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Jerk_Racer wrote:Strange how I always hear this old argument come up on various boards. I have NEVER heard of this argument after living in Japan for five years (off and on) from any locals that know their stuff. Only the Americans seem to bring it up when talking smack in the garage. Over here, if you want power in a S13 chassis then you go with a SR. No questions about it. One thing nobody ever brings up on these arguments over the internet is that CA's have a bad rep over here for overheating. I guess if people haven't seen many of them other than a literal handful then this might not be seen often. The coolant passages over time tend to get clogged up with rust. Say what you want about good maintenance, the CA's just seem to have this issue more than their fair share. Just touring up and down this island at night, the guys that had CA's back in the day had to always stop at the combini's to cool down a bit while the SR's could keep going. Plus the CA's can't seem to make the same power for the same amount of money as a SR can. I've seem this over and over again. Plus, the last ones rolled out of the factory over a dozen years ago. Old stuff by Japanese standards. My car is a '91 and I've been told it a "new classic". Whatever that means? The only guys that stick with the CA's seem to be trying to prove a point or something. Hey, if it's paid for and you have tons of parts laying around your shop for it, then why not stick with it? But given a choice the SR is the hands down winner here. Highly available, highly reliable when built up, and pretty cheap to take care of.

If you are thinking about a CA, think about the fact that it's probably been sitting in a junkyard for who knows how long. If it's been in a car up until recently then it either has umpteen million clicks on it and/or was railed on by some wannabe Takumi. Many dudes over here that are into cars aren't always good about proper maintenance so buyer beware.

I'm not saying they are bad engines. But they aren't that great as some would like to think. Between what I've seen with my friends cars and talking cars with people over the years has taught me that the SR is the engine of choice in Japan (between the CA and SR at least). After going with the CA, Nissan chose the SR over developing the CA anymore. I think they made a good decision.


was reading threw some forums. just wondering what you guys think of it? i mean it think it's odd how he mentioned it OVERHEATING? or having heating issues? Do you guys experience this? No, right? Just add coolant / water. Out of curiousity of those CA owners how long has your motor lasted after you were doing rebuilding?


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i heard nissan switched over to the sr bcuz it was more cheaper to develop than the ca

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^^ i heard the same.

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same with me...

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They did. Kinda funny about the rust arguement. I did notice some when I put my motor in, but a few flushes, and the rust was gone. Something to think about: the RB and VG are both iron engines and there seems to be no rust issues there. Just use distilled water and make sure and keep it clean and you should be good. The SR is a good motor, but just cuz the average kid in Japan likes it more than the CA does not mean that the SR is better.

More food for thought: Japanese tax law promotes owning newer cars. The CA is from an older car. So it would actually be cheaper for them to own a 91+ S13 than it would be to get ahold of a CA powered car.

O, and I live in the middle of Hell...er Texas. No overheating issues here. Several road trips and boosting all day long. In traffic, the gauge gets a little high, but no higher than my KA did. I do plan to swap to electric fans and a Koyo, as well as a Billion thermostat soon just to be safe...

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ya i dont like how ppl argue over the motors

the sr20 .. ca18 .. and also the ka-t

they are all wonderful motors with a lot of potential ..

jus depends on if your rich or not to make it fast

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my CA never overheated .. seem like the usual Import-Racer-JDM-YO-SR20DET-is-the-BLing. He didnt think that is sr20det was beside a ca18det in these junkyards in japan... stupid kid. Im sure he think that is sr20det is coming from a donor car that wanted to give his engine to a young americain Dreaming of being JDM godlike...ahhhjust ranting i hate people like that

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Well, who ever wrote the above article is not entirely ture.

I do agree that the SR is a great motor, it has proven itself time after time and after market parts are widely avialable.But he never thought that the RB serious was designed right off the CA engine, RB engine is the big brother of the CA engine and if NISSAN thought the CA was noT goOD for what ever reason, they would never make it into an RB and put it in an $80K skyline car.

The reason Nissan went with SR was because it was cheap to build plus it is a bigger engine and at that time toyota came with the 2.2L and honda came with the same 2.2L, so it wasn't about that the CA engine was bad, it was about the Japanese market demanding a bigger engine for that time as they are competing against each other.

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yeh very true. i just dislike how people dispise other engines when all are very good and well built. though CA is my favorite =) heh

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rust build-up in the coolant passages happens, its an iron block. that why you FLUSH the coolant system. Maitenence! is the key with any engine!

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Although I've never had my CA overheat, I could see how it might be a problem. Mine was VERY rusty when I pulled it out of the clip and I did have to flush it multiple times to get it cleaned out well. As was stated before, vehicle maintenence isn't a very high concern in Japan and I'm sure that rust inhibiting coolant addatives weren't used. I'm pretty sure that my CA had nothing but straight water in it. If that was the case I'm quite sure that they did have overheating problems over there. I think the UK guys would probabally have the best gauge of how these motors act as they tend to have similar maintenence habit to us and I've never really heard of the UK guys talking about over heating issues. The SR is a great motor in that it was much cheaper to make, they spent less on R&D, and it was more comparable to the competing engines at the time. The CA shares MANY similar aspects to the RB and VG series motors, especially in the head design (minus the 8 port setup, which was dropped for a 4 port setup in the UK motors). Just because the Japanese guys don't like it, doesn't mean it's not a good motor. Just because it's popular, doesn't mean it's the best....

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In most of the cases that you guys see ,Most of the time the rust builds up due to the result that the engine has been sitting for a while before you or any one else bought it and installed it. when they remove the engine from a car in Japan, they don't empty out completely the coolant, so if the engine sits for a while, the rust will build up thus making your engine rusty when opened up, but if the enigne is running most of the time and with proper maintnance, The water jacket should never rust, thats why we use coolant not water in these engines as the coolant that we use has some oil addatives to it to prevent rust, while in Japan due to that it doesn't get cold enough there and average engine age is about 80K km, they only use water instead of coolant .

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anyone laugh when he said the CA is prone to overheating, yet nothing about the SR overheating?

I sure as hell did

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Lol..

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What is a good anti rust addative?

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no idea, it would be great if anyone knew =) heh

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WEll, here in Canada we have coolant that is greenish in color and some are redish color, we actually call them "antifreeze" due to the cold temp. we get here. Apparently the redish color is the new stuff on the market and it suppose to be better, These have some oil type addative to them as far as I know.

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thers some redish kinda coolant here in CA

i use it =)

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my engine wasnt very rusty at all when i opened it up for the first time. of course i involuntarily flushed the coolant half a dozen times when those water pumps kept breaking, but thats not the point. my engine does run hot when in heavy traffic (but only if i come up to the traffic going relatively fast and have to stop and sit in it) but it goes right down when i crank the heater. there would be no reason to stop.

well, ok, lets say my CA has "overheating problems", lets see you rev that stock SR to 8k all day long! better yet, lets do a race to 9k and see who wins! bring it on bee-atch!!!

oh and pulsar, the skyline r34gtr cost 57k brand new i seem to remember.

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