I'M A FAG!

as in gay.flaming out of control.anal sex with oversized beads.homoeroticism

jeez, come on ppl! vote! or you don't know?

no wonder usa dosn't have good racing drivers and have to go ask an Argentinian, like me, to drive for their team.BAHAHAHA

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Modified by maku_gx at 4:47 PM 3/16/2010

maybe we just don't care about your post.

ps spell check is your friend.

And maybe you didn't include enough information.

Dry pavement or wet? Accelerating? Decelerating? Coasting?

But since you think you're so smart, you're wrong.

Here's why:

Most novice drivers, when they feel uncomfortable in a corner, such as the rear end stepping out, their immediate reaction is to lift off the throttle.

Cutting power in mid-corner induces more oversteer. This is known as lift-off oversteer.

What's all that talk about Argentina?

AZhitman wrote:And maybe you didn't include enough information.

Dry pavement or wet? Accelerating? Decelerating? Coasting?

But since you think you're so smart, you're wrong.

Here's why:

Most novice drivers, when they feel uncomfortable in a corner, such as the rear end stepping out, their immediate reaction is to lift off the throttle.

Cutting power in mid-corner induces more oversteer. This is known as lift-off oversteer.

What's all that talk about Argentina?

yeah I know all this, I have extensive racing knowledge.we're not talking about lift-off

we're talking about what gives more grip, and what causes over/under steer.

if youre going 100mph on a corner and you slowly left the gas off, you're gonna get more grip.if you accelerate, you're gonna oversteer.

the talk about Argentina, is that americans wanted Jose Maria Lopez, Argentinian driver to be the first driver of representing the american team on the USF1, because American drivers weren't that good.ROFL IN YOUR FACE!

I refuse to play your bench racing game.

I have about 20 track days under my belt... if you have more than me... odds are you're a better driver.. If I have more.. I'm better.

You shouldn't send people random Aim messages like that sir.

Using the throttle pedal in a high speed corners can cause all kinds of situations. Slowly letting up on the throttle will cause you to slow down and reducing your speed allows more grip. Quickly letting up on teh throttle causes the cars suspension to unsettle most likely causing traction loss and leading to a spin.

At no point should you be slowly lifting off the gas in a corner, if anything slowly in creasing the throttle as you pass apex point. Or you can use an off-throttle move as a very slight brake to cut a bit of speed before corner entry. I do this at some tracks for certain corners when the brakes do way too much and full throttle is too fast.

In theory alot of things makes sense, books say this and that. Practical application and actually making those mistakes and tests is what gets you the actual results. I know for a fact going off throttle in T4 at Summit Point, WV your car is almost guaranteed to spin. If you are off throttle before corner entry you will be fine, its the mid corner adjustment that causes the reaction.

I know this is a poll and most people use the idea in their head to makes sense of everything, I have been tracking my car for 6 years and have been instructing for 2.5, i have seen the mistakes made, made the mistakes myself, tried different methods to rotate the and to try and cut fractions of seconds off laps.

maku_gx wrote:
yeah I know all this, I have extensive racing knowledge.we're not talking about lift-off

we're talking about what gives more grip, and what causes over/under steer.

Then why are you asking us?

I stand by my response.

Actually Maku the debate was:

If youre coming in hot and youre mid corner and you release all throttle input, will this result in understeer, oversteer or more grip?

and your answer was: More grip

i said it will ultimately end up in understeer or oversteer depending on the setup of the vehicle.

i stand by my answer.

But he's Argentinian and has has extensive racing knowledge!

AZhitman wrote:
Then why are you asking us?

I stand by my response.

because I wanted to show my friend, by a number of ppl who thought the same as I did (the truth) that he was wrong.it's not gonna change anyones ideas anyway, but it was for fun.

I guess now a days you can't ask anything without getting bashed for something.

AZhitman wrote:But he's Argentinian and has has extensive racing knowledge!

you're welcome to follow my progress in europe and american when I become a racing driver.

StrokerAce wrote:Actually Maku the debate was:

If youre coming in hot and youre mid corner and you release all throttle input, will this result in understeer, oversteer or more grip?

and your answer was: More grip

i said it will ultimately end up in understeer or oversteer depending on the setup of the vehicle.

i stand by my answer.

ah...ok...that's not what I understood.

what i understood was that if you're in mid corner at a steady speed, and you let go off the gas, not in a LIFT-OFF manner, but gradually, you will grip more.to which you say, you will under/over steer.

but if you are coming hot and you lift-off you'd most likely oversteer.thats one drifting technique, specially for small cars like miata.

maku_gx wrote:
because I wanted to show my friend, by a number of ppl who thought the same as I did (the truth) that he was wrong.it's not gonna change anyones ideas anyway, but it was for fun.

I guess now a days you can't ask anything without getting bashed for something.

I didn't bash for the question. I bashed for your know-it-all attitude and the fact that you were wrong. Your friend was on the right track... It's generally accepted that if you lift off the throttle mid-turn (which is what you said in your first post), it will induce oversteer in a R-R car.

AZhitman wrote:
I didn't bash for the question. I bashed for your know-it-all attitude and the fact that you were wrong. Your friend was on the right track... It's generally accepted that if you lift off the throttle mid-turn (which is what you said in your first post), it will induce oversteer in a R-R car.

I guess the question might have been wrongfully asked, but I know very well how to drive a car.but it is very well know what happens when you lift-off in mid turn, otherwise I couldn't have become a good drifting driver in such a short time.

and we were talking in a REAR WHEEL, FRONT ENGINE car anyway.

Good - We'll expect to see you at Mid-America for the North American Nissan Convention in June, you can show off your skills.

Info is in my signature.

Biggamehit wrote:I refuse to play your bench racing game.

I have about 20 track days under my belt... if you have more than me... odds are you're a better driver.. If I have more.. I'm better.

You shouldn't send people random Aim messages like that sir.

jeez calm down, alright whatever.I had you in my aim list for a while, but I guess not anymore.

AZhitman wrote:Good - We'll expect to see you at Mid-America for the North American Nissan Convention in June, you can show off your skills.

Info is in my signature.

nope, I'll be racing in nurburgring. sorry.

Your Question is poorly worded, your answers, are mediocre at best (and wrong). Such mediocre discussions with your friend prove that your knowledge is still budding. I would hit the search button a little bit more, you will find a much more detailed answer to such a question. As it is best to learn from your own research.

The US is filled with many talented driver's across many different forms of racing. In particular, your jab at Formula 1 is taken. However, the Argentinean wasn't able to provide the USF1 Team with much knowledge, which explains why he was released from his contract that lasted less than a month...among other things, the team has evaporated.

Good luck with your search for answers.

Also if you are talking about formula one, I believe the last Argentinian was a 5 time winner from '51 to 57 being the last race he won. The last American formula 1 champ was Mario Andretti in 78

Why are you racing at the ring? What are you racing at the ring? And I would prolly ease up off the cockiness. It doesnt look good on you. Good luck with your racing career
Modified by n00b240 at 10:04 PM 3/17/2010

while I'll give you that my english is bad, which may be the reason of the pooly worded questions.ALSO that the discussion is mediocre, because it was just a friendly discussion and I tried to have more ppl backing up the real information I claimed to be.

at no moment I tried being cocky or an a** about it, like you're being.

yet, my discussion proves absolutely nothing about my knowledge, but your answer proves you just like to think of yourself like too much and wanna go around trying to show off.

The reason why the Argentinian, LOPEZ wasn't able to become the driver was due to lack of physical attributes, not lack of knowledge.

yeah, I specially like the name of that "AMERICAN" who won the last F1.mario andretti. if it wasn't for his italian side, that wouldn't have happened.

anyhow, I'm not gonna answer those questions right now, nor here.but you're showing more cocky attitude than anyone here, and don't tell me what to be like either, you don't know me.

good luck in minding your own business.

maku_gx wrote:
nope, I'll be racing in nurburgring. sorry.

Ok dude. Have fun with that.

maku_gx wrote: your answer proves you just like to think of yourself like too much and wanna go around trying to show off.

You're the one in here bragging about your driving skills.

If you were THAT good, someone would be paying you to drive. They aren't. In fact, I've never even heard of you, and 99% of pro drivers are already pro by age 20. You're 27, so I think you're a little late.

maku_gx wrote:mario andretti. if it wasn't for his italian side, that wouldn't have happened.

That's the stupidest thing I've read all day.

So, someone's race is what makes them a good driver? Do you know where ALL Americans come from? EVERYWHERE.

I don't think the problem is with your English. I think the problem is that you're not very smart.

p.s. You're still wrong in your first post. Your friend is right.

hey ***hole, just shut the f*** up alright.i cant bann retards from my post, but just go away.

plus, like you would have any knowledge to know anything bout anything.pathetic loser.

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you Argentinians and your f***ing egos!

maku_gx wrote:hey ***hole, just shut the f*** up alright.i cant bann retards from my post, but just go away.

plus, like you would have any knowledge to know anything bout anything.pathetic loser.

you suck at driving... as well as e-thugging... jump in a pool filled with razor sharp dildos and off yourself please

dont lock til the LC gets a chance to rip this kid a new one!

wat a eediat. di poor fool a try sound smart. yo my ute, mi a look fi a 240 fi buy. sell me urs so yuh can buy more playstation and gran turismo fi play. big jackass.
Modified by dre1507 at 10:25 PM 3/18/2010