ordered a garrett turbo but instead got this can someone tell me the difference

[98240]

I ordered a garrett t3/to4e 57 trim w/ .48 a/r housing turbo w/ stage 3 wheel. Instead of getting what I ordered I got a precision turbo. This is the part number 300-3431. This is the product number 3431E. This is also included in the product number THF8-31. Can anyone tell me the diffference between the two? Which one of the two turbos are better or is it based on preference? Should I send it back and get the garrett? The exhaust housing on the turbo has been grinded down quite a bit you can defffinately see the gouging from the grinder. Is that normal when you get a new turbo? I will try to get pics up asap. Thanks

[1995240sxSE]

-3431 PTE SC-3431E TurboCharger 545hp T3 57 trim with stage 3 wheelPrecision Turbo uses race bred Garrett 360 degree center thrust bearings and a cast turbine housing. The SC line was developed for the sport compact community. Combine this with your choice of a .48 or .63 A/R Choose Below.

3inch inlet2inch outletJournal Bearing5bolt Turbine housing

looks like thisthe cost on website is 849.99

[98240]

yeah that is what i got and i paid 618 for it

[halnfl]

I run a Precision turbo myself and its a great turbo. You should have steller results with that turbo and a great price. As far as grinding on the housing, do you have some pic's to post?

[KATwo40]

I still don't understand why anyone would order a $600 turbo when you can get a brand new T3/T04E 50 trim w/ .63 A/R exhaust (stg3 wheel) for $375...with a 1 year warranty. What kind of warranty does your new Precision have?

[98240]

I borrowed a camera from my friend but i didnt get the cord to put them on the computer. It looks similiar to the above turbo so i guess it is normal. Can anyone tell me when I should see 10lbs of boost?

[KATwo40]

If you're running the .48 A/R turbine housing, you'll see it around 3000rpm, or slightly below.

If you're running the .63 A/R turbine housing, you'll see it around 3600rpm.

[98240]

More then likely no warranty where do you get the turbo with the waranty on it?

Thanks

[KATwo40]

http://www.teamblindside.com

It's a TurboXS (NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH XSPower EBAY CRAP) and they use a Garrett CHRA with different housings. The compressor housing is a .50 A/R, rather than the normal .60 A/R, but I've yet to see any ill effects from this.

$375 brand new, 1yr warranty. Just about every damned Honda in Knoxville is running one, and now I have on on my car. Very smooth, very strong turbo.

FWIW, I'm using a -4an feed, no restrictor and a -10an return line. No oiling issues whatsoever.

I get 15psi by about 3700rpm.

Here's a pic of it on my car:

[98240]

Ill keep this in mind the next time i need a new turbo. Thanks

[eazye2000]

http://www.teamblindside.com

It's a TurboXS (NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH XSPower EBAY CRAP) and they use a Garrett CHRA with different housings. $375 brand new, 1yr warranty.FWIW, I'm using a -4an feed, no restrictor and a -10an return line. No oiling issues whatsoever.

I can vouch for him and this turbo. If you are not familiar with TurboXS, Open up a Summit Racing catalog and go to the turbo section. You'll see that the majority of the stuff they sell is TurboXS.

[WDRacing]

I've known the owners of TurboXS since 98. Great people who came on the scene selling BOV's and Boost Controllers. They sell quality products and have impecable customer service. If this turbo comes from them, its a quality unit. With the money you save, you can buy a Nitrous kit or drag radials.

WD

[halnfl]

I got my Precision from Conley's(big in GN's here in Houston) I've known them for a very long time and have used Precision turbo's since my Buick days and never had any issues with them. I can vouch for TurboXS making great products, I had one of their oldskool dual mbc back in the day on my supra. They also offer tuning solutions. I basically have a lifetime warranty on my turbo, when you've spent around 100K on different projects over a 12-15 year period they tend to take care of you. The best thing you can do is buy alot of products from one shop if you can, yeah you may not get smoking deals on everything, but when the **** hits the fan, they will almost always take care of you within reason.

[98240]

Should I run a oil restrictor on it?

[nissanfanatic]

A Precision turbo is a Garrett turbo with a Precision compressor housing. Everything minus the compressor housing is Garrett.

[nissanfanatic]

My Garrett came with a 30 day manufacturer's defect warranty...And an unbeatable reputation..unlike $300 turbos..

[WDRacing]

No restricctor needed. Only if you start smoking should you install a restrictor or if you're running increased oil pressure. Restrictors should be used as a LAST resort and thats right from Garrett.

WD

[KATwo40]

My Garrett came with a 30 day manufacturer's defect warranty...And an unbeatable reputation..unlike $300 turbos..

Yeah, my Garrett was fantastic until it ate itself less than a year later. Guess what...no warranty on my $750 purchase. YAY for reputations!

I'm not sayin' that Garrett turbos aren't good. But to imply that a low cost turbo, which has already shown to use Garrett internals (just like...PRECISION...whoa!) is a foolish purchase because it doesn't have the name Garrett stamped on the side is just silly. And, despite the reputation of Garrett, sometimes turbos are just bad. I'd much rather have one with a longer warranty at half the price, given the moving parts are from the same manufacturer.

This is speaking only from experience, of course.

[nissanfanatic]

Your turbo probably didn't eat itself... Thats the problem with most people is they automatically blame the turbo for every problem their car has. More than likely, you had one of the many common symptoms that leads to turbo failure that EVERY other turbo failure has..

I've had my Garrett turbo since Nov 05 buddy.. so yea.. YAY for reputation..

Who did you buy that turbo from anyways..?? Because even though phoenixturbo.com's website says 30 day warranty, I bet if you proved that it was a manufacturer's defect, they would refund you..

Precision turbos aren't much cheaper than OE Garrett turbos...

Warranties are just about as good as the company who sells them. Its really easy to **** someone on a turbo warranty because they can always blame it on dirty oil or oil starvation and how are you going to prove either of those..?? Turbos and warranties just don't go together. Buy good **** from the beginning..

[KATwo40]

Bought mine from AGPturbo.com (the Garrett).

Obviously, despite having actual experience with both the Garrett and the TurboXS, I'm going to lose this discussion. Too bad you won't open your mind to other possibilities. Especially since you've proven through your stock engine power that you're willing to think outside the box.

To each his own, I suppose.


Modified by KATwo40 at 7:06 AM 2/19/2007

[WDRacing]

Phoenixturbo sells knockoff **** as well. They use different shafts, not Garret units. I tried to have mine rebuilt, the friggin rear oil seal IS NOT standard size. I called them about it, asked if I could buy the seal. They said no, you have to send us the turbo and pay for a full rebuild.

Yeah, thats customer friggin service. Using them as your source doesn't do anything for you Name Brand argument Cory.

On the flip side, there ARE turbo's that are simply crap. The housings are epoxied together, the bushings are made from a butter like substance that will wear away in a month and I know they aren't balanced worht a crap.

But as with any technology, as age comes to pass, things will get better and cheaper. There IS NO need to pay $1000 for an intercooler anymore. The knock off manifolds are getting better everyday...its simple logic that turbo's will follow suit. If you aren't using a new type of turbo, somthing variable or with a new cartidge, then you're using technology from the 50's...the only thing to really change is the wheels.

I don't buy Nike or Reebok...over priced is over priced no matter what the market is.

Little shops feel it the worst. Its a rough market when you are undersold on every front. If I were rich, I'd buy AMS stuff...but other then that, there's no way.

WD

[Afliction523]

Yeah, my Garrett was fantastic until it ate itself less than a year later. Guess what...no warranty on my $750 purchase. YAY for reputations!

I'm not sayin' that Garrett turbos aren't good. But to imply that a low cost turbo, which has already shown to use Garrett internals (just like...PRECISION...whoa!) is a foolish purchase because it doesn't have the name Garrett stamped on the side is just silly. And, despite the reputation of Garrett, sometimes turbos are just bad. I'd much rather have one with a longer warranty at half the price, given the moving parts are from the same manufacturer.

This is speaking only from experience, of course.

I looked at blindside, and they have great prices and customer service when i spoke with them. I was looking at getting this one. http://stores.teamblindside.com/Detail.bok?no=149 Do you have the specs for your turboXS. They say that they are out of stock on those, but the wait could be worth it depending on the specs. GREAT PRICE 2

[WDRacing]

I'm pretty sure they are in 50 trim, I don't know what stg exhaust wheel they use though.

Maybe John can chime in here.

[KATwo40]

They list it as a T3/T4, but it is in fact a T3/T04E 50 trim.

The exhaust wheel, as I understand it, is a T-31, 76 trim (stg 3) unit.

The major difference between their turbo and the other T3/T04E units is the compressor housing. Most are .60 A/R whereas theirs is a .50 A/R. I've yet to see any negative impact from this. Sure, if I were trying to hold 25psi all the way to 10,000rpm the .60 A/R would be better, but for the 7000rpm limit we generally have, it's good for it.

The exhaust housing is a .63 A/R unit.

FWIW, Eric @ Blindside runs this turbo at around 12-13psi on his Honda hatch, and it holds it all the way to 9800rpm. His car is also quite a bit faster than mine (damn thing weighs 1800lbs!).

[WDRacing]

Can't really use a Honda VTEC motor as an example though. It's only a 1.8...a T28 would be good till 9500 on that little bastard.

For the money, BS Turbo's...LOL...is a good deal. When I see someone smoke one with a good oil supply and return setup...then and only then will I pass judgment. If and when that happens, I'll gladly retract my statements.

WD

[nissanfanatic]

Ok.. From a buyers point of view, here is what I see..

1) T3/T4 Ok there are a million combinations of T3/T4 turbos that flow from <40lbs min to >80lb/min. I want specs

2) 5 bolt flange.. I want a 4 bolt for efficiency reasons.

3) No specification on which wheels are avaliable, turbine or compressor

4) No flow ratings

5) No option for coating the turbine housing

6) $350 when any other shop charges at least $600. Look in every noobs signature and you'll see some kind of funny little proverb about you get what you pay for..

7) Metric bolts so you know its not a Garrett. Garrett would use American (7/16") bolts. You could tell by three lines in a 1/3 cut pie configuration.

8) From here, it looks like the turbine wheen was not balanced correctly as the center part just looks like a 12 point nut.. On a real Garrett, there is always one side that is missing quite a bit for balancing reasons.

I'm not saying one way or the other which way anybody should go. I'm just pointing out flaws and saying stuff that people should be aware of before buying one of the most important parts of their setup.

My turbo made 20psi today, so you can rest assured that phoenixturbo.com sells a good product.

I don't think I would buy from agpturbo.com either because under T04E, they are listing 67mm wheels under a T04E housing. The T04R consists of a 67mm wheel in a T04S housing. The 50trim flow rating is wrong. A 60-1 flows about 54lb/min.

And I wouldn't trust a new 67mm turbo for $850. Its gonna be at least $950 for a good one..

I'm sorry I'm not opening my mind to your ideas, but if my intercooler failed tomorrow, I guarantee that you would be in my thread with everyone else saying "You get what you pay for..,"

[KATwo40]

My TurboXS unit is fully balanced. Garrett parts don't come balanced, but are balanced from the assembler after wheel selection. Sometimes the compressor side is shaved, rather than the turbine side.

My AGPturbo.com unit had metric bolts (that's only relavent to the housings, has nothing to do with internal moving parts). But then again, it was an AGPturbo.com unit. I'll never do business with them again.

Yep. Lots of turbos cost several hundred dollars. But honestly, how can you justify 30yr old technology for $600-700 when even AMS was selling newer, better GT32 units for the same price?

No one ever said phoenixturbo.com made bad turbos. It was only proven that they are not indeed genuine Garrett units, as the Garrett seals don't work in a rebuild.

I suppose we could end here as agreeing to disagree. We can hash back and forth what we see as faults in one another's line of thinking for days and still achieve nothing more than frustration.

At least we DO agree on one thing:

AGPturbo.com sucks. LOL

[WDRacing]

Cory is just a *****..LOL.

[halnfl]

Precision's basic out of the box turbo's are comprised of mostly Garrett components. But you can order turbo's from them in different configurations that comprise their own parts. Not all of their turbo's just have a Precision housing slapped on the front. I would ask AMS who is their supplier of their Gt32 and 35, you might be surprised.