Hi, people!I was wondering if anyone had an opinion on Dayton tires. I got a good quote on 215 65HR15's to replace the current worn POS.
They're apparently made by Bridgestone (undoubtedly a lower line), and come with a 65K km warranty. The quote I got was for $543.47 Cdn (probably about $425/450 US), mounted balanced, and with "Platinum Protection Plan" that includes the usual road hazard, rotating etc.
I'm looking to balance needs with money, buying a reasonable set of all seasons (I live in Calgary) that'll perform well and last a couple of years, at which time I'll convince my wife of the importance of better/larger wheels and tires.
So anyone have any testimonials - or horror stories - about Dayton? Or alternative suggestions.
Thanks, as always.Jim
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Probably not a bad tire, although the price is pretty high for what you're getting. I'd look at some of the bigger brands (Firestone, Yoko, Michelin) and also consider some of the lesser-known Asian brands (Kumho, Sumitomo, Falken) as they allow you to buy a lot of tire for your money.
Check TireRack.com and see what they have in a 235/60/15. Higher load rating (look for 95 or higher) means less stress on each tire, and they'll last longer (and be safer). 215/65/15 on a Q is like putting an elephant on roller skates. Also keep in mind you'll want to stay towards the lower end of your treadwear ratings. You're correct in not expecting mor than a couple years out of them, so look at some with a treadwear rating of 280-360 for decent wear but good all-season grip.
Most local dealers will match TireRack's prices - They're a good barometer of what a fair price is.
Check TireRack.com and see what they have in a 235/60/15. Higher load rating (look for 95 or higher) means less stress on each tire, and they'll last longer (and be safer). 215/65/15 on a Q is like putting an elephant on roller skates. Also keep in mind you'll want to stay towards the lower end of your treadwear ratings. You're correct in not expecting mor than a couple years out of them, so look at some with a treadwear rating of 280-360 for decent wear but good all-season grip.
Most local dealers will match TireRack's prices - They're a good barometer of what a fair price is.
In Calgary I would consider a set of real winter tires ( Blizzaks) for teh winter.
probably neccessary in order to drive safely and minimize risk of smashing into things with resultant extreme expense.
That mean for summer u can go with real summer/performance tires.
Also keep in mind the stock 15 inchers ,work real well with 235/60-15 instead of the factory 215/65.
Fred...
probably neccessary in order to drive safely and minimize risk of smashing into things with resultant extreme expense.
That mean for summer u can go with real summer/performance tires.
Also keep in mind the stock 15 inchers ,work real well with 235/60-15 instead of the factory 215/65.
Fred...
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Highly unusal to get a tire that will really last on a Q for 40,000 miles [65k-Km]........and still be soft enough in cold weather to function providing anywhere near oem orginal performance.
The braking distance will be longer and the handling inferior to the tire that came from the factory on the Q. H rated tires generally don't perform as well in the wet as V/Z rated tires.
H rated appear to be ok if you keep the speed under 90-100 mph [160 kmhr] especially in colder climates.
Every owner is responsible for his or her own levels of safety vs cost. Remember the Q is probably heavier than most of the cars on the road at 4300 pounds full of gas and the driver.http://www.bridgestonetire.com/CA_EN/dpp/index.asp
This Dayton HR is a directional tire with a 400 A, A rating.
We tend to say Michelin first, then all the rest, but that assumes one is buying a top 3-4 brand as a lessor substitute. When you go to 3rd tier brands all bets are off.
The braking distance will be longer and the handling inferior to the tire that came from the factory on the Q. H rated tires generally don't perform as well in the wet as V/Z rated tires.
H rated appear to be ok if you keep the speed under 90-100 mph [160 kmhr] especially in colder climates.
Every owner is responsible for his or her own levels of safety vs cost. Remember the Q is probably heavier than most of the cars on the road at 4300 pounds full of gas and the driver.http://www.bridgestonetire.com/CA_EN/dpp/index.asp
This Dayton HR is a directional tire with a 400 A, A rating.
We tend to say Michelin first, then all the rest, but that assumes one is buying a top 3-4 brand as a lessor substitute. When you go to 3rd tier brands all bets are off.
For a simple answer:I strongly recommend Yokohama, for superior value, acceptable treadwear (10000-5000 miles under semi-aggressive conditions) and a near-perfect balance of road noise, handling, braking, grip, and safety when its wet on the road.
And on any RWD performance car, get separate winter tires. You can then fully enjoy the Q45's superb handling and braking in the spring summer and fall.
You own a $43000 car (add more for 12 years of inflation!). Maintain accordingly.
-Jesda
And on any RWD performance car, get separate winter tires. You can then fully enjoy the Q45's superb handling and braking in the spring summer and fall.
You own a $43000 car (add more for 12 years of inflation!). Maintain accordingly.
-Jesda
Thanks for your replies.
The Q has winters on the rear wheels right now (I think they're blizzaks, but my wife's out in the car right now pretending she can drive, so I can't check) and the fronts are showing wear, though not excessively. Whatever the show tires are, and given the fact that I haven't had the shocks done yet (the Tokico blues are ordered!), they appear really lousy in summer handling.
Yet, here in Calgary, we don't get a lot of snow (maybe two or three good dumps a year, when I expect to park the Q once I've done a few donuts just to express my joy at returning to rear wheel drive) and so all seasons generally work very well. I used all seasons on my 83 Supra for years very successfully (when I lived in the British Columbia interior I needed straight winters), though of course that's a lot lighter car.
I did get a quote on Yokohama AVS U+4's, which came in at about $150 Cdn installed, plus 11 bucks for balancing, plus the inevitable tax grabs. Don't remember the warranty, but I imagine they're pretty standard.
Will the Yokohamas be that much better to warrant the price differential? I face a wife who frowns at the mention of spending any more money after the $3300 timing chain guides job and pending shock installation, so I'm trying to walk a fine line between performance, handling (for a year or two), and divorce.
Thanks!
The Q has winters on the rear wheels right now (I think they're blizzaks, but my wife's out in the car right now pretending she can drive, so I can't check) and the fronts are showing wear, though not excessively. Whatever the show tires are, and given the fact that I haven't had the shocks done yet (the Tokico blues are ordered!), they appear really lousy in summer handling.
Yet, here in Calgary, we don't get a lot of snow (maybe two or three good dumps a year, when I expect to park the Q once I've done a few donuts just to express my joy at returning to rear wheel drive) and so all seasons generally work very well. I used all seasons on my 83 Supra for years very successfully (when I lived in the British Columbia interior I needed straight winters), though of course that's a lot lighter car.
I did get a quote on Yokohama AVS U+4's, which came in at about $150 Cdn installed, plus 11 bucks for balancing, plus the inevitable tax grabs. Don't remember the warranty, but I imagine they're pretty standard.
Will the Yokohamas be that much better to warrant the price differential? I face a wife who frowns at the mention of spending any more money after the $3300 timing chain guides job and pending shock installation, so I'm trying to walk a fine line between performance, handling (for a year or two), and divorce.
Thanks!
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Try those. $47 each plus road hazard, mounting and balancing, should keep you rolling safely and out of the doghouse.
Try those. $47 each plus road hazard, mounting and balancing, should keep you rolling safely and out of the doghouse.
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Unless it's under 40° F and she is under 30 mph, they are probably seriously compromised. If it is over 60° F, dry and she is driving over 60 mph for an extended period, they are probably toast.gymbeau wrote:The Q has winters on the rear wheels right now (I think they're blizzaks, but my wife's out in the car right now pretending she can drive, so I can't check)
Unless it's under 40° F and she is under 30 mph, they are probably seriously compromised. If it is over 60° F, dry and she is driving over 60 mph for an extended period, they are probably toast.
Well, today it's about 31 C (90-ish F?) and knowing her she's probably driving about 30 mph (though even she has trouble keeping the Q to the speed limit, so there's hope for her yet); I guess that means it's probably six of one and 1/2 dozen of the other.
Either way, it sounds like I'd be best served dumping the winters....
Cheers!
Well, today it's about 31 C (90-ish F?) and knowing her she's probably driving about 30 mph (though even she has trouble keeping the Q to the speed limit, so there's hope for her yet); I guess that means it's probably six of one and 1/2 dozen of the other.
Either way, it sounds like I'd be best served dumping the winters....
Cheers!
I just got a phone quote locally on the Yokohama Avid S/T’s for $47US.
$550 Canadian for four, everything included. Amazing the price differentials, isn't it? It's like that with most things. Just one of the "advantages" of living in the arms of Big Mother Government.
The dealer has two of the tires in stock, so I could get rid of the winters on Monday and wait for the other two to come in (week and a half, estimate).
Will a couple of weeks on my old shocks shorten their life much, or be unsafe or whatever?
Thanks.
$550 Canadian for four, everything included. Amazing the price differentials, isn't it? It's like that with most things. Just one of the "advantages" of living in the arms of Big Mother Government.
The dealer has two of the tires in stock, so I could get rid of the winters on Monday and wait for the other two to come in (week and a half, estimate).
Will a couple of weeks on my old shocks shorten their life much, or be unsafe or whatever?
Thanks.
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I would think it would be very very foolish to run S or T rated tires on a Q as the margin of safety would be significantly reduced below an H which is already marginal.
The Q came with V V V V V V rated tires.........don't think that because you don't drive 150 mph a less robust tire is safe....they used the extra margin in V rated tires to compensate for the use of a 95 load index.........to fit the wheels they had in mind.
The oem tires acted more like 98 or 100 load rating before failure!
The Q came with V V V V V V rated tires.........don't think that because you don't drive 150 mph a less robust tire is safe....they used the extra margin in V rated tires to compensate for the use of a 95 load index.........to fit the wheels they had in mind.
The oem tires acted more like 98 or 100 load rating before failure!
Thanks for all your advice and help, friends. I thought I'd report on what I bought.
Oy, Canada! Seems you can't get a decent set of V rated tires for 15 inch rims anymore here in the once great white North. Too small a market.
The only ones I could find were Michelin Pilots, for $1000. Those were 215/65's, and they had H rated 235/60's for $950. I just couldn't afford that right now, what with just having the timing chain guides done and the shocks being ordered. But I desperately wanted to get rid of the winters that were on the Q when I bought it. Between them, the wearing of the fronts, and the lack of shocks (well, they're there, but they might as well not be!), the beautiful Q handled like an old Town Car, nodding agreeably over frost heaves and wiggling its *** like a stripper over bumps and around corners.
I ended up settling for Bridgestone Eagers, apparently a new line (so new they aren't even on the Canadian Web site yet though they're on the US side). H rated, alas, 215/65, alas, but the best of an inadequate lot. Should serve me okay for a couple of years, however, and it does reinforce my plan to get new, larger wheels a couple of years down the road when I can afford them so I can get some tires worthy of the Q.
Handling has already improved, though the shocks are so bad I won't know just how adequate or inadequate the tires are until the Tokico Blues find their way home.
So thanks again for all your help and feel free to comment on my compromise. And don't be afraid to flame; it's a learning experience for me and I can take it!
Hope I didn't anger too many Lincoln fans with my joke about the Town Car!
CheersJim
Oy, Canada! Seems you can't get a decent set of V rated tires for 15 inch rims anymore here in the once great white North. Too small a market.
The only ones I could find were Michelin Pilots, for $1000. Those were 215/65's, and they had H rated 235/60's for $950. I just couldn't afford that right now, what with just having the timing chain guides done and the shocks being ordered. But I desperately wanted to get rid of the winters that were on the Q when I bought it. Between them, the wearing of the fronts, and the lack of shocks (well, they're there, but they might as well not be!), the beautiful Q handled like an old Town Car, nodding agreeably over frost heaves and wiggling its *** like a stripper over bumps and around corners.
I ended up settling for Bridgestone Eagers, apparently a new line (so new they aren't even on the Canadian Web site yet though they're on the US side). H rated, alas, 215/65, alas, but the best of an inadequate lot. Should serve me okay for a couple of years, however, and it does reinforce my plan to get new, larger wheels a couple of years down the road when I can afford them so I can get some tires worthy of the Q.
Handling has already improved, though the shocks are so bad I won't know just how adequate or inadequate the tires are until the Tokico Blues find their way home.
So thanks again for all your help and feel free to comment on my compromise. And don't be afraid to flame; it's a learning experience for me and I can take it!
Hope I didn't anger too many Lincoln fans with my joke about the Town Car!
CheersJim
Thanks. I hadn't realized there was a built in censor, though; I would have said "bum" (assuming that gets through).
Besides, it's true. Well, almost. The Q still handles okay, but I think it only hints at how it'll be once the Tokicos are installed. Wish they'd get here! I'd have ordered them from Scottsdale, but the dealer doing the install warned about warranties etc. from crossing the border.
Undoubtedly more a job security thing....
Cheers!
Besides, it's true. Well, almost. The Q still handles okay, but I think it only hints at how it'll be once the Tokicos are installed. Wish they'd get here! I'd have ordered them from Scottsdale, but the dealer doing the install warned about warranties etc. from crossing the border.
Undoubtedly more a job security thing....
Cheers!
I think they're being made up especially for me. :rolleyes
I had ordered them through a local performance shop, and given a $200 deposit, but the shop pulled a midnight move and left me back at square one and poorer.
The local Infiniti dealer refused to quote on them; would only sell me OEM's. I shan't give them another chance.
So I'm getting them done by the local Nissan dealer who did my guides. $1200 CDN installed, about $700 more than the racing shop when you include the departed deposit.
But what can you do? I'm an idiot when it comes to doing the work myself (and many other things too, some would argue...) and I'm tired of waiting.
This is an awful place to live if you expect service, selection, price and quality. Well, for many other reasons, too, most involving smugness and a desire for creeping socialism...
Despite that, Calgary (and Alberta) is an island of relative sanity in this once great nation.
So I'll grit my teeth and bear it, then hope nothing else goes wrong before I can fix (well, have fixed) the A/C display, the intermittent starting problem, the intermittent vibration at idle...
Don't get me wrong, I love the car more each time I drive it (hell, each time I look at it!) and I knew I'd be sinking money into it. It's just frustrating dealing with Canucks when this forum clearly shows there are a lot better choices out there if I could only access them from up here in a reasonable manner.
Now, how about some cheese for my whine?
Have a great one!
I had ordered them through a local performance shop, and given a $200 deposit, but the shop pulled a midnight move and left me back at square one and poorer.
The local Infiniti dealer refused to quote on them; would only sell me OEM's. I shan't give them another chance.
So I'm getting them done by the local Nissan dealer who did my guides. $1200 CDN installed, about $700 more than the racing shop when you include the departed deposit.
But what can you do? I'm an idiot when it comes to doing the work myself (and many other things too, some would argue...) and I'm tired of waiting.
This is an awful place to live if you expect service, selection, price and quality. Well, for many other reasons, too, most involving smugness and a desire for creeping socialism...
Despite that, Calgary (and Alberta) is an island of relative sanity in this once great nation.
So I'll grit my teeth and bear it, then hope nothing else goes wrong before I can fix (well, have fixed) the A/C display, the intermittent starting problem, the intermittent vibration at idle...
Don't get me wrong, I love the car more each time I drive it (hell, each time I look at it!) and I knew I'd be sinking money into it. It's just frustrating dealing with Canucks when this forum clearly shows there are a lot better choices out there if I could only access them from up here in a reasonable manner.
Now, how about some cheese for my whine?
Have a great one!
Great idea! I'd love to do taht.
But that would be a couple of years away (we have plans for this, our 30th anniversary).
Besides, my wife's afraid I'll want to stay in the US - and she's right. I'd emigrate in a minute if I were ready for a divorce.
Of course, if I found a gig that would let her not work.... :-)
But that would be a couple of years away (we have plans for this, our 30th anniversary).
Besides, my wife's afraid I'll want to stay in the US - and she's right. I'd emigrate in a minute if I were ready for a divorce.
Of course, if I found a gig that would let her not work.... :-)
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Jim, I'd have bought the shocks FOR you and shipped them if I'd known you were gonna incur that kind of expense.
Hell, I'd have walked you through the installation over the phone as well. Sorry to hear of your travails in the GWN.... There are other members here who claim it is Nirvana. To each his own, I suppose.
In the future, please ask - We're here to help.
Hell, I'd have walked you through the installation over the phone as well. Sorry to hear of your travails in the GWN.... There are other members here who claim it is Nirvana. To each his own, I suppose.
In the future, please ask - We're here to help.
Thanks; I appreciate that. I lack the confidence (and tools) to do the work myself, but I'll definitely keep your offer in mind for future purchase. That's awfully kind of you.
I've found a little shop here that seems to believe in the old fashioned values of building a long term relationship with a client and will use them for most future work. I went to Nissan for the shocks because the little shop was even less competitive for that particular job, but they'll be better for the everyday stuff.
As for Canada being Nirvana, I do appear to be a lonely voice in the wilderness here; guess everyone else who feels as I do has already left...
Ah to be young and single again! Well, not really.
Cheers!
I've found a little shop here that seems to believe in the old fashioned values of building a long term relationship with a client and will use them for most future work. I went to Nissan for the shocks because the little shop was even less competitive for that particular job, but they'll be better for the everyday stuff.
As for Canada being Nirvana, I do appear to be a lonely voice in the wilderness here; guess everyone else who feels as I do has already left...
Ah to be young and single again! Well, not really.
Cheers!