Outrageous Nissan prices

[datechboss101]

Pretty sure the OGs here knows my 8+ year long history with Nissan.

Here's another one. I got anally raped for wipers this morning. Yes, you read that right. $114 for 2 fronts and 1 rear wiper. For a s*** box no less. (For those who are wondering why I am calling a 2019 Rogue SV with 30k miles a s*** box, the front bumper looks like its about to fall off even with braces, brackets, all new, and they want to replace more body panels to fix it; car has pleura of issues).

Now for wipers over at Autonation Acura North Orlando wanted $80. They also happened to run an online store where I was able to get both front blades and rear blade for my MDX for like $20 OTD and a homie to teach me how to install.

Next is the Cabin air filter. I never understood who thought it was a-okay to slap that part in the most PITA location (location been the same with the old 2016 Rogue), but goddamn they asking $100 for that.

We can ignore oil and filter change cuz I have been doing those on my brick driveway (rip my driveway). But stealership wants $110+ for it, which is the same price Honda & Acura are asking for 5.7 qrts of oil and a new filter; the QR25DE takes 4.5 qrts with filter change.

If you still take your Nissan to the stealership, look elsewhere. This is coming from someone who used to regularly have dealerships works on his cars.

[TurboSauce]

Just an FYI for future, If you're willing to install your own wiper blades you can save a considerable amount over dealer prices.

https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/nis ... blade,8852

[datechboss101]

Just an FYI for future, If you're willing to install your own wiper blades you can save a considerable amount over dealer prices.

https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/nis ... blade,8852

The following is straight from Nissan USA:
~$400 OTD for an H5 OEM Factory battery; warranty wise: it's worse than Honda & Acura. Price wise: Expensive than Honda and Acura, prolly expensive than BMW and MB.

I had the stealership replace the wiper blades 2 years ago and that was $45.

[Bubba1]

You were 100% right that some of us "OG" long suggested to switch away from "stealerships" with for regular maintenance and repairs especially on your family's' old Rogue and MDX. Warranty/recall stuff should be the only exceptions. FWIW, if you're in sticker shock over Nissan dealer part markups, MB and Bimma part prices are so high that seeing them for the first time could trigger instant bowel movements.. But it's good to hear that you might finally be looking at alternatives.

As far as why prices have shot up so much, the most common answer is "because they can". But it's actually more than that. It's a complicated combination of a bunch of things. And the more you think about it, the bigger the list of things gets. And every player involved in the process from manufacture to final delivery to the end customer, most of their increases are passed onto the consumer and rarely absorbed.

As far as doing your own oil changes, that's fine, but I hope you take the waste oil to an authorized disposal place as it's considered hazmat material.

Enjoy

[datechboss101]

You were 100% right that some of us "OG" long suggested to switch away from "stealerships" with for regular maintenance and repairs especially on your family's' old Rogue and MDX. Warranty/recall stuff should be the only exceptions. FWIW, if you're in sticker shock over Nissan dealer part markups, MB and Bimma part prices are so high that seeing them for the first time could trigger instant bowel movements.. But it's good to hear that you might finally be looking at alternatives.

As far as why prices have shot up so much, the most common answer is "because they can". But it's actually more than that. It's a complicated combination of a bunch of things. And the more you think about it, the bigger the list of things gets. And every player involved in the process from manufacture to final delivery to the end customer, most of their increases are passed onto the consumer and rarely absorbed.

As far as doing your own oil changes, that's fine, but I hope you take the waste oil to an authorized disposal place as it's considered hazmat material.

Enjoy

Wasn't MB and BMW prices what Nissan prices are now prior to the s*** show that happened few years ago? AutoZone has been taking in the used oil for well over a year now, and they are opening up new stores (one just opened up less than 4 miles from me). Walmart has been resourceful and still will be going to them to buy basic maintenance items (get my oil from Walmart).

[TurboSauce]

Luxury dealers often charge higher rates and tack on what I consider luxury tax because they can.

Due to the recent few years and overall inflation every dealer is going to want to keep their profit margins high, or increase them wherever possible as that's the goal of most businesses.

You may not be willing to pay $110 for getting wiper blades replaced but someone who's not willing to do the research, or considers cars as nothing more than a way to get from point a to b will.

Basic maintenance is often simple and straightforward, some of it is is still above what the average backyard-youtube mechanic can do. (I am pointing this finger at myself) but if you have access to the FSM most things can be done at home. Like Bubba said; its good that you're finally looking into more do it yourself maintenance.

But the two things I consider are;

Eventually the prices have to come back down due to many factors like competition and the price consumers are willing to pay. (You'll never get me to pay $300 for an oil change for example)

And

The local mom and pops and dealer techs are people too, they gotta eat somehow.

[datechboss101]

Luxury dealers often charge higher rates and tack on what I consider luxury tax because they can.

Due to the recent few years and overall inflation every dealer is going to want to keep their profit margins high, or increase them wherever possible as that's the goal of most businesses.

You may not be willing to pay $110 for getting wiper blades replaced but someone who's not willing to do the research, or considers cars as nothing more than a way to get from point a to b will.

Basic maintenance is often simple and straightforward, some of it is is still above what the average backyard-youtube mechanic can do. (I am pointing this finger at myself) but if you have access to the FSM most things can be done at home. Like Bubba said; its good that you're finally looking into more do it yourself maintenance.

But the two things I consider are;

Eventually the prices have to come back down due to many factors like competition and the price consumers are willing to pay. (You'll never get me to pay $300 for an oil change for example)

And

The local mom and pops and dealer techs are people too, they gotta eat somehow.

Intel from Honda service advisor that worked at Nissan in Tampa for ages told me the following: Nissan USA pushes stealerships to upsell everything in the service department. So majority of the rip off and scams is coming directly from Nissan. No wonder why they were trying to upsell me a coolant flush at 30k miles and not even 5 years.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Intel from Honda service advisor that worked at Nissan in Tampa for ages told me the following: Nissan USA pushes stealerships to upsell everything in the service department. So majority of the rip off and scams is coming directly from Nissan. No wonder why they were trying to upsell me a coolant flush at 30k miles and not even 5 years.

That's basic salesmanship 101 and not dealer-specific. Part of being an adult is wading through all the s*** that is thrown at you to decide what it is that you really actually need.
Why the f*** are you still going to dealerships for anything outside warranty work?

[datechboss101]

Intel from Honda service advisor that worked at Nissan in Tampa for ages told me the following: Nissan USA pushes stealerships to upsell everything in the service department. So majority of the rip off and scams is coming directly from Nissan. No wonder why they were trying to upsell me a coolant flush at 30k miles and not even 5 years.

That's basic salesmanship 101 and not dealer-specific. Part of being an adult is wading through all the bullsh*t that is thrown at you to decide what it is that you really actually need.
Why the f*** are you still going to dealerships for anything outside warranty work?

There are things I still unable to do yet. Gathering my tools slowly but surely, everything will be done DIY once I get equipment and strength and courage to knock things out on my own driveway.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

There are options other than the dealer...

[datechboss101]

There are options other than the dealer...

…yes, using my driveway and garage slowly.

[Buzzman]

Interesting discussion. This trend where dealers are charging crazy prices is not restricted to Nissan or luxury brands.
I got rid of my last Nissan a few years ago (2002 Pathfinder. Great vehicle), so I have been driving a Mazda 6 since 2017.
Mazda's stuff has gone through the roof, and I never go to their dealerships anymore (warranty expired).
Worse is Kia however. I also recently purchased a brand new 2023 Kia Stinger Elite.
I am on a Stinger forum, and the stories I read on there from people that have taken their Stingers back to the dealer for service are out of this world.
One guy got a quote of $2,800 for a brake job. You can buy quality parts at Amazon for a fraction of that price and do it yourself. It has Brembos, and they are super easy to work on.
And God help you if you have a turbo issue or starter motor issue. Kia is just ridiculous, so it's not just Nissan trying to make a huge profit.
I have a long warranty on the KIa, and it is not my daily driver, so I think I'll be OK for a while, but there are others that use it as their DD.
Good luck with any new car these days. They're all turning into crap it seems.

[datechboss101]

Just found out my hatch struts on the MDX failed. Dealers wants $1500 for parts and Labour; $1200 for parts alone, as they sell each part separately. Ordered online both parts for $624. Boy, am I done with having technicians work on my cars with these outrageous prices. Something has to give really, and it looks like dealers aint going to back down on them prices.

OLD timers: I officially have gone full DIY.

[Bubba1]

OLD timers: I officially have gone full DIY.

Us old timers respond "we shall see." Another issue besides the issues of spiking parts prices, you not knowing how to do everything yet plus you not yet having the tools is the availability/accessibility to parts, which have gotten longer since the supply chain problems began. it might take a couple days to get your replacement parts, I'm not talking common items oil filters, but the less common stuff, which become more likely to need when the vehicle gets older. For example, I recently had to wait a couple days to get lower control arms for my wife's mass produced yet old Acura. Fortunately I have spare vehicles immediately available for her while waiting for the parts. I think it's admirable to learn how to do increasingly more of your car's maintenance to save money. But at the same time, you're trying to get your career going, which is why finding a good independent mechanic is probably a step you should consider before (and while) you learn to do more stuff yourself.

[TurboSauce]

This ^.

I had a great trusted mechanic that would even let me assist in doing brake/clutch bleeds, and would advise me on if a modification was actually worth my time and effort or not. He was older than I by a few years, (he was in his late 50's at the time) but also still a car enthusiast. I miss having that trusted resource (as I've since moved abt 4 hours away) and it's getting harder and harder to find people that you can trust that are in the industry due to high turnover/burnout.

Since then, I've leaned way more into the FSM/youtube tutorials to eventually feel comfortable doing a lot of DIY, (brakes, transmission mounts, diff swaps, axles, valve covers, spark plugs, etc...)but over the past 3 years, there were two jobs I HAD to outsource to local shops. (Engine mounts/oilpan replacement) just due to not having the tools or the time.

Also its not fun to uhh, use a 2.5 ton jack stand on your garage floor lifting heavy parts all the time. As I age my back likes this less and less.

Enjoy the journey, I wish you much success and dropped 10 mm sockets.

[datechboss101]

So got another large bill: Struts on the MDX. Trusted mastertech was doing the alignment on the MDX and noticed the struts were shot. Only issue: Honda made the struts multi-piece for both the front rears. And unfortunately, the struts were made in Mexico, hence, massive strut failures on the 3rd gen MDXs. It needs an alignment almost every 300-500 miles now as its tracking to the right due to the shot struts. But having the mastertech do it the cost would just add up as its ~$114 per each alignment.

But, what I really couldn’t justify is ~$3700 for OEM struts w/ dealership labour when air ride from FlyyAirr is $3800. Even if I order the parts which is saving me only $945, which I still cannot justify the high labor cost that the dealer is asking which is $1289.90 before taxes and its 5 labor hours.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Poor struts shouldn't cause alignment issues, only undamped oscillation issues.
Also, what are you talking about "multi-piece strut"?
What year MDX?
Why did you just post about another dealer bill after proclaiming a week ago that you were doing full DIY for the rest of time?

[Bubba1]

I think it's clear we all agree that replacement car part prices have skyrocketed recently. That said, I'm no mechanic, but if you don't replace the worn out struts, it seems inevitable your tires are going to wear unevenly causing it to track more to one side, thereby shortening the life of tires, which aren't cheap to replace either. So paying someone to keep doing a bunch of alignments to compensate for not fixing the real problem is a waste of money if you plan to keep the vehicle long term. At the end of the day, that MDX is a luxury vehicle, and despite being well made when it was new with a good reliability reputation, it's still going to be more expensive to repair than a smaller non-luxury vehicle. And struts do eventually wear out, even ones not made in Mexico. At this point, since you yet don't know how or are equipped to even do the repair yourself, I see three choices. You can either pay someone to fix it right (whether it is a dealer or independent), or continue to nickel and dime it while complaining about the high cost, (which is what you're doing now), or replace the entire vehicle with something more affordable to you. You're not going to escape paying money. So the question you need to ask yourself is whether that MDX is worth keeping after spending a few grand on that one single repair. If you got the car for free from your parents, and it's in good condition otherwise, well, then it might make more sense to get it fixed rather than replacing the entire car. But if it's rough and other major components appear to soon need addressing, then maybe it's wiser to find another vehicle. We have no idea of the real condition of your MDX or how it has been treated or maintained. So you would be better advised by an unbiased, independent mechanic who has seen the vehicle in person, NOT a dealership who is only interested in emptying your wallet by either overcharging you for the repair or selling you a replacement vehicle.

[TurboSauce]

Okay so I took the MDX to a local mechanic, he said that everything checked out except for the lower balljoints. Quotes me the same as the dealer pricing but he pointed out that there's mounts on the front to mount something to the chassis directly. Maybe this thing was tracked before?!?

Idk but after that discovery I think its time to put the awd to use. Im gonna head to our local hardware store and buy some 2x4s... stay tuned for whats next!

I hope to plow through your expectations!

[datechboss101]

Poor struts shouldn't cause alignment issues, only undamped oscillation issues.
Also, what are you talking about "multi-piece strut"?
What year MDX?
Why did you just post about another dealer bill after proclaiming a week ago that you were doing full DIY for the rest of time?

I’m not getting OEM parts. This one I posted, is something I been thinking about doing on the old Rogue and old Accord. Air Ride. But I was actually shocked how much the OEM parts itself cost. I asked a homie if its something doable DIY, but then we would have to transfer the factory spring over from the current set to the new ones.

Its a 2017 MDX. Apparently newer Hondas and Acuras uses multiple pieces for their parts (i.e.: bumpers, steering wheels, struts & shocks).

[datechboss101]

I think it's clear we all agree that replacement car part prices have skyrocketed recently. That said, I'm no mechanic, but if you don't replace the worn out struts, it seems inevitable your tires are going to wear unevenly causing it to track more to one side, thereby shortening the life of tires, which aren't cheap to replace either. So paying someone to keep doing a bunch of alignments to compensate for not fixing the real problem is a waste of money if you plan to keep the vehicle long term. At the end of the day, that MDX is a luxury vehicle, and despite being well made when it was new with a good reliability reputation, it's still going to be more expensive to repair than a smaller non-luxury vehicle. And struts do eventually wear out, even ones not made in Mexico. At this point, since you yet don't know how or are equipped to even do the repair yourself, I see three choices. You can either pay someone to fix it right (whether it is a dealer or independent), or continue to nickel and dime it while complaining about the high cost, (which is what you're doing now), or replace the entire vehicle with something more affordable to you. You're not going to escape paying money. So the question you need to ask yourself is whether that MDX is worth keeping after spending a few grand on that one single repair. If you got the car for free from your parents, and it's in good condition otherwise, well, then it might make more sense to get it fixed rather than replacing the entire car. But if it's rough and other major components appear to soon need addressing, then maybe it's wiser to find another vehicle. We have no idea of the real condition of your MDX or how it has been treated or maintained. So you would be better advised by an unbiased, independent mechanic who has seen the vehicle in person, NOT a dealership who is only interested in emptying your wallet by either overcharging you for the repair or selling you a replacement vehicle.

What I am doing right now, because pops is chipping to help out on the cost, is replacing all 4 at once, hence the price tag of around ~$3500-$3800. And from last week til March 21st 2024, my local air ride installer has air ride on sale which totals to be less than OEM factory parts; but then the ride quality will be absolute garbage compared to OEM. However, I still need all the tools to not be fully dependent on the dealer; looking at certain tools, such impacts, quick jacks, etc. So basically everyone who has seen or touched the MDX one way or another, told me she’s mechanically sound and in good condition (paint not so much, as its more fragile than the paint Nissan uses; got several body shop quotes on that). I was thinking just go the route of parking the MDX for a bit till I save up or get the lifetime alignment from Firestone or PepBoys (the nickel and dime route). The Rogue on the other hand is still giving issues on top of issues (I think this latest issue on the rogue, is something I cannot do without a dealer level tool).

I already have started looking for a new daily so the MDX can be moved back to weekend status (obviously its either going to be used or CPO, but its never going to be another Nissan after this pile of s*** known as my 2019 Rogue SV). Even just looking at online prices, its still ridiculous.

[Bubba1]

Hmm. I recommend looking closely at the fine print of a lifetime alignment deal before doing that. There's a chance that if they notice the underlying big problem that you're trying to avoid fixing, that could end up voiding the guarantee until you address that bigger problem, then you're screwed even worse. I'm afraid you and your pops are going to be spending money here regardless of the choice. Judging by your posts, combined with your "pop's" addiction to dealers, I think replacing both the Rogue and MDX might be the best route. The Rogue sounds like it has become a money pit, or least it sounds like it's about to become one. Not surprising as Rogues are cheap and don't tend to fare as well long term as their competition. Their low acquisition price is what makes them so appealing. The MDX, might be a bit too expensive a vehicle for your family's current financial situation given your concern about high repair costs, which are not going to improve as it's an older luxury car getting even older. That's the nature of owning one. That said, If you're looking for a drama free daily driver, I recommend looking at something a little less stylish, less complex, better built, and no CVT (the Rogue has a CVT, which are notorious). Consider an old Toyota Corolla, for example. Yes, you will pay more for one than a Rogue, but they are better made, very reliable, easy to fix, and reasonable to maintain, and you'll get more when you eventually sell it.. I would also advise having an independent mechanic (not the selling dealer) check it out before buying. You never know, someone might try to sell you a car with a major defect that they don't want to fix . You'll find many OG's have old Corolla daily beaters, including me. I bought an '08 S version for my son when he was in HS several years ago, and he ended up not needing a car at all after finishing college, so I kept it and have been using it myself as a DD. And he uses it whenever he visits us at home. It's been an amazingly reliable, simple, and an inexpensive car to own & operate. plus car guys regular ask me to let them know when I plan to sell it. By the way, mine not for sale. You and your father indeed have some tough choices ahead as far as vehicles. Given how awful you portrayed the Rogue, perhaps you should consider replacing that first as it's not worth much and you suggest the vultures are circling it. Since you also said the MDX is in generally good shape otherwise, it might make more sense to invest the money in repairing it right, (not nickel and diming) using an independent mechanic to save money. And if two of the struts are okay, don''t replace them) Just fix the bad ones. Also, Skip the air ride. What the repair does is buy you time to find a more suitable replacement at your leisure as the car is useable, plus you'll get a better price for it when you do sell it. Food for thought.

[telcoman]

I found reading this thread interesting. I am no longer very active here as I no longer own my previous Infiniti. In fact I no longer own an ICE vehicle which is why I kind of got a chuckle out of reading this thread.
Many of you may not be fully aware of what is slowly occurring in the automotive market?
The sharply higher prices that many of you are complaining about is partly the result that many of the current business's in the automotive market may not be around in a few years?
Many of you may remember the 8 tracks, the cassettes, the Betamax, picture tube tv's, etc.
Increasing sales of EV's have many in the automotive business very nervous and scared of what the future holds for them.
EV's require almost no maintenance and depending on what state that you live in provide users with substantial incentives to make a purchase.
Here is NJ there is no state sales tax, no state inspection, $1500 utility rebates to cover the EV charger installation, and almost no maintenance on an EV except for tires, wipers, and cabin filters.
Leaving my fully charged vehicle (90%) every morning in a warm cabin 70 degrees with an outside morning temperature of 15 degrees in my garage is quite pleasurable.
I have already made six round trips from NJ to Florida and have a list of over 75 Tesla charge stations along I 95 accumulating just over 27k miles in seventeen months of owning my Tesla.
You all may want to consider limiting the amount of money that you are going to spend on your current vehicles.
You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
Bob Dylan

[VStar650CL]

You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
Bob Dylan

You don't need to be a weatherman to recognize factually-challenged big wind. Plug-in EV's have a very limited future beyond the spoiled rich, for any number of very good reasons. Don't take it from me, take it from the chairman of Toyota. Right now, our dealership won't even order more Ariyas.
https://electrek.co/2024/01/23/toyota-c ... ket-share/

[VStar650CL]

PS - If you want a glimpse of the real future, it's hydrogen fuel cell hybrids using onboard methane pyrolysis to produce fuel for the cell. The key is developing a catalytic cracking method efficient and small enough for onboard use, but the industry (including Nissan) is getting very close. Unlike plug-ins, which are only as clean as the power plant which charges them, these hybrids will produce only water out the tailpipe and soot carbon for your garden from the cracking unit. Truly green, not faux green. That's what your grandchildren will drive, and they'll simply pull up to a methane station instead of a gas station. There's enough methane under South Dakota alone to power them for several hundred years, so it's win-win for everybody, big oil, big auto, the environment -- and you, who won't be tethered to a stupid charge cable. Why our idiot government insists on throwing dollars at plug-ins and not at the real future is beyond me.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 212300179X

[datechboss101]

I found reading this thread interesting. I am no longer very active here as I no longer own my previous Infiniti. In fact I no longer own an ICE vehicle which is why I kind of got a chuckle out of reading this thread.
Many of you may not be fully aware of what is slowly occurring in the automotive market?
The sharply higher prices that many of you are complaining about is partly the result that many of the current business's in the automotive market may not be around in a few years?
Many of you may remember the 8 tracks, the cassettes, the Betamax, picture tube tv's, etc.
Increasing sales of EV's have many in the automotive business very nervous and scared of what the future holds for them.
EV's require almost no maintenance and depending on what state that you live in provide users with substantial incentives to make a purchase.
Here is NJ there is no state sales tax, no state inspection, $1500 utility rebates to cover the EV charger installation, and almost no maintenance on an EV except for tires, wipers, and cabin filters.
Leaving my fully charged vehicle (90%) every morning in a warm cabin 70 degrees with an outside morning temperature of 15 degrees in my garage is quite pleasurable.
I have already made six round trips from NJ to Florida and have a list of over 75 Tesla charge stations along I 95 accumulating just over 27k miles in seventeen months of owning my Tesla.
You all may want to consider limiting the amount of money that you are going to spend on your current vehicles.
You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
Bob Dylan

Oh please, not trying to be rude, but I have one EV in the fleet. That thing has more issues from the factory than my trusty MDX. Its on-par with the amount of issues that the Rogue has. One thing for sure: EVs are great commuters, but suck horribly for long distance. But then, there is no affordable EV in existence.

[datechboss101]

You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
Bob Dylan

You don't need to be a weatherman to recognize factually-challenged big wind. Plug-in EV's have a very limited future beyond the spoiled rich, for any number of very good reasons. Don't take it from me, take it from the chairman of Toyota. Right now, our dealership won't even order more Ariyas.
https://electrek.co/2024/01/23/toyota-c ... ket-share/

I see plenty of Ariyas in the new car parking lot of my local greedy dealership. And with a huge mark up too, no less.

[VStar650CL]

Yah, but I'm sure they aren't selling many, and if you show any interest but walk away, I guarantee the price will come way down. The EV market is saturated, in most places nobody can move them. Once a car sits on a dealer lot for more than 90 days, it starts to cost big bucks and quickly turns into a fire sale.

[VStar650CL]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/17/clim ... sions.html

Surprise!!!
(Not)

[telcoman]

PS - If you want a glimpse of the real future, it's hydrogen fuel cell hybrids using onboard methane pyrolysis to produce fuel for the cell. The key is developing a catalytic cracking method efficient and small enough for onboard use, but the industry (including Nissan) is getting very close. Unlike plug-ins, which are only as clean as the power plant which charges them, these hybrids will produce only water out the tailpipe and soot carbon for your garden from the cracking unit. Truly green, not faux green. That's what your grandchildren will drive, and they'll simply pull up to a methane station instead of a gas station. There's enough methane under South Dakota alone to power them for several hundred years, so it's win-win for everybody, big oil, big auto, the environment -- and you, who won't be tethered to a stupid charge cable. Why our idiot government insists on throwing dollars at plug-ins and not at the real future is beyond me.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 212300179X

Interesting but who has the deep pockets to promote this?

A quick google search reveals that there are only a total of 8 hydrogen fuel stations in North America. The closest one to me in NJ is in Quebec, Canada. All the others are in California.

https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/hydrogen_ ... ocation=NJ

By contrast the number of EV Charge stations is quite substantial at 72,578

Download PlugShare that will show EV Charge Stations not only the United States but all over the world. Many EU countries have a higher penetration of EV's than here in the US. Notice the number of locations showing a wrench symbol. They are pending and will soon be added online as additional EV charge stations.

https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electrici ... ?fuel=ELEC

Elon was very smart to establish over 50k Tesla Charge Stations to promote the sales of Tesla vehicles.
Other charge stations such as Electrify America, EV Go, and Chargepoint all have a dismal record of problems with many broken, out of service, and difficulty to use.
They currently do not have the software to recognize the VIN number of a EV to facilitate immediate charging that Tesla does.