Warming. I do have a problem with the knee-jerk reactions of those who are trying to prove that global warming is man made and that we must revert back to a pre-industrialized lifestyle to "fix the planet".

The IPCC and others state that "all scientists agree" and that is absolutely stupid and proven incorrect. IPCC charts have been proven incorrect. Trending and computer models have been proven incorrect. Those who support the theory are all "doom and gloom" chicken little's who are either environmentalists, funded for their research with expectations or people like Gore who expect to make a mint in Cap and Trade initiatives.

[audtatious]

It was mentioned, I think in this thread, that one potential cause of the glaciers melting is due to soot covering them which causes them to absorb the sun's heat causing them to melt.

I'm pretty sure it was also posted in here that there are other areas where the glaciers are increasing in size though.

Yes, this information is posted in the thread somewhere as I put it there

[marlin29311]

It was mentioned, I think in this thread, that one potential cause of the glaciers melting is due to soot covering them which causes them to absorb the sun's heat causing them to melt.

I'm pretty sure it was also posted in here that there are other areas where the glaciers are increasing in size though.

The ice comes and goes - it's natural for the earth to do. A while ago in Greenland, where some of the ice had melted, scientists and archiologists found remains of old towns and structures burried below the ice, indicating that at some point during recent man-history there was life existing there. Obviously they didn't dig under the ice to live there, indicating that the ice wasn't there when they were. This just goes to show that the ice grows and contracts based on earth climactic shifts - obviously it was warm hundreds of years ago...

[barrigas14]

Interesting reads there...damnit now I am behind at work.

But I am still holding out until I see some change in physical conditions. Because though you have shown evidence against, there could be more evidence for that contradicts what was previously found.

In reality we don't know what is going to happen. During the 60-70's China and India both were not as mobile as they are now and their consumption was not as high as it is now. Also the destruction of wilderness was not as high as it is now. Will this have no effect or will it have effect? Considering that many of these things have accelerated in the last 20 years...I guess we'll have to wait.

Also I never stated that the warming was based solely off of man made conditions, what I was stating is that we humans play/played some role in it.

And yes I know what global warming can do, and I have read instances of even local predictions that range from Az getting less rain (which is the general prediction) or Az getting more rain (which would be sweet).

I do find the "soot" theory interesting, but I have not seen the studies conducted at all major points across the world's glaciers. Unless they did, then I missed it do to fast reading.

Also doing a quick search, I thought there had been some sea level rise. Some of the research states they are unsure if it is solely on glacier melt or thermal increase...which logically could be a combination of both.

Again I am holding out on the global cooling and leaning that we are still warming.

[audtatious]

http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tm....html

"Boston (MA) - Scientists at MIT have recorded a nearly simultaneous world-wide increase in methane levels. This is the first increase in ten years, and what baffles science is that this data contradicts theories stating man is the primary source of increase for this greenhouse gas. It takes about one full year for gases generated in the highly industrial northern hemisphere to cycle through and reach the southern hemisphere. However, since all worldwide levels rose simultaneously throughout the same year, it is now believed this may be part of a natural cycle in mother nature - and not the direct result of man's contributions."

Interesting

[audtatious]

The world has never seen such freezing heathttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/opi...0.xml

"A surreal scientific blunder last week raised a huge question mark about the temperature records that underpin the worldwide alarm over global warming. On Monday, Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which is run by Al Gore's chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, and is one of four bodies responsible for monitoring global temperatures, announced that last month was the hottest October on record."

"Yet last week's latest episode is far from the first time Dr Hansen's methodology has been called in question. In 2007 he was forced by Mr Watts and Mr McIntyre to revise his published figures for US surface temperatures, to show that the hottest decade of the 20th century was not the 1990s, as he had claimed, but the 1930s."

[audtatious]

Global Cooling through 2030

http://www.cdapress.com/articl...6.prt

Another article stating that global warming is over:http://www.globalresearch.ca/i...10783



Note: It has recently been shown that the Greenland core samples and such do not represent CO2 correctly as the more it is compressed with time, the least amount of CO2 is present in the ice. If true, then CO2 in charts showing the past are lower than they really were.