Plasma Vs LCD

[Tim30250]

and any reason why "plasma may be obsolete pretty soon"? or is that just your guess?

I'm not a techie, so it would be just a guess for me, but I also think plasmas will be obsolete soon. Based on the fact that as flat panels are concerned, they came out first. It seems like the first technology to come out is generally the first to leave us...

Beta --> VHSVCR --> DVRLaserdisc --> DVDTransistor Radio --> Walkman --> Discman --> iPODRecord --> CassetteCassette --> CDCD --> digital downloadWord of mouth --> Newspaper --> Radio --> Evening TV news --> CNN --> InternetNES --> Super NES --> N64 --> WiiPlasma --> LCD/LED

Over and over it's proven, the earlier technology is invariably replaced by the newer. It's only a matter of time.

[tollboothwilley]

LCD (liquid crystal display) was out long before plasma. It was first implemented in laptop screens. It wasn't used in TV's because of the cost. Enter plasma, a cheaper option but still very clear picture. Because of its heat & power robbing it isn't laptop friendly.

[suby01]

lets

THANKs to everyone's responses helped a lot.

i know everybody is like wtf did he get already. i didnt reply because i was just sitting back and watching all the answers to my questions.

so here are my winner(s). yesss more than ONE tv.

http://www2.panasonic.com/cons...05702

1080p Full-HD Resolution Contrast Ratio: 30,000:1 Native; Infinite Black Panel Over 900 Lines of Moving Picture Resolution 600Hz Sub-field Drive VIERA Image Viewer™ VIERA Link™ 3 HDMI Inputs 100,000 Hour Panel Life

got that one first. this one went to the living room because of the likely hood of burn out in around whatever u want to call it went with the plasma. and this is only for TV/movies. so the plasma colors are really great. and for viewing angles also since it will be viewed from wide angles how my living room is set up. as well as the price i got it for was waaay below msrp.

now to by bedroom

went with the

http://www.vizio.com/flat-pane....html

Full HD 1080P 240Hz SPS* Smooth Motion Technology 50,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio

LCD for gaming on xbox also price was waay below MSRP. so

i hooked up the panasonic in my room to the xbox just to compare it and the stock picture settings werent really doing it for me. just too dark and i dont know not what i was looking for. but on the other hand DVDs and HD are so real life like crazy.

and the LCD with the stock settings for xbox is so clear and different colors show up so clear and move fast just what i wanted.

[Kendahl]

Quote »Beta --> VHS[/quote]It was more complicated than that. Beta provided a noticeably better picture than VHS. However, Sony refused to make high capacity tapes because they didn't think people would want them. Panasonic made 120s and 180s and took the market away from Sony. Eventually, VHS was improved enough that picture quality matched Beta. Game over.

Quote »Record --> Cassette --> CD[/quote]You forgot reel-to-reel tape. Actually, cassette is by far the poorest of these four media because of the slow transport speed. At the high end of audio ($20k and up for a system), records sound better than CD in some ways. New records are still being produced, but only for the high end market.

Quote »Word of mouth --> Newspaper --> Radio --> Evening TV news --> CNN --> Internet[/quote]With forums, instant messaging, etc., it's come full circle.

[jmcohen23]

nice selections.

burn-ins are no longer applicable to plasmas built nowadays, as they have improved the technology. the only concern is how long the brightness lasts (at 40hrs/week, it will be about 10 years). by then, there will be a cheaper and better product then.

so anyone who tells you they are prone to burn-ins are living in 2005 and probably still think that there home value will only increase over time.

LCD for gaming is better due to the smoothing, so not only did you make wise selections, you also placed them correctly.

[smockers83]

burn-ins are no longer applicable to plasmas built nowadays...

so anyone who tells you they are prone to burn-ins are living in 2005 and probably still think that there home value will only increase over time.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Did I say wrong?

Plasmas are still prone to burn-in, it's just that it's not as big of an issue it once was. Yes, technology has improved to decrease the chances to that it's unlikely, but it's not impossible that it could still happen.

Also, over time, home values, in general, will only increase over time. You can have market bubbles and recessions, but over time, they will be going up. 100 years from now, home prices will be higher. The only way they wouldn't be higher 100 years from now is if our population started to decline. Don't be so short-sighted.

[Sentientbydesign]

Even those correcting have misinformation.

1st) I would NEVER recommend a DLP to anyone unless you are ready for the repair bill when a lamp goes out. The lamps don't last long enough and cost an arm and a leg AND if the unit doesn't recognize the new lamp, you're screwed. It's like buying a Viper or some other insane sports car that needs insane maintenance.

2nd) Cali laws lead the nation (I'm not high and mighty, just stating a fact). Plasmas will likely die off in the next 6-12 month unless some amazing power reduction can be made. Also, they are much more delicate than LCDs and heavier and produce more heat.

3rd) There are no LED TVs. Just LED lit LCD TVs. I'm personally laughing at all of those "gotta have it now" people because I'm sure that the manufacturers will soon start making higher density LED backlights that are independently controlled (instead of on and off in groups). When they do this, I'll buy an LED TV because it will have some of the highest static contrast. ESPECIALLY if they use LEDs with very narrow light beems (which I'm sure they already do). This will prevent leaking.

If it were me, I'd buy a 1080p LCD with the lowest response time, highest refresh rate, and highest static contrast (80k:1 dynamic contrast doesn't mean poop!).

[hyperm3]

2nd) Cali laws lead the nation (I'm not high and mighty, just stating a fact). Plasmas will likely die off in the next 6-12 month unless some amazing power reduction can be made. Also, they are much more delicate than LCDs and heavier and produce more heat.

Talk about giving false information! Cali laws lead the nation in being the most prohibitive laws in the nation, not the most carried over to other states. FWIW, Cali IS its own nation and each state is governed by their own accord. Idaho doesn't need your greenhouse laws.

Secondly, youre giving plasma's half a year to a year to phase out. Thats absolutely absurd. That is Panasonics bread and butter. And even Samsung has been putting more resources into their plasmas. There is no way the BEST type of TV will die off that quick(if at all). LCD's are actually more delicate than plasmas as the panels in most of them (Especially Sony!) have the worst replacement rates. Sure, they give off more heat..in Vivid blasting mode. When put in a normal THX or Cinema mode they give off almost no discernable heat whatsoever. Especially after a professional calibration youll actually save more energy costs on a plasma over an LCD.

Lastly, the only thing that will be coming out to phase out BOTH plasma and LCD will be OLED. But that wont happen in the mainstream for at least another 4-5 years.

Can we let the misinformation rest now?

[smockers83]

Even those correcting have misinformation.

3rd) There are no LED TVs. Just LED lit LCD TVs.

aka, LED TVs. It's a pretty standard term, albeit a new term.

Even those correcting the correctors have misinformation.

[Sentientbydesign]

Talk about giving false information! Cali laws lead the nation in being the most prohibitive laws in the nation, not the most carried over to other states. FWIW, Cali IS its own nation and each state is governed by their own accord. Idaho doesn't need your greenhouse laws.

Secondly, youre giving plasma's half a year to a year to phase out. Thats absolutely absurd. That is Panasonics bread and butter. And even Samsung has been putting more resources into their plasmas. There is no way the BEST type of TV will die off that quick(if at all). LCD's are actually more delicate than plasmas as the panels in most of them (Especially Sony!) have the worst replacement rates. Sure, they give off more heat..in Vivid blasting mode. When put in a normal THX or Cinema mode they give off almost no discernable heat whatsoever. Especially after a professional calibration youll actually save more energy costs on a plasma over an LCD.

Lastly, the only thing that will be coming out to phase out BOTH plasma and LCD will be OLED. But that wont happen in the mainstream for at least another 4-5 years.

Can we let the misinformation rest now?

Thanks for your opine. Care to throw in any facts?

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab...ia-tv/

http://newteevee.com/2009/02/2...a-era/

Our "nation" has the strictest energy laws. The US government usually comes in a year or so later and says "Gee, that's a great idea. Let's apply this to Federal law." The fact that over 10% of the nations population lives in our state helps a little too.

As for Plasmas being delicate and heavy, I meant that from a physical standpoint, not longevity. There aren't many electronics built for the long haul these days. Very sad.

Being a Plasma Fanboi doesn't make the technology better.

aka, LED TVs. It's a pretty standard term, albeit a new term.

Even those correcting the correctors have misinformation.

I guess my point, is that there aren't any household TVs comprised of LED triads.

[WAldenIV]

Even those correcting have misinformation.

1st) I would NEVER recommend a DLP to anyone unless you are ready for the repair bill when a lamp goes out. The lamps don't last long enough and cost an arm and a leg AND if the unit doesn't recognize the new lamp, you're screwed. It's like buying a Viper or some other insane sports car that needs insane maintenance.

First of all, DLP bulbs are less than $200 now and can last for years and years with normal viewing. People used to set their TVs to "dynamic" mode, which is designed to make the TV look better under the bright store lights, and were burning out their bulbs in 1/4 the time.

Second, if you buy a replacement bulb from a respectable retailer, it will be guaranteed.

Third, many new DLP sets use LED arrays instead of traditional bulbs. They are much cheaper, last much, much longer, and produce even better colors since they can produce more than just white light.

DLP sets are simply a better value than LCD or Plasma for anyone who doesn't need to wall mount the TV.

[smockers83]

^ This is true.

[hyperm3]

First of all, DLP bulbs are less than $200 now and can last for years and years with normal viewing. People used to set their TVs to "dynamic" mode, which is designed to make the TV look better under the bright store lights, and were burning out their bulbs in 1/4 the time.

Second, if you buy a replacement bulb from a respectable retailer, it will be guaranteed.

Third, many new DLP sets use LED arrays instead of traditional bulbs. They are much cheaper, last much, much longer, and produce even better colors since they can produce more than just white light.

DLP sets are simply a better value than LCD or Plasma for anyone who doesn't need to wall mount the TV.

Too bad the only company making DLP now is Mitsubishi and not with LED bulbs. However, they made the bulbs extremely efficient and if they need to be replaced they are only $150. Everyone else has left the market.

[Tampa G35 Sedan 6MT]

This was a great Topic.... Its funny cuz it started as I was shopping for a TV

Anyhow

I got a Samsung Plasma 550.... It is a 600hrz and 1080p!

We Love it and got a wii and a PS3 to go with it....

The Plasma is a much better picture vs LCD!

I mean next time your looking at tv on display and they show an animated move... This is when you can see perfect images as they are not made using a camera... and Remember that the stores only use composite cables not HDMI....

The Plasma will always look better than an LCD.... They just look more natural....

Now LED's are the best technology.... I have LED's in my new 27" iMac and my 15" MacBookPro.... They are far better then the LCD's of the previous imac and Macbook...

With Gaming you have the problem of burin... I play games and don't have any problems.. And i got a 50" for the price of a 40" LCD.... but you make the call!

I was told that Panasonic makes the best plasma but i liked the way the Samsung looked better Plus it had those cool light up and touch sensitive buttons lol.

DJ

[shokhead]

It was more complicated than that. Beta provided a noticeably better picture than VHS. However, Sony refused to make high capacity tapes because they didn't think people would want them. Panasonic made 120s and 180s and took the market away from Sony. Eventually, VHS was improved enough that picture quality matched Beta. Game over.

You forgot reel-to-reel tape. Actually, cassette is by far the poorest of these four media because of the slow transport speed. At the high end of audio ($20k and up for a system), records sound better than CD in some ways. New records are still being produced, but only for the high end market.

With forums, instant messaging, etc., it's come full circle.

Nice! Those Panasonic's are really good. My advice has been LCD for the bedroom/kitchen. Plasma for the living room/den. Don't forget that LCD is nothing more then a big computer screen.

[smockers83]

Don't forget that LCD is nothing more then a big computer screen.

Plus some other major components.

[DAAN.]

http://www.youtube.com/v/EDAirRyMj34&hl=en_US&fs=1&

[marlin29311]

This thread makes my headspin with all the garbage mumbled in it.

Hey, why don't we tell the OP to go buy a 3D TV now too?

Plasma is not going anywhere...yet. While SBD is correct in the energy laws passed by Cali, plasma still reigns supreme as the best TV in terms of picture quality, response and INPUT LAG time (more on this to follow), black levels, etc...Plasma's major windfall is the power consumption (some can draw near 600W!!!) and the ability to have a burn in - YES THEY CAN STILL BURN IN. Most plasma's also require a break-in period where you display static monocolor images to help calibrate the set.

LED TV's are the next best thing, especially when you are viewing a local dimming model - local dimming allows the led matrix behind the lcd panel to dim in specific areas to help reproduce a greater black level and reduce light leakage from the LCD panel. They also offer very low power consumption (my new LED runs at about 70W). Problems include bad off-angle viewing, and for local dimming, not enough led's to truly get the black levels as a plasma - in a perfect world, each pixel would have it's own corresponding LED to backlight it, but this would cost a ton of money to do.

LCD's are the mainstream right now, and generally get the job done....8-bit, 10-bit, 12-bit whatever...no one on this board is going to see anything different because the vast majority of input sources DON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT FOR IT. Quite honestly, the one device that's actually sort of capable of using new technologies like 10-bit panels have such as X.V.color and the sort is the PS3 game system. Nothing else uses it...it's all gimmicks to hype up a price. I could get into the breakdown of the differences of ASV panels versus other panel types, but it's not even worth it. Overall, LCD itself is a good pick for your every day viewing.

Now the OP was talking about a good TV for gaming...all this fancy 240HZ and super duper post processing is worthless when it comes to gaming on TV's. Want to know why? BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO TURN IT ALL OFF. TV's today have so much post processing garbage going on that it makes it near impossible to play a video game because of what is called input lag. Input lag is the delay between when the video leaves it's source and finally gets displayed on the TV screen. Some modern LCD's can introduce an input lag of up to 170ms! That's a noticeable difference, especially with an audio delay (if you're using a home theater setup) and a reation delay (aka, you hit the A button to jump, and you jump 200ms later on the screen...) Fortunatley, a lot of TV's include a "game mode." UNFORUTNATELY, this turns off all of your gimmicky "240HZ" and such. In most respects, game mode reduces input lag to around 10-30ms, which is acceptable, but some newer sets don't do well even with game mode on. Here's an interesting table with response times (yea, it's in italian, but I can't find a better site with this many comparisons...TV's are listed by model number):

http://www.dday.it/redazione/2...ina-2

There have also been several tests done on sites like http://www.avsforum.com that show that some Plasma's actually have no input lag at all/the best of them all.

Bah!