Pass First, Ask Questions Later ...

[stebo0728]

Ok this has been bickered about here many times, and thrown in as insult or whatnot, but lets actually discuss for a minute.

What part of passing a bill in order to figure out what is in the bill makes any sense whatsoever? Seriously? I mean that just sounds so patently absurd that webster should probably use it as an example for the word absurd. And how could you even begin to forgive, excuse, dismiss someone who actually SAYS something that absurd, and holds the postion Pelosi holds. Can anyone give a good reason why passing something to figure out what is in it makes any sense?

[heliochrome85]

Examples would help. that being said, i think a case could be made. the current situation our country is in is a situation that can not be fixed by normal measures. we are in uncharted territory. i dont see this huge threat to trying things outside the box. passing them and then seeing if/how they work, then tweaking. does it lend itself an air of incompitence? probably? is it actually a sign of incompetence? no.

[dusred]

To play the devil's advocate maybe she meant pass it not to see what's in it but to see the effect of the bill? Maybe? Not likely but maybe.

[audtatious]

Per Senator DeMint 94% of the bills are passed with NO debate, NO amendments, NO reading, NO online disclosures, and often, NO cost estimate from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B751mhY-QE

Ain't that special?

[AZhitman]

Examples would help. that being said, i think a case could be made. the current situation our country is in is a situation that can not be fixed by normal measures. we are in uncharted territory. i dont see this huge threat to trying things outside the box. passing them and then seeing if/how they work, then tweaking. does it lend itself an air of incompitence? probably? is it actually a sign of incompetence? no.

NO.

No freaking way.

NO.

Incompetence? No, that's too kind. How about insidiousness...

These times are no different than other hard times. "Uncharted territory" my a$$. You guys were born in the Clinton Administration for God's sakes... We've had "tougher" times as a nation, and no one resorted to such shady, backroom shenanigans. "Treasonous" comes to mind - not "incompetent".

[themadscientist]

I actually miss Bill Clinton now. I NEVER thought I would say that.

[AZhitman]

I actually miss Bill Clinton now. I NEVER thought I would say that.

Ditto. I'm actually ashamed that I thought so little of him... I can't wait until Billary's political aspirations are either met or dashed, so we can hear what they REALLY think of Oscar Proud... I mean President Obama.

[Cold_Zero]

Per Senator DeMint 94% of the bills are passed with NO debate, NO amendments, NO reading, NO online disclosures, and often, NO cost estimate from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B751mhY-QE

Ain't that special?

Behind close doors negotiations and added legislation to kill Private Student Lending.

Hey Matt,
You are an IT guy (so to speak) what happens when a project comes down the pipe and the Execs say, just build the system, so we can see what it does? No SDLC, no design and no architectural analysis. Just code it and put it in production. Heck, the Congress didnt even read the bill, I would be fired from my job if I didnt read the RTM, BSD, TSD (or LRPD) for a project.
While I understand that the Congress doesn’t have all the additional steps an IT department may have, there are some parallels.

[audtatious]

We never get so lucky as to have a customer tell us to show up and simply do something to "win" a big project that has no scope nor quantitative requirements. It is amazing how many customers have no valid SLA's for their RTO and RPO's so when they see the overall TCO they usually s*** a brick and try to blame someone else for the lack of budget.