PFCvs.Fcon any suggestions

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:05 am

simply put ive been looking into both of these for a while for my CA...yes at times i wanted MS, but theres to much fabbing on that that i dont have enough electrical or machining skills to cut cost nor do i have access to a hook up for said parts

so ive decided id rather run a plug n play Standalone system...simply put the more exact i can be with tuning the better...ive never been a fan of piggy backs since theres a huge limit to what i can do...and same goes with chiping since once its done id have to send it out again if i wanna upgrade one or the other, or hook it to a piggy aswelll...

and so i turn to my nico brothers...and sisters of course...for some guidance for a standalone... any input would be greatly appreciated, i can actually buy either but im in savings mode to upgrade a few other things b4 i dyno...itll be a while but itll be worth it

Post by **slo** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:28 am

I've heard great things about Power FC for the ca... Sorry I couldn't give you anymore details... I honestly don't know...

Post by **articzap** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:28 am

PowerFC if you can find a CA one.

Post by **jt15833** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:29 am

research nistune if you havent yet. standalone style tuning tables w/ no electrical/mechanical alterations needed! cheap too!

biggest drawback is you must retain the MAF sensor, but this is not a big deal as people are making big power with MAF's.
Modified by jt15833 at 12:53 PM 7/23/2008

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:57 am

jt15833 wrote:research nistune if you havent yet. standalone style tuning tables w/ no electrical/mechanical alterations needed! cheap too!

biggest drawback is you must retain the MAF sensor, but this is not a big deal as people are making big power with MAF's.

Modified by jt15833 at 12:53 PM 7/23/2008

yeah...i actually wanna get into the whole fuel mapping side of tuning...removing the MAF is one less thing id have to worry about replacing...

Post by **Bwana** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:28 am

Nistune would be my first preference, unmatched potential for the money.

Post by **themadscientist** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:56 am

plug and play haltechhttp://www.tweakit.net/shop/pr...=2296

This is the place I got my Haltech E8, great service.

Post by **Nunook** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:11 pm

The PFC is nice but i dont think the one for the ca removes the maf. They dont have a d-jetro for the ca18.

I've seen alot of jap tuned cars use the fcon but i dont kno anyone that has the tools to tune it.

The haltech is really nice but cost more then both of the others, i think.

Post by **themadscientist** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:29 pm

The PFC doesn't even enter into the discussion as they are impossible to get anymore. More people have seen the Loch Ness monster than have seen any CA18 PFC, not just the D-jetro.

$1700 for the E8 with harness

$1400 for V prohttp://www.hksusa.com/products/?id=1965 $250 for the harnesshttp://www.hksusa.com/products/?id=2026

Oh and you now get to go hat in hand to an authorized HKS shop to get it set up.

The decision seems easy to me.

Post by **jt15833** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:38 pm

Both those are $1500 + systems. Will cost you $400 if you send them your ECU. With an LM-1 or similar wideband you're looking at $700. This is half the cost of tms solutions! Nistune and a supported wideband makes street tuning quite simple, with dyno tuning followup possible by most and tuning shops. I think it is a great solution for mild to mild + power applications. It allows for adjustment of different types of airflow sensors and injectors, along with the basics such as rev / speed limiters.

Not to mention the consult abilities Nistune has to let you view essential input parameters, along with logging abilities of these. It is VERY cool stuff for the money, it's a stock ECU (not internally of course) with a USB port! teh ****!

I am sure the Haltech system provides advantages over Nistune, and I would like to hear them. Not in favor of an argument, but for knowledge

http://www.nistune.com/

Post by **themadscientist** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:49 pm

SDS is still attractive for the enthusiast on a budget.

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:48 pm

nice keep it coming....

anyone consider AEM EMS though...

Post by **Buddyworm** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:49 pm

DALAZ_68 wrote:
yeah...i actually wanna get into the whole fuel mapping side of tuning...removing the MAF is one less thing id have to worry about replacing...

So...you'd rather d!ck around with trying to get a MAP sensor calibrated? Or figure out how to get it to run off our TPS?

Do what the JT fellow said and research Nistune. Bang for buck it can't be beat, and you've got the ability to do pretty much whatever a PFC can do. Except you're "stuck" with a MAF.

You also get to keep your ECU's self-diagnosis function.

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:39 pm

Buddyworm wrote:
So...you'd rather d!ck around with trying to get a MAP sensor calibrated? Or figure out how to get it to run off our TPS?

as stupid as it may sound to some...yes...yes i would, why not? some people have the patients for it....some dont...i do...so i say why not...

i spent 3 years d!ck around with CAD software and now next year i should be pulling in around 70k at a designer office for construction...and here all i was doing was d!ck around for 3 years....

Post by **themadscientist** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:43 pm

I was d!ck around earlier, the ffff f key is still a bit sticky.

Post by **NUT-CSE** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:14 am

Found a PFC here if it tickles your fancy........

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Apexi-P...wItem

Post by **themadscientist** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:29 am

1. It's in australia

2. It's almost certainly not a D-jetro

3. It does not include the commander.

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:53 am

themadscientist wrote:2. It's almost certainly not a D-jetro

commander is an easy fix...i just need to buy one...ive seeen a few ebay ones but just waiting for one to be below 1k with shipping,

as far as d'jetro ... isnt there a kit u can buy for like 300 and install it...or it wont recognize the CA PFC???cuz obviously the CA PFC was long ago discontinued...

man...why cant they make a universal PFC...

Post by **Buddyworm** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:01 pm

DALAZ_68 wrote:
as stupid as it may sound to some...yes...yes i would, why not? some people have the patients for it....some dont...i do...so i say why not...

i spent 3 years d!ck around with CAD software and now next year i should be pulling in around 70k at a designer office for construction...and here all i was doing was d!ck around for 3 years....

Hahaha, hey, I guess if you've got the right attitude about it give'r hell! Hey, if you're interested in d!ck around maybe you should figure out how to get a MAP setup working with nistune

Post by **themadscientist** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:07 pm

why do people cling to the PFC when there are full standalones that do the same or more for the same price and you can get them immediately and know the company is right there to help if you need it?

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:16 pm

themadscientist wrote:why do people cling to the PFC when there are full standalones that do the same or more for the same price and you can get them immediately and know the company is right there to help if you need it?

to be honest the reason i even considered Power FC is because its so well known...and honestly wouldnt u want to go with something thats proven over something uve never herd of...

i personally havent herd much on nistune so i have my homework ahead of me....hence why i made this thread... the main standalones ive herd are PFC,F con, and MS...but MS is deff not a plug and play stand alone wiht all the custome hasness and other stuff u have to put together

so in all honestly like ive done b4 ill take others more experience information and take note and find what i can on it....frankly uve given more resources...so im expand my horizon on this matter

Post by **jt15833** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:30 pm

ah interesting... map w/ nistune

are the advantages of a MAP justifiable?

it seems as if the biggest different between 1k+ systems (pfc, haltech, aem etc) and several hundred dollar systems (nistune, emanage) are the input sensors, MAP mainly. This is all speculation and I do not even know if all the 1k+ systems I listed utilize a MAP but that seems to be a big issue.

Post by **themadscientist** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:54 pm

don't know about the Nistune, if it's a full replacement computer. the E-manage however is a piggyback, it is not comparable to a standalone or replacement computers like the PFC and FCON V. It's a suoped up SAFC and ITC basically.

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:04 pm

themadscientist wrote:don't know about the Nistune, if it's a full replacement computer. the E-manage however is a piggyback, it is not comparable to a standalone or replacement computers like the PFC and FCON V. It's a suoped up SAFC and ITC basically.

yup yup...even the ultimate isnt a full standalone...but the nifty thing is....u can map out fuel and have to seperate mapping....performance and DD ...or so i read EMU is something that actually been in the back of my mined longer than standalone...but to make it worth while u have ot buy everything ...seperatly

Post by **Bwana** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:08 pm

Nistune CA18DET board install instructions

There ya go Mike. It's basically an interface board that's installed in the ecu allowing you the flexibility to fully program the factory ecu as opposed to a piggyback that just fools signals.

Post by **dash** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:59 am

a few 300+hp CA18s run the basic Emanage blue on sxoc. Some cars @20+psi on T3 or GT2871Good CA18 install writeup on this site somewhere

Most impressive results I've seen with piggybacks are folks who *really* understand what the unit is doing. Allows them to operate outside the limits of the unit then.

A fellow starion clubmember was the 1st case I've seen of Emanage Ultimate eliminating the AFM and running completely off MAP sensor.He said tuning was easier & more stable/consistent with MAP.Managed to run 28psi using EMU, still with stock starion TBI ecu.He's a very exoperienced tuner tho.

Would be interesting to see a CA18 run likewise... EMU & MAP sensor

Post by **ca18detgabby** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:07 am

not a huge fan of map sensors after researching what is involved vs a MAF.

I like the nistune choice if megasquirt was beyond my skills of install.

I would think a Z32 maf would be more than enough with a nistune. for most.

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