Pics of the s14 alongside friends supra!

[Juujai]

theres lots of nonperforming stuff we put in our car. that kit might look flashy and have lots of weird lines but the only thing i really see that makes it look ricey is the corner lights, the celica looking scoop, the nonstock headlights and the hood. the kititself is okay. if you want to see weird and wild stuff look at top secret, ab flug etc and you'll see stuff with crazier lines. atleast its dropped and has "decent" fitting wheels. unlike most of the 4x4 mom looking 240s i see... with +40offset

[ON3_T1M3]

theres lots of nonperforming stuff we put in our car. that kit might look flashy and have lots of weird lines but the only thing i really see that makes it look ricey is the corner lights, the celica looking scoop, the nonstock headlights and the hood. the kititself is okay. if you want to see weird and wild stuff look at top secret, ab flug etc and you'll see stuff with crazier lines. atleast its dropped and has "decent" fitting wheels. unlike most of the 4x4 mom looking 240s i see... with +40offset

as for the supras wing, its different and thats good. especially when you see almost every supra with that wing, not mention just about nehting else you can imagine *(berettas/camry/accord)* *which i would definately consider rice* not a 630 hp supra

[Veriest1]

From http://www.slangsite.com/slang/R.html

Ricer: A guy/girl that makes their car look like it has engine power, put it doesn't.Example: (ex. Dodge Neon 106hp engine with yellow sitckers and fake chrome hub caps supposedly = +60hp)

[HashiriyaS14]

From http://www.slangsite.com/slang/R.html

Ricer: A guy/girl that makes their car look like it has engine power, put it doesn't.Example: (ex. Dodge Neon 106hp engine with yellow sitckers and fake chrome hub caps supposedly = +60hp)

I win.

w00t.

[97ka-t]

600hp in and of itself is an oxymoron when used in the same sentence as "rice", unless it's on a sticker. When you have a single turbo Supra, probably boosting more than just about every NICO car, I don't see how it's even possible to call it rice. Just look at the engine.

Here are some various definitions of rice:

Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements. (R.I.C.E.)Parts put on cars to make them look fast, when they have no internal tuning, and are actually slow as hell. Parts usually consist of excessivley angular bodykits, large rear spoilers, neon, sponsor stickers, chrome rims, fake "coffee can" exhaust tips, and loud, annoying paint jobs and/or vynils. Sometimes parts are do-it-yourself installed and are basically duct taped to the car. Most commonly known for being done to Honda Civics, but can also be done to slow domestic vehicles, such as a Chevy Cavalier, etc.

i) Food staple, ususally associated with asian countries but consumed worldwide.

ii) A car, usually a late model of japanese origin, that has had numerous features added to it that may enhance its looks, but do nothing for its performance.Examples include "VTEC" and "Mugen" stickers, large spoilers, chrome wheels ( see also bling bling ), large diameter exhaust pipes, clear brake light lenses and lowered springs.

iii) Individual features of a car noted in (ii) above

[nismodave]

I can define rice anyway I choose.

A 1000 HP turbo supra can still be rice in MY opinion, because thats the way I look at it.

I shurely have respect for the guys ability to afford a Supra and put a big turbo on it. But I still think the car is ricey.

An internet found definition will not change my wording.

[Veriest1]

And it shouldn't change your opinion. You're entitled to it.

[GEO]

Seriously, anyone who calls that supra rice is naive.

[spanishricer]

He contradicted himself because he was wrong again and said he's never wrong. Simply because your car has actual performance parts doesn't change the fact that you have parts on it that are gaudy and non-performing.

The only parts I see on that Supra that don't serve a somewhat worthwhile performance function is the sideskirts and rear aprons. And they are neccesary to keep the car from looking off-balance with the front bumper.

1) The front bumper provides a bigger opening for the FMIC and an duct for cool incoming air.

2) The hood lets out hot air and keeps engine temps down.

3) The wing provides downforce while traveling at speeds in excess of 160mph, which this car is certainly capable of.

Every car will have a part or two on it that serves no performance function. God help you if you have a factory front or rear spoiler...'tis the epitomy of rice!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions in here. But geeeez...don't confuse your dislike for the car with a term that is well known and recognized to mean something else...you'll confuse the noobs

[Veriest1]

Quote »The only parts I see on that Supra that don't serve a somewhat worthwhile performance function is the sideskirts and rear aprons. And they are neccesary to keep the car from looking off-balance with the front bumper.

1) The front bumper provides a bigger opening for the FMIC and an duct for cool incoming air.

2) The hood lets out hot air and keeps engine temps down.

3) The wing provides downforce while traveling at speeds in excess of 160mph, which this car is certainly capable of.

Every car will have a part or two on it that serves no performance function. God help you if you have a factory front or rear spoiler...'tis the epitomy of rice!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions in here. But geeeez...don't confuse your dislike for the car with a term that is well known and recognized to mean something else...you'll confuse the noobs [/quote]From the top... the side skirts and rear aprons also keep air out from under the car and if the rear apron is flat on the bottom and or has a diffuser then it will help prevent drag as well. Remember the function of aerodynamics is to make the car act in the opposite manner of an airplanes wing.

1) The front bumper also has those nice big splitters. They're probably quite functional. Brake ducts could easily be worked in there as well.

2) Yop, functional hood. I think it has an intake vent too but I don't feel like going back to look.

3) We have a thread about this... zerothread?id=125929The relevent information is one the second and 3rd pages I believe.

So don't confuse the noobs.

[GrilledCheese33]

I agree, supra = rice. I'd respect it a whole lot more if the outside was stock. I think it looks horrible. But hey, your photos came out really good. What kind of camera did you use?

Some were taken with my fujifilm 3.2 megapixel and others were taken with a 5 megapixel canon powershot.

wouldnt it be nice if the word rice was never seen on these forums again? mods, make it a swear word. all i ever want to see is "youre car is ****d out"

Definately agreed!

Seriously, anyone who calls that supra rice is naive.

Yup, thats very true

Wow guys, i never thought my thread would turn into a argument like this O well, at least i figured out why people think HashiriyaS14 is a badass I just wanted to post pics and get some responses, not turn it into an argument. But yes, all are entitled to your own opinions, so just try not to confuse the noobs too much

[TachyonS14]

The only reason I call it rice is this. If I saw that car pass me on the freeway, without knowing anything about it, first thing that comes to mind is rice. Now, I know that it has a lot of hp and thats cool, but on first glance it looks lame to me. I just really really hate body kits. No need for a car to look like a transformer.

[InsanityInc]

1) The front bumper provides a bigger opening for the FMIC and an duct for cool incoming air.

Bzzt, wrong. Look at the front shot. The FMIC opening hangs a good 2-3 inches lower than the FMIC, which is totally unnecessary and was obviously done to make the car look lower. Also, that little intake vent is completely useless, look at the underhood shot and you can see it doesn't go anywhere. Not to mention the "look I'm an F1 car" front "downforce" wing things on the front lip are retarded. Yeah, really, your bumper made of fairly soft urethane attached by a few screws is really going to be designed to create lots of downforce, I swear.

Quote »2) The hood lets out hot air and keeps engine temps down.[/quote]Ha ha. No. Just because a hood has holes in it doesn't make it effectively vented. All of the vents on the hood are in the front 1/3, which will do absolutely jack and **** for venting. In order to be functional, vents need to be pretty far back on the hood so that air can flow through the bay and THEN flow out of it so as to actually produce a cooling effect.

Quote »3) The wing provides downforce while traveling at speeds in excess of 160mph, which this car is certainly capable of.[/quote]I can't tell if the wing is functional or not as there aren't any particularly good shots of it. However, I'm betting it's non-functional considering the rest of the car. Also, has he ever been at speeds in excess of 160mph? I'm guessing not. If he showed up to a road course with that car he'd get laughed off the track. Not to mention considering that powerband it would be just about undrivable on a road course.

Quote »Every car will have a part or two on it that serves no performance function. God help you if you have a factory front or rear spoiler...'tis the epitomy of rice![/quote]I have a DOHC, so no wierdo front lip, and I took off my factory rear spoiler because it looked like **** and served no purpose.

Quote »Everyone is entitled to their own opinions in here. But geeeez...don't confuse your dislike for the car with a term that is well known and recognized to mean something else...you'll confuse the noobs [/quote]Read above. His modifications are gaudy and have no practical purpose, but wish to appear that they do. Why, that seems to fit your definition of rice.

[InsanityInc]

1) The front bumper also has those nice big splitters. They're probably quite functional. Brake ducts could easily be worked in there as well.

Hah hah. Sorry, just because you think your "aero kit" looks nifty doesn't mean it does a damned thing for aerodynamics. First of all, the front lip is fairly soft urethane attached by a few screws. It's not going to be able to hold any kind of downforce or transmit it to your car. Second, considering the massive gap between the FMIC and the end of the space for the FMIC, you're not going to keep any air out from under the car. And notice that little backwards swoop on the sideskirts? Yeah, that's doing nothing but creating drag. If anything, I'd guess his car is actually LESS aerodynamic with those modifications. Anything that has actual aerodynamic properties would cost a fortune aftermarket. There's a reason why you don't see race cars with common body kits, they don't do ****.

[PantherRacer]

I think the supra looks good.

InsanityInc is a prime example of how some NiCO members are adopting a close-minded, head up *** view on cars. Just because they have a bodykit, it's bad. not everyone is performance oriented and think about it, that bodykit with those mods, most likely helps the car to handle better than if it still had on it's stock bodykit.

So you are now Mr."High and mighty I know everything about cars because I am so high and mighty in my non aesthetically modified car"

so an aftermarket kit is rice? even if the car came without one? face it, even if the material is relatively soft it will create some downforce.According to you, that kit looks ugly and is just dead weight on the car.

If you don't have nothing nice to say don't post in the thread. NO-ONE forced you to post, hell, you didn't even have to reply to hashiyara's (correct) definition of rice. you could have ended it there. But no, you had to drag out a very nice thread with your close minded view of what is good and what is not. I'm not gonna hold your post count against you because you do raise valid points, but stop being so stubborn and just plain hard headed, you're scaring people from the site

[InsanityInc]

I think the supra looks good.

InsanityInc is a prime example of how some NiCO members are adopting a close-minded, head up *** view on cars. Just because they have a bodykit, it's bad. not everyone is performance oriented and think about it, that bodykit with those mods, most likely helps the car to handle better than if it still had on it's stock bodykit.

What? How is a non-aerodynamic body kit going to make you handle better? Are you completely off your rocker?

Quote »so an aftermarket kit is rice? even if the car came without one? face it, even if the material is relatively soft it will create some downforce.According to you, that kit looks ugly and is just dead weight on the car. [/quote]How does that make sense? Even if the car came without one? Of course it didn't come with an aftermarket body kit. I'm not really sure what you're getting at there. And no, the kit does not create downforce, you're fooling yourself if you think it does. Like I said, if it actually had tested and engineered aerodynamic properties, it would be FAR more expensive. And the point is it's not engineered to develop downforce because if it was, the downforce would just flex the bumper and not actually give your car any improved traction. It looks ugly because it doesn't match the lines of the car, that's completely OBJECTIVE, and it being deadweight is also 100% objective. The thing serves no practical purpose.

Quote »If you don't have nothing nice to say don't post in the thread. NO-ONE forced you to post, hell, you didn't even have to reply to hashiyara's (correct) definition of rice. you could have ended it there. But no, you had to drag out a very nice thread with your close minded view of what is good and what is not. I'm not gonna hold your post count against you because you do raise valid points, but stop being so stubborn and just plain hard headed, you're scaring people from the site[/quote]Hold my post count against me? Are you ****ting me? You honestly considered claiming that I knew less than you about cars because of my post count? Wow, that's about the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.

Point is, the exterior modifications serve no purpose, are objectively asthetically bad, and are made to appear as though they do have a purpose. That's rice, and I don't care if you can throw on a massive turbo, doesn't change a thing.

[GrilledCheese33]

Insanity, stop ruining my thread! You've told us all what you think so many times, i'm ready to shoot myself. Just stop. We all know your opinion and your ruining my thread. The purpose was to show my cool pictures, not to read your f-n opinion of r*** (for you rps13!) 10 times. So please stop. You could have ended this argument much sooner, but had to drag it out

I can't tell if the wing is functional or not as there aren't any particularly good shots of it. However, I'm betting it's non-functional considering the rest of the car. Also, has he ever been at speeds in excess of 160mph? I'm guessing not. If he showed up to a road course with that car he'd get laughed off the track. Not to mention considering that powerband it would be just about undrivable on a road course.

Ok, if you owned a full blown rare 1994 hard top supra show car(there was only 75 1994 hard tops sold in the US, the rest were targas: check it out athttp://www.suprahardtopregistry.com/ ), Why in the h*** would you even think about taking it to the track??????????????????????????????????????????? The car is meant for street and show. Not to be taken out and screwed over.

I'm not trying to be an a** , but please stop messing up my thread your gonna get it locked, which i would rather it not be.

-Darren

[InsanityInc]

Quote »Why in the h*** would you even think about taking it to the track??????????????????????????????????????????? The car is meant for street and show. Not to be taken out and screwed over.[/quote]Wow. By your logic, nobody should race ferrari enzos or shelby cobras. I rest my case.
Modified by InsanityInc at 10:05 PM 7/20/2005

[GrilledCheese33]

good, i'm glad. 1 of 75:The car is rare, i don't mind you posting at all, just please don't give your opinion of rice again.

-Darren

[PantherRacer]

it's all love, I'm not gonna waste my time arguing....

I was going to say "so a tach is rice too, even if the car came without one" but i'm at work so I'm watching my back <_< >_>

anyways, let's just stop using the word rice and dragging good threads through the mud because you don't like how a bodykit looks.

[InsanityInc]

good, i'm glad. 1 of 75:The car is rare, i don't mind you posting at all, just please don't give your opinion of rice again.

-Darren

Note: I wasn't agreeing with your opinion of what to do with the car.

[GrilledCheese33]

Note: I wasn't agreeing with your opinion of what to do with the car.

you weren't clear. O well, i'm got going to say anymore

[GrilledCheese33]

Wow. By your logic, nobody should race ferrari enzos or shelby cobras. I rest my case.

Modified by InsanityInc at 10:05 PM 7/20/2005

If you race those exoctics, i would have to call you stupid

[PantherRacer]

and this thread has officially gone to oblivion lol

[InsanityInc]

If you race those exoctics, i would have to call you stupid

Then you obviously don't understand that those cars were designed for racing. If you never took an enzo to the track it would be a travesty.

[MKIV Surfer]

This will be my only post on the subject but:

Bzzt, wrong. Look at the front shot. The FMIC opening hangs a good 2-3 inches lower than the FMIC, which is totally unnecessary and was obviously done to make the car look lower. Also, that little intake vent is completely useless, look at the underhood shot and you can see it doesn't go anywhere. Not to mention the "look I'm an F1 car" front "downforce" wing things on the front lip are retarded. Yeah, really, your bumper made of fairly soft urethane attached by a few screws is really going to be designed to create lots of downforce, I swear.

Bzzt, wrong. Did you ever think that having the FMIC opening a good 2-3 inches lower than the FMIC is for cooling. Supra's have great cooling issues on the auto course. This was not done to make the car look lower........it was done to get more air to the radiator to keep the temps down. So it is not totally unnecessary..........if your auto coursing, it is actually pretty NECESSARY. And the "little intake vent" is just above the FMIC to give air flow to the radiator.

I can't tell if the wing is functional or not as there aren't any particularly good shots of it. However, I'm betting it's non-functional considering the rest of the car. Also, has he ever been at speeds in excess of 160mph? I'm guessing not. If he showed up to a road course with that car he'd get laughed off the track. Not to mention considering that powerband it would be just about undrivable on a road course.

Actually, the wing provides more or less downforce as the stock wing (wing is adjustable). So YES, it does have a purpose. Did you know that a wing helps you stay stable under braking also?? Not just at high speeds. And with the powerband....the stock rev limiter can be bumped up to 7500 very easily. Believe it or not......people use bigger turbos on the road course. So having 300rwhp at only 4200 is a pretty good power band (maybe its not for you guys, but it is for supra guys).

Just don't get mad that the car can back up its looks.

[InsanityInc]

This will be my only post on the subject but:

Bzzt, wrong. Did you ever think that having the FMIC opening a good 2-3 inches lower than the FMIC is for cooling. Supra's have great cooling issues on the auto course. This was not done to make the car look lower........it was done to get more air to the radiator to keep the temps down. So it is not totally unnecessary..........if your auto coursing, it is actually pretty NECESSARY. And the "little intake vent" is just above the FMIC to give air flow to the radiator.

How would the little intake vent give air to the radiator? In case you're unaware, the radiator is cooled by passing air through the fins in the body of it, not by passing air above it. Secondly, adding space below your intercooler would help cool the radiator, assuming your radiator hung below your intercooler. However, from the pictures I can quite easily tell that it does not. Once again, unless you're passing air over the body of the radiator, you're not doing any good.

Quote »Actually, the wing provides more or less downforce as the stock wing (wing is adjustable). So YES, it does have a purpose. Did you know that a wing helps you stay stable under braking also?? Not just at high speeds. And with the powerband....the stock rev limiter can be bumped up to 7500 very easily. Believe it or not......people use bigger turbos on the road course. So having 300rwhp at only 4200 is a pretty good power band (maybe its not for you guys, but it is for supra guys).[/quote]Really. Do you have proof that it's functional (just give me a better picture of it from a few angles and I can tell you if it is or not). Adjustable does not equal functional, also. Not to mention it still wouldn't matter unless you actually raced the car on a track.

And no, it won't help you in stability at low speeds. All aerodynamic properties scale exponentially with speed, not just downforce and lift. Also, you don't seem to understand what a power band is. Having x HP at y RPM doesn't mean you have a good powerband. It's obvious from the dyno chart that the car has immense amounts of turbo lag (not really surprising from the size of the compressor) and a piss poor powerband.

Quote »Just don't get mad that the car can back up its looks. [/quote]There's nothing to "back up", the car just looks like ***.

[MKIV Surfer]

How would the little intake vent give air to the radiator? In case you're unaware, the radiator is cooled by passing air through the fins in the body of it, not by passing air above it. Secondly, adding space below your intercooler would help cool the radiator, assuming your radiator hung below your intercooler. However, from the pictures I can quite easily tell that it does not. Once again, unless you're passing air over the body of the radiator, you're not doing any good.

Yes, I know how a radiator works. :p Yes, the vent up top passes air THROUGH the radiator. But C-West makes piping to go from the vent to the intake to get cooling for the intake. But it was left that way because it gets air though the radiator.

Really. Do you have proof that it's functional (just give me a better picture of it from a few angles and I can tell you if it is or not). Adjustable does not equal functional, also. Not to mention it still wouldn't matter unless you actually raced the car on a track.

I really dont feeling like proving anything to you (my girlfriend is right here next to me and she's sick ) But the car is going to be set up for auto course and drag.......hence the mid-sized turbo.

And no, it won't help you in stability at low speeds. All aerodynamic properties scale exponentially with speed, not just downforce and lift. Also, you don't seem to understand what a power band is. Having x HP at y RPM doesn't mean you have a good powerband. It's obvious from the dyno chart that the car has immense amounts of turbo lag (not really surprising from the size of the compressor) and a piss poor powerband.

Your view of turbo lag is different from mine. I agree with you.......if it was only an auto course car, it would have a 57-63mm turbo, but I want the car to be a little bit of a drag car too. Supra owners just have a different view of "turbo lag" then most other people, lol. This is considered a pretty quick spooling turbo in the MKIV Supra world.

[spanishricer]

Bzzt, wrong. Look at the front shot. The FMIC opening hangs a good 2-3 inches lower than the FMIC, which is totally unnecessary and was obviously done to make the car look lower. Also, that little intake vent is completely useless, look at the underhood shot and you can see it doesn't go anywhere. Not to mention the "look I'm an F1 car" front "downforce" wing things on the front lip are retarded. Yeah, really, your bumper made of fairly soft urethane attached by a few screws is really going to be designed to create lots of downforce, I swear.

Better to be too big than too small. It also leaves room for larger intercooler core upgrades. And the ram air vent would be much more functional if he didn't have that huge fan shroud.

Ha ha. No. Just because a hood has holes in it doesn't make it effectively vented. All of the vents on the hood are in the front 1/3, which will do absolutely jack and **** for venting. In order to be functional, vents need to be pretty far back on the hood so that air can flow through the bay and THEN flow out of it so as to actually produce a cooling effect.

Jesus, you've got to be kidding me...the largest vent on the hood is sitting right behind the radiator, where it will be most functional. The smaller vents are just to release ambient heat.

I can't tell if the wing is functional or not as there aren't any particularly good shots of it. However, I'm betting it's non-functional considering the rest of the car. Also, has he ever been at speeds in excess of 160mph? I'm guessing not. If he showed up to a road course with that car he'd get laughed off the track. Not to mention considering that powerband it would be just about undrivable on a road course.

How many cars go up to 160mph on roadcourses? There'd have to be one hell of a straightaway on that track. That wing functions properly when the Supra is in it's element...meaning high speed highway runs.

I have a DOHC, so no wierdo front lip, and I took off my factory rear spoiler because it looked like **** and served no purpose.

Well if you're taking off all the stuff that makes your car look like ***, you've got quite a ways to go there buddy.

I can't believe I'm actually arguing this point with somebody who thinks some ebay strut bar is an excellent cure for understeer

[GrilledCheese33]

welcome to nico MKIV Surfer

Now there should be nothing to argue about since you heard it from the owner, right, insanity inc?