Palin is CRAZY!!!!

[BusyBadger]

I'll take the old man and crazy lady over two face and his sidekick lap dog any day.

LOL funny and sig worthy.

Crazy I can deal with, but the dishonesty and double-talk that I get from the other side is something I cannot.

[HashiriyaS14]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise of thereof.

My friend if they legislate religion on you, I would stand up for your constitutional right. But also look at the second part of the free exercise clause.

Yep

This is why, generally, the government hesitates to make any law that is based on religious grounds (i.e. a national abortion ban or something) because it would insinuate "an establishment of religion".

That said, this is also why they can't stop individual students from praying before they eat lunch (nor should they, obviously), because that would be "prohibiting free exercise"

Obviously I'm not directing this towards you Bud, but I reckon we've got a few users in here who aren't terribly familiar with the establishment clause.

[audtatious]

Freaking she doesnt even know what a VP does, let alone get the job descritipion right; 3 times in a row for christ's sake.

Article I of the Constitution states that "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no vote, unless they be equally divided." The vice president can also preside over floor debate in the Senate.

Mountain, meet mole hill.

The RNC just dropped more then 150,000 for her wardrobe, which jesus, probably would have been smarter to drop that cash into some public speaking training.

Until you compare her clothing allowance to what Obama/Biden/McCain spends then you really have nothing to complain about. Obama has stated he gets his suits from Nordstrom's and Bloomingdale's and I'm sure he's not paying out of pocket either.

Seriously, I mean people should be taking the hint that this is bad when the RNC is keeping or "hidding" her from the press so she doesnt make "whoopies" again. I mean thats a huge WTF!?

Yeah, she was relatively kept away from the MSM and while I don't approve I kinda understand as well. This changed earlier this week and she has started doing interviews again. Of course, it does not help when the CNN guy this week took comments out of context from elsewhere (National Review article in this case) in order to try and stump her. They are not doing this to Obama nor Biden so why is it OK to do it to Palin? Political agenda?

Shes firing up these rallies where hate slander is being constantly shouted, and you know the way she talks, shes maniuplating the crowd to make em do that.

You mean the shouts of "Kill Him"? That story has already been dismissed by the Secret Service. Maybe you should read more than left-handed rhetoric?

Shes huge on religion, and you know they are going to get it into gov't as fast as she could skin a ****ing moose. She felt it was "God's plan" to go to war with Iraq and "Build a pipeline for oil in her home state". I can not believe this crap. WHAT IS GOING ON!? OMGWTFBBQSAUCE!!!!

So what? Oh, you believe anyone who is "religious" in nature is an idiot and will force their views on you, huh? Yeah, Bush has really forced his views on you and Palin sure has forced her religious views on all residents of Alaska too. NOT! Your Mr Obama is supposed to be highly religious too so you may as well look elsewhere to cast your vote.

I'd rather vote for a rock with moss on it rather Palin....McCain would probably have my vote if he had a rock with moss for a running mate

Keep doing the Ostrich.

[HashiriyaS14]

I will say that, as many of you know, I think Palin was an enormous mistake.

I do *NOT* buy the line that conservatives would have stayed home in November if McCain had picked Romney or Ridge. I think they're smart enough to know that McCain/Ridge is still better for them than Obama/Biden.

Palin is hurting McCain in the only segment that matters, centrist voters.

Additionally, I happen to think that the woman is an abomination and that she represents everything that has gone wrong with the GOP, but I'm not going to expound too greatly on my personal subjective viewpoints.

It is NOT subjective, however, that she was a poor political decision. McCain walked too far to the right and at the wrong times in an election environment that was slanted abnormally left to begin with. He should have run as the GOP equivalent of Clinton (centrist), not the GOP equivalent of Al Franken (extremist). It would have provided an appealing contrast to a farther-left-than-average candidate like Obama. The GOP base isn't going to decide this one and anyone with half a brain, even a year ago, could've called it (I did). He screwed up, period.

[audtatious]

Additionally, I happen to think that the woman is an abomination and that she represents everything that has gone wrong with the GOP,

I feel the same about Obama, Reid and Pelosi.....

[HashiriyaS14]

I feel the same about Obama, Reid and Pelosi.....

And you are certainly entitled to that opinion.

Oddly enough, I bet that places you and Bill Clinton firmly in the same camp. He probably resents what they've made of the house he rebuilt.

EDIT: Don't want to comment on what I said about Palin being bad strategy?

[telcoman]

I feel the same about Obama, Reid and Pelosi.....

You sir are in a small minority that will be proved to the world on November 4th

Telcoman

[confedup]

And you are a small-minded fool if you think this election is wrapped up nice and tight like a gift under the Christmas tree........

[96Qowner]

How come no red flags are beening thrown?! Freaking she doesnt even know what a VP does, let alone get the job descritipion right; 3 times in a row for christ's sake.

Um, the "job description" is whatever the President says it is. What do you mean she doesn't "know" what it is? What was Johnson's "job description"? What was Ford's? What was Mondale's? What was Bush's? Quayle's? Gore's? Cheney's? Did Chaney's and Quayle serve the same function, the same role? Sheesh. Look, McCain knows the Senate, knows the players, has long-standing relationships with all the Senate leaders. he would be VERY effective in getting legislation passed - legislation to his liking. Palin could be a very effective liaison in the Senate as a representative of the McCain's Executive Branch. It's that simple. It's astounding that our glorious media can't seem to rise above stupid. Be careful when you listen to them. Their sole job is to keep eyes on the screen for when the commercials come on.

The RNC just dropped more then 150,000 for her wardrobe, which jesus, probably would have been smarter to drop that cash into some public speaking training.....or maybe even towards surgically removing her head from her ***?

Huh? You think she's dumb, therefore she shouldn't be well-dressed? Stop for a minute and think about how that reflects back on yourself.

Seriously, I mean people should be taking the hint that this is bad when the RNC is keeping or "hidding" her from the press so she doesnt make "whoopies" again. I mean thats a huge WTF!? Shes firing up these rallies where hate slander is being constantly shouted, and you know the way she talks, shes maniuplating the crowd to make em do that.

So, what's your problem? Which do you want? You're upset because a political candidate is "manipulating the crowd"? LOL! Some people think it's ok to point out that Obama is a dangerous candidate for President, myself included. You say WTF? about Palin, I say WTF? about Obama. And ... um ... you might look a little further into what the crowd actually shouted. It seems our glorious media got that wrong, go figure. remember, eyes on the screen for the commercials.

Shes huge on religion, and you know they are going to get it into gov't as fast as she could skin a ****ing moose. She felt it was "God's plan" to go to war with Iraq and "Build a pipeline for oil in her home state". I can not believe this crap. WHAT IS GOING ON!? OMGWTFBBQSAUCE!!!!

Again, you haven't been paying attention. Sarah has explicitly said on several occasions when asked, that she has NO desire to inject her religious views into government. She has NEVER done anything of the sort.

I'd rather vote for a rock with moss on it rather Palin....McCain would probably have my vote if he had a rock with moss for a running mate

What the heck do YOU think the role of a VP is? The VP does NOTHING. Here are a few quotes about the VP's role:

Perhaps more famous was the way that the office was dismissed by FDR veep John Nance Garner, who referred to his decision to take the job as “the worst damn fool mistake I ever made.” Later, when another famous Texas Democrat, Lyndon Johnson, sought out Garner’s opinion on whether to pursue the job, Garner told LBJ the job wasn’t worth a “warm pitcher of [micturated fluid].” The comment was famously bowdlerized by the newspapers as a “warm bucket of spit.”

“I go to funerals. I go to earthquakes.” — Nelson Rockefeller, who was frustrated in the vice presidency.

“I never had a boss. I don’t know how I’d handle it.” Sen. Joseph Biden, asked in July about the possibility that he might be selected to be Barack Obama’s running mate.

“The vice president has two duties. One is to inquire daily as to the health of the president, and the other is to attend the funerals of Third World dictators. And neither of those do I find an enjoyable exercise.” Presidential candidate John McCain, in 2000, addressing questions about whether he would consider serving as rival candidate George Bush’s vice president.

So, you can vote for McCain without being afraid that Palin will force you to go to church, or that she doesn't know what the VP job is. You gotta be careful about listening to the media. Sometimes they "manipulate" their audience for entertainment's sake. People watch more commercials when they're entertained.

[AZhitman]

Their sole job is to keep eyes on the screen for when the commercials come on.

Brilliantly and succinctly-put.

[AZhitman]

You're upset because a political candidate is "manipulating the crowd"?

I hope he doesn't find out about the Obama appearance AFTER the free concert... Think all those people showed up to see him?

Think about it - They think we're all buffoons. Ask anyone from Europe.

“I never had a boss. I don’t know how I’d handle it.” Sen. Joseph Biden, asked in July about the possibility that he might be selected to be Barack Obama’s running mate.

“The vice president has two duties. One is to inquire daily as to the health of the president, and the other is to attend the funerals of Third World dictators. And neither of those do I find an enjoyable exercise.” Presidential candidate John McCain, in 2000

Freakin' awesome. I love those quotes.

[x240xdrifter]

Article I of the Constitution states that "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no vote, unless they be equally divided." The vice president can also preside over floor debate in the Senate.

Mountain, meet mole hill.

Ah yes, but her only duty is to cast a tie breaking vote, she claims shes in power of the Senate and can "make some real policy changes" and that to me scares me

Until you compare her clothing allowance to what Obama/Biden/McCain spends then you really have nothing to complain about. Obama has stated he gets his suits from Nordstrom's and Bloomingdale's and I'm sure he's not paying out of pocket either.

True, I won't argue that, but seems kinda funny how the RNC promotes Palin to be this "hockey mom thats not so different from you and I, who had to scrap and cut to pay the bills" and they got her on a 18k clothing budget a week.......kinda screws up that orginal view, no? Plus it was election campaign money, i think it was money that could have been put to better use...like more hate calls haha

Yeah, she was relatively kept away from the MSM and while I don't approve I kinda understand as well. This changed earlier this week and she has started doing interviews again. Of course, it does not help when the CNN guy this week took comments out of context from elsewhere (National Review article in this case) in order to try and stump her. They are not doing this to Obama nor Biden so why is it OK to do it to Palin? Political agenda?

Thing is if Obama or Biden were asked those questions, more than likely they could answer it...McCain too...hell any politicain, not trying to bring partisian uproar here. But it really kills my confidence when the RNC is gotta keep the village idot out of the limelight infear that she'll say something stupid again....and again.....and aggggain.

You mean the shouts of "Kill Him"? That story has already been dismissed by the Secret Service. Maybe you should read more than left-handed rhetoric?

There has been thousands of hate vids, quotes, and media towards obama, that is deff. not rhetoric. Though your more then likely right, some of it is rhetoric, not all of it and thats just terrible, and if McCain was in this position i would feel the same way, once again, not trying to promote one side or the other. I just really dislike Palin.

So what? Oh, you believe anyone who is "religious" in nature is an idiot and will force their views on you, huh? Yeah, Bush has really forced his views on you and Palin sure has forced her religious views on all residents of Alaska too. NOT! Your Mr Obama is supposed to be highly religious too so you may as well look elsewhere to cast your vote.

Once again i have to say, no I dont believe anyone who is religious is a idot and trying to force their ideas on me ( though alot do try to force their views on you, any religion does) I am saying strictly, religion and poltics should be split, your more then welcome to have any religious views you want. Its your right to, but I do not like seeing politics mixed with religion thats it. I also dont want to see peoples religion affecting the laws or desicions they make or inact, not saying they will. I am only saying this cause this is what scares me when people bring religion into politics.

Keep doing the Ostrich.

Shelia?

with that said, i am not trying to envoke a Obama vs. McCain ordeal. I dont even like obama thhhaaat much, and i share alot of republician ideas, seriously. Im more in the middle really. I just dont want to see palin in office. thats it.

[x240xdrifter]

Um, the "job description" is whatever the President says it is. What do you mean she doesn't "know" what it is? What was Johnson's "job description"? What was Ford's? What was Mondale's? What was Bush's? Quayle's? Gore's? Cheney's? Did Chaney's and Quayle serve the same function, the same role? Sheesh. Look, McCain knows the Senate, knows the players, has long-standing relationships with all the Senate leaders. he would be VERY effective in getting legislation passed - legislation to his liking. Palin could be a very effective liaison in the Senate as a representative of the McCain's Executive Branch. It's that simple. It's astounding that our glorious media can't seem to rise above stupid. Be careful when you listen to them. Their sole job is to keep eyes on the screen for when the commercials come on..

good point! only reason i brought that idea up is cause she thinks she has more power then what she actually has.

So, what's your problem? Which do you want? You're upset because a political candidate is "manipulating the crowd"? LOL! Some people think it's ok to point out that Obama is a dangerous candidate for President, myself included. You say WTF? about Palin, I say WTF? about Obama. And ... um ... you might look a little further into what the crowd actually shouted. It seems our glorious media got that wrong, go figure. remember, eyes on the screen for the commercials..

really cant deny with that statement, manipulation and politician go hand in hand no matter what. And corruption will always be in politics

Again, you haven't been paying attention. Sarah has explicitly said on several occasions when asked, that she has NO desire to inject her religious views into government. She has NEVER done anything of the sort. .

I never heard that one, must of missed the memo haha

What the heck do YOU think the role of a VP is? The VP does NOTHING. Here are a few quotes about the VP's role:

“The vice president has two duties. One is to inquire daily as to the health of the president, and the other is to attend the funerals of Third World dictators. And neither of those do I find an enjoyable exercise.” Presidential candidate John McCain, in 2000, addressing questions about whether he would consider serving as rival candidate George Bush’s vice president.

So, you can vote for McCain without being afraid that Palin will force you to go to church, or that she doesn't know what the VP job is. You gotta be careful about listening to the media. Sometimes they "manipulate" their audience for entertainment's sake. People watch more commercials when they're entertained.

really good, agreeable statement

[audtatious]

Ah yes, but her only duty is to cast a tie breaking vote, she claims shes in power of the Senate and can "make some real policy changes" and that to me scares me

She lobbies for the President and as the Constitution states she is the President of the Senate. She does not initiate policy but she can speak with the legislators on the Prez behalf. Just because VP's usually don't do that anymore does not make it wrong or improper.

True, I won't argue that, but seems kinda funny how the RNC promotes Palin to be this "hockey mom thats not so different from you and I, who had to scrap and cut to pay the bills" and they got her on a 18k clothing budget a week.......kinda screws up that orginal view, no? Plus it was election campaign money, i think it was money that could have been put to better use...like more hate calls haha

It's a Catch22 issue. If she showed up in Kmart clothes then the left would be proclaiming it shows what a redneck and hick she is.

Thing is if Obama or Biden were asked those questions, more than likely they could answer it...McCain too...hell any politicain, not trying to bring partisian uproar here. But it really kills my confidence when the RNC is gotta keep the village idot out of the limelight infear that she'll say something stupid again....and again.....and aggggain.

A few, yes. Most of her interview gaffs came within weeks of the nomination. The rest has been primarily due to the interviewers trying to get "kudo's" by hanging her up and asking the same inane stuff or twisting things around to get a sound bite. It would be nice to see a real interview instead of going over the same 'ole "he said she said" stuff.

There has been thousands of hate vids, quotes, and media towards obama, that is deff. not rhetoric. Though your more then likely right, some of it is rhetoric, not all of it and thats just terrible, and if McCain was in this position i would feel the same way, once again, not trying to promote one side or the other. I just really dislike Palin.

Nope, not all of it is rhetoric but the path always leads to it. Really sux. I see Palin as someone who will work towards some form of reform in Gov. I don't see her being a "religious fanatic" as significant as she has never tried to press forth her faith onto others and I don't expect her to do it if McCain wins.

Once again i have to say, no I dont believe anyone who is religious is a idot and trying to force their ideas on me ( though alot do try to force their views on you, any religion does) I am saying strictly, religion and poltics should be split, your more then welcome to have any religious views you want. Its your right to, but I do not like seeing politics mixed with religion thats it. I also dont want to see peoples religion affecting the laws or desicions they make or inact, not saying they will. I am only saying this cause this is what scares me when people bring religion into politics.

Religion or lack there-of is part of a persons upbringing. It's part of the person and you can't simply step away. Obama is a Christian as well and because he supports abortion he seems to have an "out". Honestly, I had rather have someone who has learned some religious upbringing in office as I feel there is more of an opportunity for them to share some of the same beliefs as I do whereas those who constantly spew hate towards those with religion are more apt to intentionally put things in place out of spite. It's a "I don't legislate to you so don't legislate to me" issue.

Shelia?

Head stuck in the sand Though your replies are much better this time and are less "rhetorically challenged" which makes things much better, so I withdraw the comment

with that said, i am not trying to envoke a Obama vs. McCain ordeal. I dont even like obama thhhaaat much, and i share alot of republician ideas, seriously. Im more in the middle really. I just dont want to see palin in office. thats it.

I don't see Palin getting into office to be of any significance to what you are saying. She may at times wear her religion on her sleeve based upon comments but she is far from ruled by it. If that were the case she would have a history of imposing religious beliefs into Alaska law. She doesn't so there should be no issue at all.

[480sx]

What the heck do YOU think the role of a VP is? The VP does NOTHING.

You apparently dont know what Cheney has done with the VP seat. Im not 100 percent sure either, very few people are. However he has changed the job of VP forever by increasing the seats power tremendously. He is without a doubt the most powerful VP ever to hold the seat. He has appointed soo many people in different areas of govt, his influence will live on for a very long time. Im not sure if the next VP will pick up where he left off, but once a position of power has been established, the next holder of that position is very unlikely to lose ground his predecessor has gained.

Not to mention the VP is the next in line to become President if he/she dies. That is enough power IMO, especially when you have a 70 year old man as a presidential candidate.

[themadscientist]

Vat is all ziss discussion about me for?

Cheney isn't running, get over it. MILF on deck to scare the libbies.

[audtatious]

Obama smokes and is nearing his 50's. He can die any day as well