Open letter to Honda owners (and other ricetards).

[Jesda]

http://boston.craigslist.com/a....html

[PantherRacer]

lol.solid.

if I end up with a honda I'm just gonna race on the track, unless someone pulls an attack on me (happens a lot over here surprisingly)

I mean, cruising at a decent clip on the highway, someone races behind you, you both try to get ahead to get past w/e obstacle (roundabout etc)and then take off after that...it's exhilirating lol.I'll never forget the time my friends toyota cavalier got beat by a maxima couldn't help but laugh inside.

[xekushnr]

I'll never forget the time my friends toyota cavalier got beat by a maxima

i didnt know toyota made a cav too. j-bodies are crossing borders! oh nos!

good read though. it was funny.

[PantherRacer]

yeah, the toyota cavalier is quite powerful actually. and it's uuber JDM modified and cool. my friend made me want one...sunroof, manual transmission, rhd, yamaha engine (unless yamaha stopped making toyota engines), and I'd throw a turbo in there for good measure . Too bad it's fwd...

Displacement, cc 2392 Engine model T2 Max.power (Net), kw(PS)/rpm 150 ps (110.33 kw) / 6000 rpm Max.torque(Net), N*m(kg*m)/rpm 22.1 kg*m (216.73 N*m) / 4400 rpm Power density 8.73 Engine type Water cooling serial 4 cylinder DOHC16 valve Engine information Fuel system EFI (electronic fuel injection) Turbocharger No Fuel type Unleaded regular gasoline LEV system (Low emission vehicle) No Compression ratio 9.5 Bore, mm 90 Stroke, mm 94 Final gear ratio Fuel consumption at 10-15 modes, l/100km 10.2

[driverdriver]

I've raced ricers in my Jeep. The I-6 with improved low rev throttle in the '99-01's out accelerates a Honda even with the Jeep's brick like aerodynamics. Slip into 4wd and the launch is amazing, its like chaeting. I've beat ricers and I've literally destroyed riced out Honda's by leading them down pot holed filled country roads-one of the benefits of driving a Jeep. I've had the pleasure of watching body kit components on lowered civics fall off in my rear view mirror.

[Jesda]

I've literally destroyed riced out Honda's by leading them down pot holed filled country roads-one of the benefits of driving a Jeep. I've had the pleasure of watching body kit components on lowered civics fall off in my rear view mirror.

[Fenvy]

more honda s*** talking?

I like honda

[Jesda]

I like Honda, but too many Honda owners are boneheads.

[M3Racer]

Instead of buying a genuinely fast car, you choose to get your rocks off racing easy vehicles in your piece of s***. Way to go, badass! I'm proud of you! Why don't we get together and beat up some kids later. I'll let you sucker punch a baby. It will be hard core.

[Gold Digger]

I like Honda, but too many Honda owners are boneheads.

I used to hate Hondas, then after awhile, I learned it's not the cars I hated, it was the dumb asses who think their bone stock Civic with "Tezza's" and a fart can rollin on a stock set of steelies and an erector ser for a wing providing 16,000 pounds of downforce are faster than a Mustang Cobra R. I actually have come to respect the cars and engines slowly.

[nismofly]

i need a track slut...i have the choice of getting a civic hatch or something and running honda challenge, or getting a miata and running spec miata, both of which normally have fairly good turnouts, or getting a sentra or another s13 and running se-r cup, which has much more west coast presence than east coast

se-r cup is still on top though, its very laid back rules wise...

and i dont know how much pain i would endure on here for building a road race honda...decisions decisions

[MinisterofDOOM]

If anybody gives you s*** about building up a honda, they're a moron.

It's not the car we hate, it's the typical ricetard owners.

Go build up a honda and be a decent honda owner.

At least, it that's what you're looking to do. Personally, the classic SE-R or an NA miata sounds like a much more enjoyable project.

[vicQ45]

after owning a max and a q45 and now an accord, i can't fathom any reason why the 93 accord is worth MORE than the 93 maxima! the cars are in a completely different league. the maxima has even proven to be just as long-lasting(especially when comparing ATs). it has a few inherent problems, but so does the accord. fwd sucks, torque steer sucks, it's ugly, it has NO torque under 3k. it's just a dog to drive. all this for an extra 2-3mpg. not to mention parts are $$$ for this ugly little box... $85 for a case of transmission fluid? what are these "cheap" hondas we keep hearing about. i could go on for 10 pages, but that's enough ranting for now.

funny letter! those ricers always give me a good larf.

[Jesda]

I sold my 93 Accord after one month of ownership. I bought it from the same dealer after the Acura Legend I was going to buy took a dump (transmission died right before I took delivery). The Legend was a bit dull anyway, oh well.

The Accord was competent on the open road (very good ride quality) and efficient on fuel, but the brakes were poop and the transmission, while properly geared, seemed to jerk around a lot. Something about the aerodynamics irked me too, as it was prone to being tossed around by the wind gusts of passing semi trucks.

I'd buy an older Accord for a teenager or poor person in a heartbeat, but it fails as proper transportation for a man with discerning tastes.

Right now, I'm driving my dad's Civic hatchback around, and its surprisingly good for its class.

[MinisterofDOOM]

I just find it funny...

A friend of mine thinks his dad's '03 Accord base model is a fast car. Everytime we get within sight of it, or any time he drives it (he has his own car, but he's got to take the accord to show off in when I go with him anywhere...) he's constantly saying things like "This thing can MOVE!" and "I love this car, it's damn fast."

This is the same kid who thought his auto trans Saturn SL2 (the 2 is DOHC) was fast. In his words "well you would be me in a long race, but I could take you off the line" (referring to my Maxima). He also put the car in neutral at every red light, and then would rev to 2 or 3k RPM and slam it into drive when the light turned green again.

Anyway, I find that damn funny. What I find more funny is that he got horribly insulted when I responded to one of his many "This thing can MOVE!" comments with "Let me get my Maxima and we'll have us a race."

Stupid kids actually think they are FAST cars. They actually think they're designed for sportiness. Think about that for half a second. If the accord was supposed to be sporty, don't you think Honda would have given us Americans the REAL accord, and not a rebadged Inspire?

It makes me laugh. And so does the fact that the brand new accord 4 cyl makes no more power than my old SOHC Maxima (out of half a liter less, with the amazing vtec and all sorts of technologies, it makes a whopping 160 hp and 161 lb ft of torque), but wieghs a fair amount more.

Stupid kids and their damned misinformed "opinions". They'd probably die of orgasmic glee after a spirited ride in a Z32TT.

He's still a damn retard though.

I'd rather have an 89 GXE Maxima than a 2003 accord. Hell...I'd rather have a U12 Stanza! At least the good ol' KA doesn't have any VTEC s*** to ruin low end torque.

[vicQ45]

I'd rather have an 89 GXE Maxima than a 2003 accord. Hell...I'd rather have a U12 Stanza! At least the good ol' KA doesn't have any VTEC s*** to ruin low end torque.

ditto on that! tough to beat the good ol VG! i seriously want to run my accord into a wall every time i accelerate. it doesn't move at all under 3k! its just sickening. i drove my friend's vortec suburban the other day and i almost had a low-end torque orgasm! thats how pitiful this thing is! they tried to smooth out the steering so much that it torque steers every chance it gets. the car just plain can't stop, but that probably has more to do with the crappy goodyear rock-hard like 1,000,000mi value tires the previous owner put on. my max got 17/25mpg in the real world and the accord gets 19.5/27mpg. hardly any difference there. i still say vtec is a joke. its just high revs to excite those stoplight-happy ricers that think vtec=blown magnum 440. and last time i checked, vtec was just clever marketing for vvt. nothing too unique or special there? just a mass-marketed fancy name for it to attract teenagers who can't afford to buy a real car so they pretend their grocery-getter is a porsche gt2. personally, i'm glad to see a little muscle car rebirth after GM killed off their only gutsy iconic beauty after 35 years to replace it with a "cuter, sportier" gto.

dammit, every time i start talking about my accord i just start a good old rant. MoD keep the max til it just gives up and dies. if i hadn't been rear-ended in mine, i'd still be driving it and loving every second of it!

someone needs to post one of those "vtec just kicked in, yo!" pics. those always crack me up!

[PantherRacer]

VTEC PWNS JOO FEWL!

[vicQ45]

aaaah yea that hit the spot perfectly!

[M3Racer]

I <3 my Acura

[JESTER]

I hate the idiot Honda owners, and we all know which little tards I am referring to.

I like some of thier models, but these little punks that get them and wnat to trick them out, and do nothing but screw them up, really get on my nerves.

If you are gonna get a Honda and mod it, do it right, and make it into a nice car, instead of a rolling piece of junk that shouldnt be on the roads.

[MinisterofDOOM]

yeah, the toyota cavalier is quite powerful actually. and it's uuber JDM modified and cool. my friend made me want one...

I wonder why we don't see more JDM tyte RHD converted Chevy cavaliers with JDM tyte Toyota badging on them?

[vicQ45]

I wonder why we don't see more JDM tyte RHD converted Chevy cavaliers with JDM tyte Toyota badging on them?

went to the j-body forums a while back. pretty sad actually. LOTS of "JDM" toyota badging going on there. the cavalier is easily hands-down the worst driving experience i've ever had

[PantherRacer]

it's because the Japanese guys are into USDM badging and USDM style big bodykits and giant wings...Yup, We want JDM, and they want USDM and Spo-Com styling...what's the future hold?????

[Mr1der]

Vtec is in the cam design.

it's got an extra profile in it..I can't remember exactly how it works, but it's not just timing. I believe it'll open up the lift and duration a little bit...it tries to have civilized low end drivability while being able to open up and feel sporty without crazy idling and still get good economy...

it almost works. Ii however aggravates the piss outta me and is not smooth in the slightest.

if anyone wants to drive something with an incredibly smooth powerband and ample torque...drive an SC....it's good from stop to about 4500 rpm shift points (I really need a cam with more duration on it...and a litttle more lift too )

[MinisterofDOOM]

VTEC is a twin-lobe system. Each valve has two lobes: the Standard lobe, and the "VTEC" lobe. They sit next to eachother, and are a few degrees apart (rotationally) and have different shapes to vary duration and lift and such.At whatever point VTEC chooses to "activate", The camshafts shift, and the VTEC lobe takes over.

Basically, it's Honda's desperate attempt to build engines with the VQ's amazing powerband and combination of civility and tire-destroying goodness.

It fails. It STILL feels anemic at low RPM, even compared to the aged SOHC VG-E. And the high end is there--it just takes too damn long to get there. Honda redlines make the VQ's 62k redline look low.

There's just something twisted and torturous about waiting for an engine to finally find it's peak RPM range.

The stupid thing about all this is that EVERYONE uses some form of VTEC.Honda is just the only ones who have become dependent on it to produce a decent engine, and the only ones who have used media campaigns to turn it into a mysterious superpower that all ricers should desire.

[Mr1der]

I much prefered my B18A....it was a good motor.

had good torque still...I think 130 or so....not quite the T Bird however

[driverdriver]

went to the j-body forums a while back. pretty sad actually. LOTS of "JDM" toyota badging going on there. the cavalier is easily hands-down the worst driving experience i've ever had

The J-body forums are fun to go to for a good heartylaugh out loud laugh. These J-body "enthusiasts" swear there are cars are the best handling and best vehicles ever made. It makes me sad to know that none of these people have owned or experienced a real car.

[Sil40_Mayhem]

Having (shamefully enough) owned and driven a J body before, all I can say is teh über sux0r weaksauce... No power, anemic braking, and handling like a water balloon on wheels.

On a positive note, it did somehow manage to provide decent fuel economy and over 138K worry-free miles.

[vicQ45]

its not just the ugliness and sad performance of the j-bodys i can't stand. i put up with both those just fine in my honda(jbodies are still much uglier though). my biggest complaint about those cars is the seating and visibility. the seat is arched back and placed as close to the floor as possible to make the car "seem" bigger on the inside. the end result is almost zero visibility. you end up looking at the sky, not the road. i'm 6'2" and this shouldn't be a problem for me. j-bodies and neons have the worst visibility of any car i've ever driven. i simply can't stand to drive them. i guess we now know where all that mysterious front-end damage on j-bodies comes from. you have to guess where the freakin end of the hood is! j-bodies will go quite a while with no major mechanical problems, but all the interior pieces(radio, blower motor, etc) die off pretty quick. not a bad price at the ridiculoussly low msrp however. i'd rather spend 7-8k on a new cav than 16k on a new base civic and save the left over money for a real car.

[StatixNWH]

hondas are good cars and ther enot slow if you put alot of money into them, but still hondas are cool.