Ownership Experience So Far - 2008 EX35

Discussion of Infiniti's amazing (and underrated) sport-luxury crossovers, the EX35 and EX37. For 2014, the EX series will be renamed QX50, in line with Ininfiit's new naming conventions.
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NJGuy
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Before posting, I decided to skim through the 50 or so pages of threads in this forum so I don't keep repeating too many topics that have been beat to death.

It's been about 3 weeks since my wife and I purchased her Liquid Platinum 2008 EX AWD Journey with wheat interior. It's well equipped, with what I believe are the Premium, Navigation, and Technology Packages along with Wood Trim and Roof Rails.

The EX replaces her 2006 Honda Accord EX-L 4 cyl. w/ 5spd AT, which served us very well for 122K miles. While my wife thought her Accord was fine, she started to get the itch for something newer, different, and nicer.

The wife started throwing around lots of names of certain car models she thought that she liked: X3, XC60, Q5, X5, XC90, EX35, RDX, MDX, Yukon, Suburban, Expedition, etc. She was generally looking at luxury SUVs, and some of the large ones as well. However, since we only have a modestly sized one car garage, she focused more on the compact ones. After all, she's the one who parks inside and she didn't want to give up that perk.

While I like to drive 'sporty' type cars, I like to spend my money on cars that will give me a great ownership experience. To me, that means having a car that drives pretty well, but won't give me headaches from equipment problems and operating cost. I've traditionally been a Honda fan, and I still own a 2005 Pilot for family and household duties.

My wife traditionally likes to buy her cars new. She's also developed a taste for higher end trim packages. However, with some of the cars she had in mind, I didn't want us to shell out near $40K+ for any of them.

Quickly going through her list, I know that I probably wouldn't budge if she wanted a European vehicle. I admit that they are nice, but the practical side of me was deathly afraid of the maintenance and repair costs once the warranty and/or free maintenance periods ended. I like to work on cars sometimes, and some of those makes seem to be difficult to service. Also, it seemed like some of the European models were still too new to show any reliability data or to buy at a decent price .

While Lexus puts out some nice cars as well, my wife didn't really seem too interested in their models.

I would have considered the RDX, but we honestly never got to check one out. Even though I'm a Honda/Acura fan, I wasn't sold on the turbo engine they used. In addition, we know some people who own one and my wife didn't want to have the same car as them. And from what I have read from you guys in comparisons with the EX, it seems like we picked the right car.

I have very limited experience with Nissan vehicles and virtually none with their Infiniti line. However, I couldn't really rule them out either. The only negatives I could think of for the EX were that the interior looked a little tight, and that we never see any; I figure higher volume models are easier to get parts and accessories for.

Then one day while driving past our local Honda dealership, my wife saw the EX in front on display. When she got home, she told me to call our favorite salesman there. We weren't planning to get another car and I really didn't want to go there, but I figured that I'd be fair and take a look at it with her. We checked it out first on the dealer's website, and it had four things she really wanted: AWD, navigation, a backup camera, and a luxury nameplate :) . When we got there and checked out the car, she was in love. The test drives were pretty much just a formality, since they are mandatory for any car we buy. Although the vehicle was not brand new, it was in excellent condition, had low miles, and the price was right. A few hours later, after some negotiation and number crunching, the Accord belonged to the dealership, and the EX belonged to us (well, it belonged to her really) :) .

I know this is like comparing apples to honeydew melons, but I will be primarily comparing the EX to the Accord. Please bear in mind that it may sound like I will be bashing the EX, but I am not. If I felt that negatively towards the EX, I would've crushed my wife's spirits and flat out refused to let her get it. Besides, I'm just a stubborn, biased, and picky person when it comes to my taste in cars, and could find fault in almost anything if I wanted to :) .

Driving Experience: The EX drives quite nicely. I'd say that the steering feel comparable to the Accord, but would give the Accord a tiny edge. If the EX had 18" rims it might have improved, though I'm not really sure. Since the EX has a higher center of gravity and ride height, it leans a little bit more in corners. The Accord felt very confident being pushed in the corners once I put the Michelin Primacy MXV4s on it. I haven't really had a chance to push the EX in the curves, so I can't really compare it (and my wife would not be too happy if I did) :) . Like some of you have mentioned, the visibility is hampered by the rear head restraints. Since the Accord only had 'ok' sight lines, I don't think it's visibility from the driver's seat was that much better than the EX's. The seating height does help visibility when compared to the low seat of the Accord. The Accord's K24 engine was very nice for a N/A 4 cyl, but is obviously blown away by the power of the VQ35. Torque off the line isn't huge, but the passing power easily presents itself when summoned. The transmission sport mode would be really nice if the upshift/downshift positions were reversed; I find the positions counterintuitive when compared to true manual transmissions, which I used to drive back in the day.

Comfort: The Accord never had a jarring ride, but it was just a little bit on the stiffer side. The EX suspension seems to be more compliant. The 17" wheels, generous sidewall, slightly higher ride height, and Michelin Latitude tires probably help in this department. I can't really comment on the amount of road noise when comparing the two, because I'm used to the loudness of my Pilot. I heard that the VQ35 has a reputation of being a bit unrefined at times, but I never experienced it. The Accord driver seat fit me like a glove. The EX driver seat fits me well with it's many adjustments, and the memory positioning is convenient. I already expected the EX's rear seats to be tighter, but they don't seem to give up that much space when compared to the Accord.

Convenience Features: Well, the only advantage I could give to the Accord was that it had lots of convenient bins, cubbies, and cupholders, which Honda always seems to do right. Otherwise, the EX is loaded to the gills with technological bells and whistles. Pretty much no comparison here.

Quality/reliability: The Accord was pretty damn good in my book. I had no real issues with fit and finish. There were only a few issues I had with it. 1. Weak battery, which I upgraded to the V6 version. 2. OEM tires; the MXV4 Energy tires lasted long and gave good gas mileage, but seemed a little stiff and slippery in the wet. When they wore out, the Primacys went on and were a big improvement. 3. Light bulb for seat heater switch went out; I never bothered to replace it. 4. Vibrating brakes. I changed out the stock rotors early and the pads with aftermarket parts. The vibration eventually returned, but not as much as before. 5. Door check started to go bad. I didn't bother to fix it. 6. O2 sensor went out after 110K miles, which I easily replaced.

While I can't comment on the reliability of the EX, it seems like the one we have hasn't had any issues. And based on the what's been posted in the forum, it doesn't seem like there are many problems with this model. The fit and finish are good. And the car was made in Japan, which traditionally means that the quality should be top notch.

Ownership costs: Again, knowing that the EX is a luxury vehicle, I know that ownership costs will be higher. The Accord ran on regular gas, had 6-7K mile oil change intervals, and was easy and cheap to maintain. That's something I'll miss about that car, as it probably was only halfway through its life. The EX maintenance intervals are shorter, recommends premium, and gets worse gas mileage. However, to be fair, the Accord probably averaged between 26-28 mpg, while the EX is getting about 21.5 or so being driven on the same routes. It always seemed hard to get the Accord to match it's EPA highway numbers, while I had little trouble achieving them with my Pilot. Also to be fair, the Infiniti dealership only charges $10 more for oil changes than the Honda one, and their labor rate is $110 vs. the $105 for the Honda dealer. Insurance costs us $167 more per year for the Infiniti. The yearly state registration fee is also about $25 more per year than the Honda, but this is because they are in different vehicle classes (car vs. wagon). We had to buy an extra smartkey from the dealership, which was $220. The only major fear I have about this car is all the electronic goodies that it has, and how much it might cost to repair them out of the warranty period. However, it makes me feel better that this isn't a German luxury brand, which tend to intertwine their electronic systems more and seem to have more problematic systems.

Other things to note: Unlike most of you guys, I actually prefer the 17" wheel and tire package over the 18" one. While I will miss the days where 15" and 16" wheels were the most common and I do not like how the auto industry keeps growing their wheels to ridiculous sizes, I know that they won't be moving back in that direction. Besides, larger wheels let us have better brakes for these cars that seem to get heavier every year. In general, the 17" wheels also allow for slightly cheaper wheel and tire replacements, longer tire wear, and a bit more comfort when compared to the 18" ones. I would also think that they would be less prone to tire and rim damage on our pothole ridden roads.

I wouldn't say that the Accord was an exciting car, but it was possible to have fun driving it. What I liked about it most was it's ability to do mostly everything we needed it to do while giving us little to no problems. The EX invokes a more emotional response to the car. The other day, I heard my wife start the car in the garage. The exhaust note was slightly aggressive, yet not obnoxious; it projected the visceral potency of the VQ35, but was still classy and a bit understated. I'm not sure that I could properly describe it in words. The EX is clearly a more exciting car when compared to the Accord, and I don't believe that it will give us too many problems as well.

Overall, I can't say I'm not happy with the vehicle so far. It is the wife's daily vehicle. As long as she is happy with it, my words and opinions do not matter much. It has a smaller footprint than her old car, so it gives us more garage space. It's a hatchback, so it offers more potential cargo space than a sedan and is easier to load and unload the trunk area. The higher seat height gives her a better vantage point. She makes it a point now to park far away from other cars and take a longer walk, something she never did with the Hondas. The other day, she actually took the time to figure out how to pair the bluetooth to her cellphone; that's saying a lot, as she's never done those kinds of things before and always left them to me. Other than the additional smartkey, we've purchased the Infiniti all-weather mats (because of the wheat interior color) and an Infiniti license plate frame, which she specifically requested.

Sorry if this post was long winded, but I thought I'd share my story and give my 'unique' perspective on the vehicle. I try not to post too much on forums like this, but if I feel that it adds value or helps someone out, I'll do it. Thanks for reading.
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blfstyk
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Nice read. I have 2008 EX35 Journey AWD Premium with 18" wheels and I've never had a finer car, so I can't really compare. But I love the ride and have nothing bad to say about it. For my purposes, it's the perfect car. I've driven/rented lots of others and this is the car I'm glad to own and drive. Plus, it's awesome looking in Platinum Graphite.

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Hi all,

I have 18" and the handling is very good. In fact, I kinda regret not getting 19" which I might in the near future. For me as well this is an excellent car. Luxury and power in a tight package! Great sound system as well. It is quieter than my previous Acura and current Honda. The only issue I have is that the driver side mirror is warping the image even after a change, and the driver seat moves a little under hard braking. I will have them fix these again when I go there next.

TimGinCentralNJ
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Hey and Welcome NJGuy-

I'm also from the Garden State and got my 2008 EX Journey AWD (with 17" rims) back in August. Absolutely love mine. It was replacing a 2005 Subaru Outback XT (turbo) which was a useful and capable car, but absolutely not fun to drive--especially in a 5-speed manual.

Sounds like the EX is a departure for sure from what you're used to, but I imagine your wife is loving it. I've owned Hondas in the past and while functional--I guess I'm still of the mindset that a car needs to be fun to drive in some way, shape or form....and for me....few Hondas are. The old S2000 might be the exception.

I actually like the handling of the 17" rims (I think you and I are the only ones here who have 'em) with the Michelin Latitude HP's and am debating whether to drop $220+/each to replace them--or try a set of the all-weather Nokian WR-G2 SUV tires which run around $140/each. The Subaru was stellar in the white stuff with its full time 50/50 (F/R) AWD system and high ground clearance, but I'm confident the EX will be more than adequate with some decent tires on it.

Thanks for the good read and I'm sure we'll see you around the board :)

Cheers,
Tim

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blfstyk wrote:Nice read. I have 2008 EX35 Journey AWD Premium with 18" wheels and I've never had a finer car, so I can't really compare. But I love the ride and have nothing bad to say about it. For my purposes, it's the perfect car. I've driven/rented lots of others and this is the car I'm glad to own and drive. Plus, it's awesome looking in Platinum Graphite.
This is our first foray into the luxury/upscale market of cars. I’ve spent limited time driving only a few other ‘nice’ cars as well. I’ve driven my co-worker’s 2001 BMW 330ci and 2002 540, both MT. While both drove quite nicely, the interiors didn’t exactly scream ‘luxury’. I also didn’t really get a chance to put them through their paces. I never really cared for the feel of the BMW shifters; they felt a little bit vague to me. Another co-worker has a 2006 Audi A6 4.2 Quattro, but I never drove it. The interior is very nice though; I’d say that it’s nicer than the interior of the EX. I’ve also driven my brother’s 2004 Acura TL 6spd MT a couple of times. I could actually see myself owning a car like that. While it was classified as “upscale” and not “luxury”, I thought it still felt nice to sit inside and to drive. It handles well and has more than enough power. The Honda/Acura shifters were always a tad notchy, but they felt very direct to me. I believe the only issues he’s had were a sagging headliner, corroding side view mirrors, and a minor issue with third gear engagement when cold, which I think was fixed. I find it unfortunate that Honda and Acura designers have not repeated the success they had with the visual design of this generation TL. Their latest designs seem a little bit goofy to me.

My wife has liked the Infiniti dealership experience so far. Lots of flat panel TV’s and free donuts in the waiting area. She probably would have enjoyed it a bit more if my semi-hyper and loud 4 year-old daughter didn’t want to pretend to drive every car in the showroom :biggrin: . Anyway, when the vehicle was finished being serviced, she said it almost felt like she was checking out of a 5-star hotel. :)
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CDNicecube wrote:Hi all,

I have 18" and the handling is very good. In fact, I kinda regret not getting 19" which I might in the near future. For me as well this is an excellent car. Luxury and power in a tight package! Great sound system as well. It is quieter than my previous Acura and current Honda. The only issue I have is that the driver side mirror is warping the image even after a change, and the driver seat moves a little under hard braking. I will have them fix these again when I go there next.
Since the EX is my wife’s daily driver, I think she would probably prefer the 17’s over the 18’s. I don’t think she cares too much about the difference in handling. As long as the car responds well to her driver inputs, she’s satisfied. I don’t believe that the 18’s ride that much more harshly than the 17’s, but every little bit of comfort helps.

The EX is probably quieter than my wife’s old Accord, I don’t doubt it. I would think that the EX’s larger frontal area would create more wind noise; but then again the EX probably has much more sound insulation. I also can’t compare them too much because I always listen to the local sports radio station in any car I drive.

I haven’t really had the chance to test out the sound system, but both the wife and daughter like it. I guess the next thing I have to do is explain to my wife how to hook up and play her iPod. :)
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TimGinCentralNJ wrote:Hey and Welcome NJGuy-

I'm also from the Garden State and got my 2008 EX Journey AWD (with 17" rims) back in August. Absolutely love mine. It was replacing a 2005 Subaru Outback XT (turbo) which was a useful and capable car, but absolutely not fun to drive--especially in a 5-speed manual.

Sounds like the EX is a departure for sure from what you're used to, but I imagine your wife is loving it. I've owned Hondas in the past and while functional--I guess I'm still of the mindset that a car needs to be fun to drive in some way, shape or form....and for me....few Hondas are. The old S2000 might be the exception.

I actually like the handling of the 17" rims (I think you and I are the only ones here who have 'em) with the Michelin Latitude HP's and am debating whether to drop $220+/each to replace them--or try a set of the all-weather Nokian WR-G2 SUV tires which run around $140/each. The Subaru was stellar in the white stuff with its full time 50/50 (F/R) AWD system and high ground clearance, but I'm confident the EX will be more than adequate with some decent tires on it.

Thanks for the good read and I'm sure we'll see you around the board :)

Cheers,
Tim
I think I could actually picture myself owning a 5 or 6spd Subaru Outback, but not in turbo guise. The newer ones do look a little hefty and bloated though.

I think the Accord we traded would have been a close to perfect car for me if it were the 5spd MT. While the 5spd auto was fine, it seemed to dampen the K24 engine’s potential at higher speeds. I read that the MT makes the driving experience a lot better. We actually got the Accord with AT because my wife got tired of driving stick; so I have been and am currently stuck with driving slushboxes for a while. :squint:

The other day, I was at my parent’s house. I had to run a few errands, so I decided to take their ’94 Civic EX coupe with 207K miles. Sure it’s not an S2000, but it was still fun. I wasn’t driving fast by any means, but I didn’t have to. The low weight, short gearing, responsive mechanically linked throttle, double wishbone suspension, quick steering, and light clutch and shifter action all felt quite invigorating. :woot: It felt like I was more connected to the car and it was a nice departure from the damped isolation I’m more used to. The car still generates interest, as my Dad has received several offers to buy the car off of him (probably from the tuner crowd), even though it’s not for sale. But it's too bad that Honda doesn't make em like they used to. :frown:

While I’m not shopping for tires yet, the idea has been sitting in the back of my mind. The Latitudes seem to do well in every single category, but there’s always the Michelin up-front price sticker shock. Man, I miss those days when I could get a quality set of tires installed for under $400. Anyway, it looks like an interesting decision you have to make; I’ll probably consider which direction you decide to follow when I have to replace tires in the future as well.

My wife will feel more comfortable getting up our hills in the snow with the EX, but I’ll still have to remind her that AWD doesn’t automatically equal safe.


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