Ok, heres the deal.....
I got the oxygen sensors... however, they arent the NGKs most people get here......
The part numbers are: 22690-67u12 and 22690-64u06.
However, I am charging $100 each (VERY minimal to what I have to pay)...
The NGKs are $60 a piece..
My question is, is there enough difference for someone to pay the extra $40... Are the NGKs inferior to the OEMs??? Maybe they dont last as long?
Im doing this as a service to the members, not to make money. If theres no difference, I probably wouldnt pay the extra for the other ones...
I did a <brief> search and Dennis said that he hasnt used the NGKs from sparkplugs.com so he is unaware of any differences good or bad... However, he has said that he uses ONLY OEM parts.....
Oxygen sensors.. I got em, but...
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HeavyDuty
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I have a pair of the NGK's in my toolbox, Wes. I forgot the previous owner had just replaced the ones on my car with oem's before I bought it.
I wouldn't hesitate to use the NGK's though, the ones I have do have a plug in. The OEM's are probably NGK or Bosch (blekk) anyway.
As far as splice in's......remember you're dealing with .1-.5v, not a time for wire-nuts.
I wouldn't hesitate to use the NGK's though, the ones I have do have a plug in. The OEM's are probably NGK or Bosch (blekk) anyway.
As far as splice in's......remember you're dealing with .1-.5v, not a time for wire-nuts.
Q451990 wrote:I used the OEM because I didn't want to have any chance of problems and I wanted my harness length to be perfect, but I've never heard of problems with the NGK types.
Heath
The 2 OEMs and the generic NGK w/connector are all pretty much the same length...to within about 1/2". The factory ones do come with correctly-spaced plastic clips made for factory attach points; the NGKs come with plastic zip-ties. I went with factory when I replaced mine, but if/when I have to do it again, I'll probably opt for the 1/2 price NGKs unless I hear something bad about them.
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Lots of times people confuse [THINK] Bosch USA, BOSCH GERMANY, and Bosch Japan are the same company...............not since WORLD WAR II.
Same names many cross licensed products but serious differences in the line.
Bosch USA sells some real junk with their name on it fom their rebuild factory in asia.Drives the BMW/MB/Audi guys crazy.......they think they are buying oem quality not 3rd world repaints.
Sometimes the same with Japanese quality control rejects [products sold as scrap] they find their way into US and having the brand name are assumed to be perfect..........maybe yes make no.
Unfortunately you have to pay double [the dealer retail price] to know for sure what you are getting.
Same names many cross licensed products but serious differences in the line.
Bosch USA sells some real junk with their name on it fom their rebuild factory in asia.Drives the BMW/MB/Audi guys crazy.......they think they are buying oem quality not 3rd world repaints.
Sometimes the same with Japanese quality control rejects [products sold as scrap] they find their way into US and having the brand name are assumed to be perfect..........maybe yes make no.
Unfortunately you have to pay double [the dealer retail price] to know for sure what you are getting.
Bosch USA as a company, is stolen property, from its rightful owners.Same as Merck USA, and the "czech" "Budweiser" Beer and many others.
In the case of the Beer firm the details are particularily ugly (beating to death, rape, torture of the actual owners and their employees and families as well as nearly all native inhabitants of Budweis between 1945 to 1949; nearly all current inhabitants of Budweis (now called "Ceske Budowice" or some such) are decended from the murderers who did this).But when they sell the Beer, they try to use the good name of their victims.
needless to say not only do I boycott So called "Czech Budweiser" but I wont buy from any company, that does business with that firm (which includes "liquor barn")
Fred..
PS: Sorry about the thread hijack folks, but what makes this especially irksome, is that to this day, a blanket amnesty , the so-called "Benes decrees" shield all surviving criminals from prosecution, regardless of the nature of the crime to include Murder 1, as long as the victims were of either german or hungarian descent.The Benes decrees are still valid law in the Czech Republic to this day!
In the case of the Beer firm the details are particularily ugly (beating to death, rape, torture of the actual owners and their employees and families as well as nearly all native inhabitants of Budweis between 1945 to 1949; nearly all current inhabitants of Budweis (now called "Ceske Budowice" or some such) are decended from the murderers who did this).But when they sell the Beer, they try to use the good name of their victims.
needless to say not only do I boycott So called "Czech Budweiser" but I wont buy from any company, that does business with that firm (which includes "liquor barn")
Fred..
PS: Sorry about the thread hijack folks, but what makes this especially irksome, is that to this day, a blanket amnesty , the so-called "Benes decrees" shield all surviving criminals from prosecution, regardless of the nature of the crime to include Murder 1, as long as the victims were of either german or hungarian descent.The Benes decrees are still valid law in the Czech Republic to this day!
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I learned something about Ford a while back. They have different o2 sensor calibrations marked by the color of the sheathing between the sensor & connector. Grey, Green, Black, etc.
Must have a VIN to get the right ones, even in the same year/model, mine was a 98.
Never heard of that on any other app.
Hard to go wrong with OE stuff, AZ, even if it's painfull, it's one less thing to replace again anytime soon.
Must have a VIN to get the right ones, even in the same year/model, mine was a 98.
Never heard of that on any other app.
Hard to go wrong with OE stuff, AZ, even if it's painfull, it's one less thing to replace again anytime soon.
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At least early O2 are nothing but switches [in a sense] as the ecu only looks for the transistion [crossover at 0.45 volts].
The ecu knows what should be right [assumming that the engine hasn't changed [restricted air flow] or the injectors worn or cruded up.
The Consult shows a block learn percentage [how much the mixture is deviating from the norm [how much extra or less the injectors are being forced to compensate for.
The problem is at 2.4 millisecs 0.1 milisecs is 4% so you see the AVERAGE mixture ratio over time not the individual errors.
You can open 4 injectors the same and have 2 rich and 2 lean or one very very lean and 3 rich and the O2 AVERAGE is happy.
Unless you look at the waveforms you won't see the problem!
At least each bank is separately adjustable by ecu.
OBD2 ecu tries to look at the waveform and decide if each cylinder is firing [at least] not if the mixture is perfect just that the cylinder is working.
OBD III will try to fix the mixture for each cylinder.
The ecu knows what should be right [assumming that the engine hasn't changed [restricted air flow] or the injectors worn or cruded up.
The Consult shows a block learn percentage [how much the mixture is deviating from the norm [how much extra or less the injectors are being forced to compensate for.
The problem is at 2.4 millisecs 0.1 milisecs is 4% so you see the AVERAGE mixture ratio over time not the individual errors.
You can open 4 injectors the same and have 2 rich and 2 lean or one very very lean and 3 rich and the O2 AVERAGE is happy.
Unless you look at the waveforms you won't see the problem!
At least each bank is separately adjustable by ecu.
OBD2 ecu tries to look at the waveform and decide if each cylinder is firing [at least] not if the mixture is perfect just that the cylinder is working.
OBD III will try to fix the mixture for each cylinder.
The NGK's from Sparkplugs.com fit perfectly and seem to be equal in performance to the original JEC/Bosch units. The only things missing were the little push in harness connectors.
In fact, if I could buy a box of those connectors, I could replace the other dozen I have snapped trying to get them loose...
In fact, if I could buy a box of those connectors, I could replace the other dozen I have snapped trying to get them loose...
I bought my O2 sensors from sparkplugs.com as well. No problems and a perfect fit. Half the price of your supplier. I would push these instead.
Nick
p.s. they also have a very good customer service department. They weren't able to get my shipment out the day I ordered it so they overnighted it the next day at no extra charge.
Nick
p.s. they also have a very good customer service department. They weren't able to get my shipment out the day I ordered it so they overnighted it the next day at no extra charge.