Osiris - Cipher replacement

[cruzad3r]

Does anyone know why did Uprev decided to stop supporting Cipher? I haven't used my cable for a while and when i opened the app, it asked to update. Once updated, it removed cipher app from the list and updated the firmware on the cable. Now even when i reinstalled the old Osiris, Cipher still doesn't work. To me this is a poor decision and was wondering if anyone ran into this same issue and how did you solve it?

Thanks for your help and happy early holidays!

[Ilya]

You have to use the other app, it does the same thing. They basically merged apps. I forget what the other one is called though at the moment.

[cruzad3r]

If you're talking about the Rom Editor, it does not do the same thing as Cipher. The only "common" functionality is the ability to reset CEL which is pretty worthless because i can do that with a generic OBII and the torque app.

If others have any lead on this "merge" please post so folks here can learn and benefit from it.

[Ilya]

The ROM editor DOES do what Cipher did (logging of various variables). I had to fire up my Surface tablet (which has my UpRev install on it) but you need to click on 'logging and tracing' in ROM editor. Is there something else you used Cipher for that's missing in ROM editor?

The 'merge' was literally what they told me when I asked them the same question you're asking now. That was straight from the horses mouth.

[cruzad3r]

cipher does more than logging. you can go and access different modules in the car for diagnostic. if you look at their website, simple thing like changing your idle speed, timing advance, speed limit and rev limit once are available for you to do with cipher, now you have to pay for it under this update/merge.

[Ilya]

Fair enough.

I'd reach out to Seymore4 and see what his thoughts are. He's our resident UpRev tuner. He might have some tips/workarounds.

[pedsemdoc]

Nissan forum guys realized that UpRev had dropped Cipher and a guy saved the old Osiris installer exe file to his Dropbox account.

Here's the thread: http://www.b15u.com/threads/54426-UpRev ... r-software

Here's the Dropbox link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sz6fj41xd3pd2 ... r.exe?dl=0#

Props to djhackstyle!!!

I luckily had the old version on an old Windows 7 Panasonic Toughbook, so I was not completely out of luck, BUT this is nice to have running on my other tablets/laptops.

Make sure you uninstall the "newer" version (it's called UpRev installer), before you install the old version "Osiris Installer" to get Cipher back.

CAUTION: don't update your software OR your cable because you'll lose Cipher functionality.

Craig

[Ilya]

Is it possible to downgrade the cable after it's been upgraded?

[cruzad3r]

once you updated the cable, you're pretty much screwed. i haven't found a way to downgrade. from the look of it, uprev doesn't seem like they care. so we're fu..ck...ed...yes

[Ilya]

Yep, UpRev support is NOTORIOUSLY crap. They pretty much want their resellers (Seymore4) handling customers post purchase. Stupid CS model IMO but I guess they are happy.

[pedsemdoc]

once you updated the cable, you're pretty much screwed. i haven't found a way to downgrade. from the look of it, uprev doesn't seem like they care. so we're fu..ck...ed...yes

Oh they CARE, they CARE about making money...take away the functionality of an old device so that you can charge for those functions as an "add on" to a "new/updated" device. Kinda like the center armrest - I used to have independently sliding forward sections in my M45, nothing like that in my M37, and the extra sunvisor behind the first sunvisor too....

Hopefully I won't be forced to update the cable if I want to run Cipher on my car.

[cruzad3r]

actually if you do not hit the check for update, you should be fine. Uprev is really holding their customers by the B@!!$ with this.

[Ilya]

DOH! I f'ed up guys...I did the update and then tried to flash back to stock (plan was to flash to stock and then back again as I like to, once a year or so, clear out the ECU so to speak). Now I can't flash my tune...I'm stuck at stock. Totally forgot this thread existed and had to search for it after I remembered.

What ever came of this Cruzad3r? Did you get it sorted? I sent Joe an email...hoping he has a fix.

UPDATE: Joe responded. Reason why UpRev did this is because people were circumventing licensing. In the future, if you want to just 'refresh' your ECU, don't flash back to stock. Just flash your tune over the top of your ECU and that'll 'refresh' it. If you must go back to stock, take a picture before and after as proof should you need to contact UpRev regarding licensing.

I've sent UpRev an email asking for a one-time grace license, we'll see how that goes.

[cruzad3r]

i gave up on the cable. i have the cable and license on it. let me know if somehow Uprev let you reflash the firmware on the cable back to the older version. as it stands for me now, it's worthless!

[Zaika]

So is it still worth getting the uprev tune? I was thinking of doing that this summer

[Ilya]

It is. The product itself ain't bad...their customer service is non-existent. Joe (Seymore4 on here) will take care of you though...work 100% with him and follow his direction on all things UpRev and you'll be okay.

[Ilya]

I got my issue sorted. Had to send them a license report of my cable and they sent me an updated license file. Took a few days. Definitely run things through your tuners guys...they can help.

[Zaika]

Ok thank you!

[CWREYN]

Uprev has gotten much worse in the last year. First Cipher was removed, yes the data logging is available in the ROM editor but there's zero GUI to view the data in a visual gauge or large number like Cipher had, major PITA if you're trying to look at the readings while driving. Then they remove the DTC disabling, basically screwing anyone with a pre 2012 VQ37VHR that has the MAF/MAP correlation code still in the ROM, making it impossible to increase the MAF housing size (yet the pro-tuners still can get around this). Now they make it so I can't even remove my own license without sending in an email to their s**t costumer support in order to get my license back. This is a huge letdown esp. since I was forced to do a removal and reflash due to their crap ROM update messed up the ARK code which was causing a pile of weird crap.

If I had to do this just once I wouldn't be as irritated but just as luck would have it I ended up with a U1024 CAN communication DTC after the removal and reflash, which I have come across before after an uprev flash, and the only way to clear it is... again to remove the license and reflash! I'm 99% this is becausesure the ROM editor only flashes the changes you make to the rom file and not the entire code. I'm basing this assumption off the time it takes to flash the initial ROM vs. a modified ROM after the initial flash. Someone can correct me if i'm wrong but it would be the better way to do the flashes since it's quicker. So if anyone runs into an issue where there's a problem with the main code in their rom they have to deal with days of downtime to get their license back... I guess this means nothing to them though since they only care about Pro-tuners and not the people who like to do DIY tuning...ECUtek is looking really nice right now.. (End Rant)

[Ilya]

Uprev has gotten much worse in the last year. First Cipher was removed, yes the data logging is available in the ROM editor but there's zero GUI to view the data in a visual gauge or large number like Cipher had, major PITA if you're trying to look at the readings while driving. Then they remove the DTC disabling, basically screwing anyone with a pre 2012 VQ37VHR that has the MAF/MAP correlation code still in the ROM, making it impossible to increase the MAF housing size (yet the pro-tuners still can get around this). Now they make it so I can't even remove my own license without sending in an email to their s**t costumer support in order to get my license back. This is a huge letdown esp. since I was forced to do a removal and reflash due to their crap ROM update messed up the ARK code which was causing a pile of weird crap.

If I had to do this just once I wouldn't be as irritated but just as luck would have it I ended up with a U1024 CAN communication DTC after the removal and reflash, which I have come across before after an uprev flash, and the only way to clear it is... again to remove the license and reflash! I'm 99% this is becausesure the ROM editor only flashes the changes you make to the rom file and not the entire code. I'm basing this assumption off the time it takes to flash the initial ROM vs. a modified ROM after the initial flash. Someone can correct me if i'm wrong but it would be the better way to do the flashes since it's quicker. So if anyone runs into an issue where there's a problem with the main code in their rom they have to deal with days of downtime to get their license back... I guess this means nothing to them though since they only care about Pro-tuners and not the people who like to do DIY tuning...ECUtek is looking really nice right now.. (End Rant)

100000% agreed. I was a huge fan of UpRev but that was because of Joe (our resident NICO UpRev tuner). If I had to buy another Infiniti to tune, I'd look elsewhere. Their customer service is one of the absolute worst in the world from the hundreds of companies I've dealt with in my personal life and in my professional life. ABSOLUTELY PISS POOR.

That being said, if anyone asks the question of "what should I tune with" I will no longer recommend UpRev. Unfortunately it will have an impact on good people like Joe, but until it starts to hit UpRev in their wallet...they won't shape up.

I'm thinking it's time we compile a list of issues and post a topic in the General Chat section and then link it to them.

Welcome to the forum BTW. Sucks it had to come as a rant though but I'm 100% with you.

[CWREYN]

100000% agreed. I was a huge fan of UpRev but that was because of Joe (our resident NICO UpRev tuner). If I had to buy another Infiniti to tune, I'd look elsewhere. Their customer service is one of the absolute worst in the world from the hundreds of companies I've dealt with in my personal life and in my professional life. ABSOLUTELY PISS POOR.

That being said, if anyone asks the question of "what should I tune with" I will no longer recommend UpRev. Unfortunately it will have an impact on good people like Joe, but until it starts to hit UpRev in their wallet...they won't shape up.

I'm thinking it's time we compile a list of issues and post a topic in the General Chat section and then link it to them.

Welcome to the forum BTW. Sucks it had to come as a rant though but I'm 100% with you.

lol Thanks, I would have rather joined on a good note but the whole reason I joined this forum is because of this thread. There aren't many active discussion about Uprev anymore, most of the forums I'm on have pretty much accepted ECUtek as being the better choice and a lot of people have moved away from Uprev, at least for DIY tuners.

I agree! I wouldn't recommend it to anyone! The only reason I've stuck with it is because some of my friends have licenses and I do their tuning for them. That and my current car is still NA so I don't really need anything more than what Uprev offers.

I think that would be a great idea! Starting with this license transfer BS... If they have a problem with duplicate license being made then create a security patch and force everyone to have to update their license once when they want to transfer it. Then that new license can't be copied and I don't have to email a photo gallery every time I have to remove it.

[cruzad3r]

hahaha - it's funny to see how much hatred can do to a man

it sounds like you're a tuner, if so have you done VQ tuning on any other platform?

finally, does anyone knows if Osiris and Uprev are one company? i want to know if there's a way we can use the Osiris/Cipher app on another cable.

[seymore4]

does anyone knows if Osiris and Uprev are one company? i want to know if there's a way we can use the Osiris/Cipher app on another cable.

Uprev is the name of the company, Osiris used to be the name of their product. They have transitioned to just using "Uprev" now.

[cruzad3r]

Seymore - have you worked on the VR30DDTT tune yet?

[seymore4]

Not much, still too new not many guys willing to play

[cruzad3r]

Z1 seems like they had Uprev working. I thought i was never going to buy another Infiniti but with this engine, I think i will.

The 300hp Silver Sport version is actually 300WHP and not crank. Now with the Down pipe, exhaust and tune, that sucka is pushing close to 450 WHP and close to 500 WTQ. That's amazing little engine; similar to the EVO 2.0 with the Twin Scroll. I'm intrigued!!!

[FlawleZ]

The VR30DETT is like a modern VG30DETT. The VG30DETT actually responds similarly with bolt ons and tune with a few guys hitting at or just under 500RWHP on stock turbos.

My uprev cable will be here this week and I'm expecting to go through Joe on my tune for my M45.

[basedthola]

Sorry guys I realize the deletion of Cipher has rubbed a lot of you the wrong way. I'm doing what I can to merge Cipher functionality into our Logging & Tracing tool and am making decent progress on it, however I likely won't be finished with everything until beginning of the year due to new vehicle support running behind. No excuse for bad customer support and missing features, doing what I can to fix it.

[Ilya]

Sorry guys I realize the deletion of Cipher has rubbed a lot of you the wrong way. I'm doing what I can to merge Cipher functionality into our Logging & Tracing tool and am making decent progress on it, however I likely won't be finished with everything until beginning of the year due to new vehicle support running behind. No excuse for bad customer support and missing features, doing what I can to fix it.

Hey there! Welcome to the forum! It's nice to have you on board. Its also good to hear that you have plans to improve the software and restore some lost functionality. I think overall we're a serious group but we're also a realistic group and realize that you have your reasons for doing stuff the way you do (re: functionality).

[basedthola]

Appreciate the welcome. Sometimes we focus so much on the Z/G and pro tuner crowd we allow the other platforms to suffer. Want to encourage you all to continue to be open and honest because it helps us build better software. I won't be on here all the time, however there is a feature in the application that allows you to send feature requests direct to my work email, [email protected]. Feel free to hit me up on there for questions/technical support and I'll do what I can to help out.