http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/un-recogniz ... -1.1058351

Took long enough.

Let's see if this changes anything over there.

Big mistake....even Mrs. Clinton assessed it as much

stebo0728 wrote:Big mistake....even Mrs. Clinton assessed it as much

How so?

139-40 seems like an overwhelming majority, IMO.

Clinton has to say that as the US, unfortunately, is an ally to Israel and doesn't want to be dragged back in.

Palestine should only be legitimized through talks with Israel. Its not the UN's place to force the issue. Israel is positioned to do so, but only at the cost of guaranteed cease fire from Hamas rockets.

EDIT - Oh and some sort of reassurance that the new border wont be contested 6 months later.

stebo0728 wrote:Palestine should only be legitimized through talks with Israel. Its not the UN's place to force the issue. Israel is positioned to do so, but only at the cost of guaranteed cease fire from Hamas rockets.

EDIT - Oh and some sort of reassurance that the new border wont be contested 6 months later.

Was going to comment on your second point but again, more or less in agreement on stipulations of your edit and some of sort of safe access out of Palestine.

bigbadberry3 wrote: Clinton has to say that as the US, unfortunately, is an ally to Israel and doesn't want to be dragged back in.

I don't buy this either. I don't see Clinton as any large degree Pro Israel, and the President has made it clear through his actions that he's not largely pro Israel at all. No, I think Clinton realizes the dangers of breathing legitimacy into group that has yet to denounce its radical violent ways and come sit at the adult table for once. Its rewarding bad behavior, and besides, the Gaza strip is Israels to concede, for a return on investment that looks alot more peaceful than the past decade. When that finally looks like a safe investment, you'll see Israel move closer to the line of scrimmage.

stebo0728 wrote:Palestine should only be legitimized through talks with Israel. Its not the UN's place to force the issue. Israel is positioned to do so, but only at the cost of guaranteed cease fire from Hamas rockets.

EDIT - Oh and some sort of reassurance that the new border wont be contested 6 months later.

There would be no Israel if not for foreign force incluing the UN.
http://history.state.gov/milestones/194 ... tionIsrael

Throughout 1947, the United Nations Special Commission on Palestine examined the Palestinian question and recommended the partition of Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state. On November 29, 1947 the United Nations adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that would divide Great Britain's former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948 when the British mandate was scheduled to end. Under the resolution, the area of religious significance surrounding Jerusalem would remain a corpus separatum under international control administered by the United Nations.

Oh c'mon Israel

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 01&index=0

stebo0728 wrote:I think Clinton realizes the dangers of breathing legitimacy into group that has yet to denounce its radical violent ways and come sit at the adult table for once. Its rewarding bad behavior...

Furthermore, look at the debacles stemming from the Arab Spring where BO pitched his support. Hilly is too smart for that, and at this point she has her own future to consider as opposed to being a mouthpiece for the Oval Office - Bill had somebody on staff for that when he was in Office and Hillary didn't like it very much.

If push came to shove Hillary would step down before she'd let that happen. She knows which way the wind blows when it comes to the American people and terrorlst organizations, knows that BO is on his way out (even if it's four years in the making) and she's got the integrity and backbone to say how she feels - public opinion be damned.

To quote James Carville, "If Hillary gave Barack one of her balls they'd both have a pair."