Police admit they're 'stumped' by mystery car thefts

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I guess this is what happens when there is too much technology in cars. It was only a matter of time.

What do you think this is?

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There's a new wave of auto thefts that police can't figure out. So could you be at risk? TODAY National Investigative Correspondent Jeff Rossen looked into it.

This is a real mystery. You think when you lock your car and set the alarm, your car is pretty safe. But criminals have designed a new high-tech gadget giving them full access to your car. It's so easy, it's like the criminals have your actual door remote. Police are so baffled they want to see if you can help crack the case.

A Long Beach, Calif., surveillance video shows a thief approaching a locked SUV in a driveway. Police say he's carrying a small device in the palm of his hand. You can barely see it, but he aims it at the car and pops the locks electronically. He's in, with access to everything. No commotion at all.

Then his accomplice shows up and hits another car, using that same handheld device.

Long Beach Deputy Police Chief David Hendricks is mystified. "This is bad in the sense we're stumped," he told us. "We are stumped and we don't know what this technology is."

He said it's almost like the thieves are cloning your car remote, which is virtually impossible to do. Here's why: On most cars, when you hit the unlock button, it sends a code to the car. That code is encrypted and constantly changing — and should be hackproof.

Jim Stickley is one of the country's leading security experts. He's watched the tapes, and he's stumped too.

"This is really frustrating because clearly they've figured out something that looks really simple and whatever it is they're doing, it takes just seconds to do," Stickley said. "And you look and you go, 'That should not be possible.'"

It's happening from California to Illinois. Michael Shin's home security camera caught a crook breaking into his Honda Accord using a similar device. But you'd never know it. On the video, the crook looks like the owner of the car, unlocking the doors remotely. The thief stole cash and an expensive cell phone.

"I felt pretty unsafe," Shin said. "It was shocking. It just opens magically without him having to do anything."

Adding to the mystery, police say the device works on some cars but not others. Other surveillance videos show thieves trying to open a Ford SUV and a Cadillac, with no luck. But an Acura SUV and sedan pop right open. And they always seem to strike on the passenger side. Investigators don't know why.

"We've reached out to the car manufacturers, the manufacturers of the vehicle alarm systems: Nobody seems to know what this technology is," Hendricks told us. "When you look at the video and you see how easy it is, it's pretty unnerving."

This is so new, police don't know how widespread it is. But no question, they're desperate to track down one of these devices so they can see how it works.

Until then, here's the takeaway: Police say, don't leave anything valuable in your car, even if it's parked in your own driveway. That includes your garage door opener, because if the thieves get that, they're suddenly in your house. Also, keep your car registration in your wallet; don't leave it in the glove compartment. Police say with that information, criminals can steal your identity.

But right now, the priority for police is finding this device so they can figure out what it is. If you have any information that could help, we want to hear from you.


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I imagine they go in through the passenger side so their prints are mixed up with those of other passengers, less identifiable.

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Mopar EVTS is $600 and works without a subscription. My Jag has it, when I turn it off it transmits its location then if it moves a foot without the smart key it reports itself stolen. I also have it set up to text me if it goes fast then 150mph. It was set for 120mph but I kept getting texts :confused:

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Hmm interesting. If anyone hears of an update to this post it up.

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It could be simply that those owners had more than x amount of keys registered to the radio unit in the car and didn't know it. Also:
He said it's almost like the thieves are cloning your car remote, which is virtually impossible to do.
Virtually impossible. Either way, it's an inside job.

Mystery solved, move along.

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How many codes does Honda use for the alarm? The device could just try every single code until one works?

In 2003 we were at Jay Wolf Toyota (Jesda knows) trading in our 1999 Toyota Corolla for a 2003 Camry. They appraised our car at 3k and I knew it was worth 9k so I started arguing with them. They said your car is the base model and it has over 100k miles. I said no my car is the top model and it has 27k miles. It turned out that our Toyota Alarm and car key happened to also operate another Corolla we parked next to? The appraiser was able to test drive someone elses car using our keyfob and key.

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gwoods wrote: The appraiser was able to test drive someone elses car using our keyfob and key.
That's scary :ohno:

I discovered this issue with home locks a few years ago. We were replacing the exterior doors and locks on our home. The cashier that was ringing us up said, "would you like to have just one key for both doors?" We said yes. She told us to go back to the rack and pick two sets with the same model number. ALL THE KEYS MATCH. :wtf2:

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WOW now what number was that again ya know so I don't have to just buy one of every number? LOL

I figure if you get past my 130lb great dane and my alarm and security doors and camera's you can help yourself to my collection of the past 3 years limited edition polo shirts. I don't have any jewelery, booze or cash, my single TV is from 2006 and doesn't have a digital tuner and my 1 pistol is with me so when I come home and catch the theif I can exercise my rights then call the police.

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In college, I worked at a Blockbuster. One night, I'm looking out the window as a customer pulls up. He parks his red 1993 Toyota Corolla next to my red 1997 Toyota Corolla. He gets out, comes to the store, rents a movie, and walks back out to my car. I watch on, bemused, and then concerned as his key unlocks my door. He gets in, realizes it's not his car, and walks out.

Lucky for me I had needed to replace the ignition about a month before and was walking around with two keys to operate my car, or else I might not have seen it again.

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Dattebayo wrote:It could be simply that those owners had more than x amount of keys registered to the radio unit in the car and didn't know it. Also:
He said it's almost like the thieves are cloning your car remote, which is virtually impossible to do.
Virtually impossible. Either way, it's an inside job.

Mystery solved, move along.
That is what I was thinking an inside job. Just like a movie; guy at dealership gambles and owes lots of money says he can give them the codes to car keys.

We need more info, is this just happening in one town? The fact that they just do it on the passenger side means they know something about the car. I don't think it has anything to do with finger prints as they should be wearing gloves as someone suggested.
I don't care if the remotes use encryption, everything can and is cracked...

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Is there a fixed range of frequencies that these remotes operate on? If so, wouldn't it be possible to "listen" to these frequencies (ie parked in the vicinity while the owner of the vehicle uses the keyfob) and copy the signal? Also, what is the encrypted info that's being transmitted to the car? Is it the next code? If so, wouldn't an alarm manufacturer be using one algorithm to produce that encryption? Once you have the algorithm, you could easily de-crypt that code and have access.

The fact that they tried to hit 3 cars at the same address tells me that they felt that they had the codes for all of the vehicles at that address. I'll bet money that once they figure this out, they'll find that these guys are doing something along this line.

As others have stated, this is an inside job somehow. I'd be willing to bet these guys worked for an alarm manufacturing company and know exactly how these alarms worked and figured out how to circumvent them.

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This thing probably popped up from an electronics expert's desk. It shouldn't take much to program an item to copy a wirelessly transmitted RFID, and the encryption algorithm would just be a matter of educated trial and error. The thing sounds like a team of people who knew what they wanted to build put it together. I'm honestly surprised that it's taken this long for something like that to hit the mainstream radar. FFC regulations will require the transmitters to work in a specific spectrum band, and the RFID is just a simple matter of snatching it form the air with a receiver (the fobs are not directional, so you just need to be within range), and a electronic security expert would be able to piece together the encryption codes fairly quickly.

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/ga ... emote1.htm

6th paragraph on page one. Hacking rolling codes has gotten a little lower tech than that article makes it out to be. Blizzard Entertainment has been using rolling codes for encrypted protection for its user base for years, and it's based off of DoD level encryption, but they routinely get hacked past. I rarely leave valuables in a car, so unless some thief wants my proprietary radio from Nissan in the Pathy or my 10 year old Pioneer from the S13, by all means, go for it.

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Well that sucks and it looks like it works mostly on newer cars.
Funny thing. One day, I was walking to the college parking lot and saw my friends, 1997 Nissan Altima parked next to me, so I tough (Wonder if my key opens his car), so I proceed to try it and it unlocked the car, than after I put it in the ignition and turned it on, I was surprise. So I took advantage of the situation and moved his car across the campus. I waited till he got out of class and once he saw his car was gone, he freaked out and was almost going to call the police, but I could no longer hold it and laughed my a** out. He tried the same thing but, my ignition was different.

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Pento240sx wrote:Well that sucks and it looks like it works mostly on newer cars.
Funny thing. One day, I was walking to the college parking lot and saw my friends, 1997 Nissan Altima parked next to me, so I tough (Wonder if my key opens his car), so I proceed to try it and it unlocked the car, than after I put it in the ignition and turned it on, I was surprise. So I took advantage of the situation and moved his car across the campus. I waited till he got out of class and once he saw his car was gone, he freaked out and was almost going to call the police, but I could no longer hold it and laughed my a** out. He tried the same thing but, my ignition was different.
In med school my wife had a friend who liked to steal things. It was always little and funny but still annoying. One time after we had just been married he stole a bag of M&M's from our apartment. The next time he came over he left his keys on our couch I pointed to them and made call of duty signals to her to distract him while I moved his car. I actually put it in his apartment complex across the street but behind a dumpster. Then I came back and put his keys back on the couch where he had left them. When he went to leave we told him bye and walked him out. Watching him go crazy looking for his car was priceless! When we came back from our honeymoon my wedding band disappeared while he and a few others helped us move. Hes a surgeon in Florida now and I always imagine him stealing change from patients while they are in recovery.

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My first car was a Ford Tempo (terrible POS car). I came out of a K-Mart parking lot to get in my car. I walked up, unlocked the door, sat down, started it up, and went to put it in Reverse.... only to realize it was a manual....my car was an automatic....and my car wasn't filled with trash.....OH s*** THIS ISN'T MY CAR!!! My car was 2 cars down, but was blocked from my view by a large SUV.

I should have noticed something was off when it started right away. My car rarely started right up.

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float_6969 wrote:My first car was a Ford Tempo (terrible POS car)...I should have noticed something was off when it started right away. My car rarely started right up.
I had one of those. HATED it with every fiber of my being. I stopped washing it cause the clearcoat had flaked off years before I bought it and all it did was turn my towels pink (car was maroon). And there's something about Tempos and not wanting to start. Mine was a bad park/neutral safety switch and my mom's 86 was a bad ECM and fuel pump. We'll have to swap horror stories on maintenance one day. I think I spent more time trying to keep that car up and running in the three years I had it than I have in the 10 years I've had the 240.

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Considering that Wal Mart now has the ability to copy transponder keys, this doesn't surprise as much as it would a few years ago.

The key to narrowing this down is to know the make and model of the vehicles they're hitting. If they're all Nissans or they're all Fords and they're all late models, then it could be as simple as a dealer (or someone with dealer access) is making keys.

There are other techniques that would explain the device if it is random vehicles (but all vehicles that use transponder keys like Nissan's intellikey).

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Hijacker wrote:I had one of those. HATED it with every fiber of my being. I stopped washing it cause the clearcoat had flaked off years before I bought it and all it did was turn my towels pink (car was maroon). And there's something about Tempos and not wanting to start. Mine was a bad park/neutral safety switch and my mom's 86 was a bad ECM and fuel pump. We'll have to swap horror stories on maintenance one day. I think I spent more time trying to keep that car up and running in the three years I had it than I have in the 10 years I've had the 240.
LOL, sounds all too familiar. Mine had a bad ECM. I was a poor HS kid and I wasn't paying the hundreds of dollars for a new one and the junkyards were all cleaned out of them (I'm guessing it was a common problem). So Dad and I went to the Junkyard and found an older Tempo that was carburetted and swapped it over. That was the best that thing ever ran. It caught fire and burnt to the ground a couple of months later though....that was the 2nd time it caught fire.

We'll definitely have to swap "war" stories!

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With cars becoming such technological terrors now, it's not surprising that thieves have found ways to bypass the technology. So it probably makes sense to install a low tech, simple fuel cutoff switch. It won't stop thieves with flatbeds/towtrucks, but it should make it a bit more annoying to a thief trying to drive your car away.


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