Optimuim AutoX drift Setup

Post by **Tai Mai Shu** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:52 pm

Ok, so yeah not the best setup mostly because I already have S type springs and KYB AGX's but what bushings are most important ontop of these to help with the drift and autoX, I like mattbacks idea of getting the HICAS rear sway bar ebcause its big, and I could just get the poly bushings for that (like 15 bucks) but what other bushings are needed for optimum handling?

Post by **theNUDdistBUDDhist** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:52 pm

Dont u hate when no 1 answers ur post i cant say for sure but i think the nismo bushings might be best i have a similar thread bout poly bushings vs nismos i think the nismo might be better cuz there more stif and les flexing so ur car wouls stay more solid in a drift . it makes sence to me that nismo would be better but than a gainim not 100 % sure but hey some help is better than no help http://www.nissaninfiniticlub....14930poly bushing - http://www.courtesyparts.com/e....html

nismo bushingshttp://www.courtesyparts.com/n....html

bars http://www.courtesyparts.com/nismo/s13/s13_5.html

it REALY REALY bothers me any help seems to be all too hard to find -- MoNK

Post by **theNUDdistBUDDhist** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:52 pm

sry it took 5 hrs for you to get a reply

Post by **Tai Mai Shu** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:52 pm

eh, its ok I know most people wouldn't know, since I've put myself in debt because of the SR swap my funds are minimal at best, so I dont want to waste my money getting bushings that dont matter that much.

Post by **theNUDdistBUDDhist** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:52 pm

yea i hear that

Post by **sts76** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:52 pm

Well drifting is sliding. Not the fast way around the autocross course. Your question is like asking what is the best substance for starting and putting out fires.

Post by **Tai Mai Shu** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:52 pm

d00d both require nuteral handling, not like im asking for a drag autpX setup, one requires lots of understeer. (cough) fag racing* I wouldnt drift in the same set up I have adjustable shocks, and different sets of tires for that. All im asking is what is the important bushings needed for nuteral handling. layoff.

Post by **C-Kwik** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:52 pm

Tai Mai Shu wrote:d00d both require nuteral handling, not like im asking for a drag autpX setup, one requires lots of understeer. (cough) fag racing* I wouldnt drift in the same set up I have adjustable shocks, and different sets of tires for that. All im asking is what is the important bushings needed for nuteral handling. layoff.

Drag AutoX? What exactly is that? And since when does any kind of autocross require understeer??? and lots of it at that?

Secondly, bushings don't change the rotational charactersitics of a car, unless there is a problem with them. Stiffer bushings just comply less so that suspension movements are more precisely controlled and allow the suspension components to respond quicker.

Lastly, I've never heard of a drift autoX set-up. I would think most drifters would like more room than an average autoX course allows.

Post by **CoolBlue** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:52 pm

quote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Originally posted by Tai Mai Shu d00d both require nuteral handling, not like im asking for a drag autpX setup, one requires lots of understeer. (cough) fag racing* I wouldnt drift in the same set up I have adjustable shocks, and different sets of tires for that. All im asking is what is the important bushings needed for nuteral handling. layoff. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

C-Kwik wrote:Drag AutoX? What exactly is that? And since when does any kind of autocross require understeer??? and lots of it at that?

Secondly, bushings don't change the rotational charactersitics of a car, unless there is a problem with them. Stiffer bushings just comply less so that suspension movements are more precisely controlled and allow the suspension components to respond quicker.

Lastly, I've never heard of a drift autoX set-up. I would think most drifters would like more room than an average autoX course allows.

If you talking about bushings for autocross and drifting, basically what they are going to do is make the car feel more "stable" and responsive. First thing you should do is the rear subframe bushings (Whiteline for example. I got mine from pdm). After I installed them they made a noticable difference in how the car feels, and helps the rear end stay in line. I also just installed the nismo power brace w/ new TC rods w/ poly bushings (you can also get the heim joint ones for adjustable caster and even less compliance (harsher ride)). This made a difference as well as it made the car's turn in is more responsive, and feels like less understeer. I will be looking into getting polyurethane steering rack mount bushings (installed these on my 78 280z, and they made a world of a difference), although I haven't found them directly available for a 240sx. I've heard that the ones for a Z32 should work, so Ill order them and take a look. You can order Nismo ones, which are harder rubber then the OEM ones, from the current Nissan Motorsports catalog from your Nissan dealer. As for the rear control arms and bushings, I don't have experience with these yet, although I plan on getting cusco components. These will, from what I've read, increase ride noise/harshness, but I can live with that for the more solid ride. And to get to the point I guess, the bushings themselves don't have alot to do with how your car rotates themselves as C-Kwik mentioned, but they are supporting mods for the things that will; such as adjustable swaybars, what your spring rates are, if you have adjustable bound/rebound, and if you get adjustable rear toe control links, you can add some toe-out for some more oversteer.

But all of these things will need to be done eventually IMO, and your not wasting money by slowly putting these components on, and it makes the car more fun to drive.

Hope that helps a little, and forgive if I didn't paragraph or put my sentences together correctly. :icesangel

Post by **theNUDdistBUDDhist** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:52 pm

"but what bushings are most important ontop of these to help with the drift and autoX, " -- FROM WHAT I GARHER nismo bughings are very hard so when compard to a softer more forgiving polyz. so i would imaging that it would stiffin your car to the point that when u hit A bump your bushings wont absorbe it (cuz there so stif) so u would feel it tho out the car. as to where poly would absorbe it or at least part or the force. now i would imagine that regardless of autoX or drift, you would want the stiffer bushings so theres no play. i would think its like having play in youtr steering wheel. (witch u wouldnt want) , does any 1 agree? -- MonK

Post by **Tai Mai Shu** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:52 pm

C-Kwik wrote:Drag AutoX? What exactly is that? And since when does any kind of autocross require understeer??? and lots of it at that?

Secondly, bushings don't change the rotational charactersitics of a car, unless there is a problem with them. Stiffer bushings just comply less so that suspension movements are more precisely controlled and allow the suspension components to respond quicker.

Lastly, I've never heard of a drift autoX set-up. I would think most drifters would like more room than an average autoX course allows.

OMG, your a n00b read over what you said, hang your head in shame, I said I dont want understeer like you would in drag. Drag sucks drag is for ricers, ricers go away.

Cool blue, thanks that was the kind of response I was looking for. THenud, im going to try and made a soild metal on a CNC machine at my school for the rubber bushing in the steering to take away the slop, the last thing I need when wanganing is slop in the steering.

Post by **theNUDdistBUDDhist** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:52 pm

you kinda lost me. r u saying your gunna make metal bushings? It might not be good to have metal to metal to metal.

Post by **Tai Mai Shu** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:52 pm

lol, no its just for the steering rack, if you saw it you would know what I mean, but most people haven't had to diconect there steering.there is a place where its 4 bolts and a rubber center peice, and thats waht give the wheel that flex, my dads old 240z he got rid of the rubber peice and put a peice of soild metal and said it was better for the autoX

Post by **C-Kwik** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:52 pm

Tai Mai Shu wrote:OMG, your a n00b read over what you said, hang your head in shame, I said I dont want understeer like you would in drag. Drag sucks drag is for ricers, ricers go away.

Cool blue, thanks that was the kind of response I was looking for. THenud, im going to try and made a soild metal on a CNC machine at my school for the rubber bushing in the steering to take away the slop, the last thing I need when wanganing is slop in the steering.

I really suggest you read what I was asking then. I've never heard of a DRAG AUTOX. If you are just referring to drag racing, then it is not autcrossing.

As far as drag racing is concerned, you are entitled to your opinion, but I guarantee if you try it, you'll get a nice adrenaline rush just the same. And how does under or oversteer affect drag racing...In short, it doesn't. You don't turn in a drag race, so there would be no steer.

Don't be so quick to dish out the word NOOB when you make comments that undermine your own integrity.

Post by **theNUDdistBUDDhist** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:52 pm

-- c-kwik -- u missed what tai was sayin. "sts76" sayed "Your question is like asking what is the best substance for starting and putting out fires" -- tai mi -- replyed "not like im asking for a drag autpX setup, " not meaning that there is an drag/ autox sret up. but saying handling and drifting are alot closes than drag / auto x -- MoNK

Post by **C-Kwik** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:52 pm

theNUDdistBUDDhist wrote:-- c-kwik -- u missed what tai was sayin. "sts76" sayed "Your question is like asking what is the best substance for starting and putting out fires" -- tai mi -- replyed "not like im asking for a drag autpX setup, " not meaning that there is an drag/ autox sret up. but saying handling and drifting are alot closes than drag / auto x -- MoNK

Yes, but my direct question was asking what drag autox is and also what drift autox is. Was he referring to drag racing? or autocrossing? They are two different things. Or drifting and autocrossing? They are also two different things.

So in reply to your interpretation of Tai Mai Shu's comment, how would handling and drifting be compared to drag racing and autocrossing? Handling is important in autocrossing. Perhaps you can drift an autocross course. But neither really have much if anything to do with drag racing. Last time I checked, drag races were pretty straight.

Post by **Tai Mai Shu** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:52 pm

OMG, what grade are you in...READLisen here is where I standDrag Racing = sucks I dont like (dont want a dumb drag set up.)I Want a nuteral handling Suspension for AUTOX AND DRIFT, its not that hard really, because its in my subject title...learn to read.

Post by **C-Kwik** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:52 pm

Tai Mai Shu wrote:OMG, what grade are you in...READLisen here is where I standDrag Racing = sucks I dont like (dont want a dumb drag set up.)I Want a nuteral handling Suspension for AUTOX AND DRIFT, its not that hard really, because its in my subject title...learn to read.

"d00d both require nuteral handling, not like im asking for a drag autpX setup, one requires lots of understeer. (cough)"

Sorry...but it's a bit hard to try to revert back to a 2nd grade reading level. Perhaps you should write more clearly. Or just clarify what you meant when I asked. And it's spelled "neutral". The least you can do if you're going to try and insult my intelligence is spell correctly.

Post by **Tai Mai Shu** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:52 pm

hhmm, seems like everyone else understood...why don't you?

Optimuim AutoX drift Setup

Optimuim AutoX drift Setup

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