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Saw this today and just had to share. This is why I never hand out any money to anyone begging for food / change. :tisk:



DEAR ABBY: I spent the afternoon running errands. As I left the shopping center, I saw a young couple with a baby and a toddler holding a sign requesting help with food, as the husband had just been laid off. I drove past, then considered the children and circled back.
I had no cash with me, so I stopped and offered them our family's dinner -- a jar of premium spaghetti sauce, a pound of fresh ground beef, a box of dried spaghetti, fruit cups that my children usually take to school for treats, and some canned soups I occasionally have for lunch.
Imagine my surprise when the couple declined my generosity. Instead, the man strongly suggested that I should go to a nearby ATM and withdraw cash to donate to them because they preferred to select their own groceries and pay their phone bills. What are your thoughts on this? -- GENUINELY PUZZLED IN AUSTIN, TEXAS
DEAR PUZZLED: What happened is a shame. Some families are truly in need and should be guided to a shelter so they can receive help getting back on their feet. However, in some cities you see the same people on the same streets for long periods of time. They have staked out their "turf," and because the money they are given is tax-free, some of them are doing quite well. In your case, the couple you saw holding the sign may have been professional panhandlers, and the children may have been "borrowed."


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The latest scam spreading across the midwest and especially the south is "Hey man, I just need some gas money so I can go see my sick mother I'm stranded blah blah blah"

Logically, the scam makes no sense. Why would anyone leave home without money for fuel to reach their intended destination? It would seem more sensible to ask for handouts in your home town before departing on your journey. I ran into this type of panhandler/scammer in Tampa and Atlanta with alarming (and annoying) frequency.

Another is a donation scam. They approach you at the gas station or in the parking lot and say they're with a church group. The guy will show you fake pamphlets about their charitable work and how they got him back on his feet. No legitimate religious organization does this and you can usually find them working in teams, using different scams on different sides of the parking lot or gas station.


Fortunately, our fairly unpleasant weather keeps most of these guys off the street for most of the year. California and Oregon have to put up with a ton of them.

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Jesda wrote:The latest scam spreading across the midwest and especially the south is "Hey man, I just need some gas money so I can go see my sick mother I'm stranded blah blah blah"

Logically, the scam makes no sense. Why would anyone leave home without money for fuel to reach their intended destination? It would seem more sensible to ask for handouts in your home town before departing on your journey. I ran into this type of panhandler/scammer in Tampa and Atlanta with alarming (and annoying) frequency.
The other option for this scam is when they say they've lost their wallet.

When this happens I offer to give them a couple of gallons of gas under the condition that I pump it. They usually decline the offer and I wonder outloud how they're getting to their destination.

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I've seen the same woman with different kids around various Metro stations in DC. She's always sitting down, holding a toddler and a sign asking for help.

I aint falling for that isht anymore. But I'm trying to figure out where the kids come from. Do a bunch of women swap kids and go out for the day?

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Jesda wrote:The latest scam spreading across the midwest and especially the south is "Hey man, I just need some gas money so I can go see my sick mother I'm stranded blah blah blah"

Logically, the scam makes no sense. Why would anyone leave home without money for fuel to reach their intended destination? It would seem more sensible to ask for handouts in your home town before departing on your journey. I ran into this type of panhandler/scammer in Tampa and Atlanta with alarming (and annoying) frequency.

I had a guy come up to me at a gas station asking for money for fuel saying "I ran out ha!" gesturing to a car that seemed to neatly run out of gas in a parking spot at the gas station. I made mention of that and also the fact I never carry cash. The gig was up.

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I cannot believe what some people do! The same thing happened to us at Walmart. A guy said he was hungry and needed money for food. MY wife offered to get him food from McDonald's just inside the door and he refused. I donate thru my church or other donation locations instead of giving directly to individuals. I used to give directly in the past, but not any longer.

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I just give them a couple bucks if I can. They could be scamming people, but then again, they could genuinely need help. I have no way of knowing for sure. 2 or 3 dollars isn't really going to set me back in the grand scheme of things, and if there is a chance that it can help someone in need, then I'm down.

It takes a certain type of scumbag to take advantage of people's trust and generosity though. And people wonder why no one is "nice" anymore.

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I have the best story period. I wear a suit many days of the week and I have a military style haircut.

I was parked at a quick trip after getting gas in my G and returning emails on my phone. My laptop was in my trunk before I left I got out to get it. I have pretty good situational awareness and out of the corner of my eye I saw a guy park at the pump across from me. As I walk to my trunk I can see him walking toward me so I stop and turn to face him. He walks up and says Hi, pause, man you sure look like a cop. I said yep can I help you with something. He says my car just ran out of gas. I said okay. Then he thanked me and quickly walked away. LOL none of these people are legit.

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I worked in San Francisco for years, and only gave money to a panhandler/bum once. A rainy New Years eve and the guy was huddled under an arch way not begging for money, just trying to stay warm and dry. Vast majority of them are scam artist wanting to cash in on your sympathy. My usually rebuttal to, "Hey, man got any spare change", is "Sorry, I don't have a spare job".

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once as a cop in NJ I gave what I thought to be a cold homeless man a new pair of boots... perhaps you read my story?

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frapjap wrote:
When this happens I offer to give them a couple of gallons of gas under the condition that I pump it. They usually decline the offer and I wonder outloud how they're getting to their destination.
Very true. I'm always willing to help somebody out but will pay for the item myself. The scam artists always decline and the ones that really need it will accept. I live near my states capital in Harrisburg, PA. There's a bar row up on 2nd street (which some Nicofest Carlisle people know) anyways on any given fri or Saturday night the panhandlers come out of the woodwork looking for handouts from those inebriated people walking bar to bar. It always freaks me out when they approach out of some dark alley. It really angers me to find that these same people in Harrisburg make up to 40,000 a year of tax free handouts. After a day sitting in the cold they drive away in a car they own to an apt or house.

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Panhandlers offend me in a special kind of way. There were some extremely obvious fakes around the area where I used to work in Salt Lake. I've been approached by the same guy within MINUTES with two different stories (outside different stores). I worked at night, when they seemed to come out in droves, like some kind of twisted wallet-suckling vampires. It didn't help that I worked on a street that served as the border between a seedy, run-down old neighborhood and a yuppieville shopping district. The worst of both worlds and plenty of self-adulating Volvo owners on their way to Whole Foods, ready to hand over cash to assuage their bleeding hearts. Since I don't even have a heart to bleed from, and don't drive anything Swedish, I was sort of disinclined to fork over my hard-earned moneys.

The fact that there ARE people out there who legitimately need a buck or two (imagine a buck or two making a difference!!!!) is what makes panhandlers appalling beyond nearly any comparison. I can't tell the difference, so I have the choice of being the a** who won't help, or the idiot who funds some smelly bastard's tax-free second job. I don't like either of those options.

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As a woman, I am very wary of anyone approaching me that looks suspicious, especially if I have the kids with me. I'm not getting within arm's reach of anyone to hand them anything. We don't have many panhandlers here is Surprise but they are fairly common downtown, especially as everyone who works at the capitol starts leaving for the day.

There was an older homeless lady who used to come by the restaurant I worked at after hours to see if we had anything left that we were just going to throw away. She would insist on doing something for it though. She would sweep up the parking lot or take the trash to the dumpster. She said she didn't want us to think she was a worthless beggar. She was a sweet old lady. To my knowledge, she was just down on her luck. I never smelled alcohol on her or saw her smoke a cigarette. She never once asked for money. She never came into the restaurant, she always sat by the back door on the curb. I have no idea where she spent her days or slept at night. I never asked and she never offered. There were many days though that we made her something to eat, regardless if we had leftovers or not.

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nissangirl74 wrote:
There was an older homeless lady who used to come by the restaurant I worked at after hours to see if we had anything left that we were just going to throw away. She would insist on doing something for it though. She would sweep up the parking lot or take the trash to the dumpster. She said she didn't want us to think she was a worthless beggar. She was a sweet old lady. To my knowledge, she was just down on her luck. I never smelled alcohol on her or saw her smoke a cigarette. She never once asked for money. She never came into the restaurant, she always sat by the back door on the curb. I have no idea where she spent her days or slept at night. I never asked and she never offered. There were many days though that we made her something to eat, regardless if we had leftovers or not.
That story reminds me of a quote from George Carlin.
"Bulimia! There’s another all-American disease. This has gotta be the only country in the world that could ever have come up with bulimia... gotta be the only country where some people are digging in the dumpster for a peach pit, other people eat a nice meal and puke it up intentionally!"

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It's really awkward trying to ignore them when I have the top down, so I turn the radio up and look straight ahead.

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Jesda wrote:It's really awkward trying to ignore them when I have the top down, so I turn the radio up and look straight ahead.
And thats when they hit you in the head with a pillowcase full of door knobs and make off with your sweet (now rare?) Saab Turbo! Best policy is to stare at them with evident rage glistening on your face. :bigthumb:

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MinisterofDOOM wrote:Since I don't even have a heart to bleed from, and don't drive anything Swedish, I was sort of disinclined to fork over my hard-earned moneys.

I wonder would a Koenigsegg soften your heart?
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Bad example, It's hard to be "soft" when looking at that.

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MinisterofDOOM wrote:Since I don't even have a heart to bleed from, and don't drive anything Swedish, I was sort of disinclined to fork over my hard-earned moneys.

I wonder would a Koenigsegg soften your heart?
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You can't soften what doesn't exist.

But one doesn't need a heart to want an Agera.


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