One failed project is the start of another

[nelson8708]

Demise of the 302 build

Out one night at a domestic spot watching a bunch of muscle run on the street with some buddies. After a few races one of them says i should do a v8 swap in the s13. One of the kids (friend but, not that close of a friend) that was there with us said his dad (who owns a mustang shop) would sell me a full 302 swap for 500 bones. So i figure 300$ for a custom drive shaft and 200$ for random materials to make mounts and an exhaust. So i told them if they could sell my ka24e-t swap for 1K i would do it. A few days pass and they find a buyer for me. Before money exchanges hands and i pull the swap i call the kid to make sure his dad was cool with the deal and he said its good to go. So i sell my swap with all my extra ka parts and a couple weeks later i call the kid and he gives me the # to his dad's shop. I call and after BS'ing with his dad for a few minutes i ask him when would be able to come pick up the 302 swap and he doesn't have clue what i'm talking about. So i tell him what the story was and he said his son never mentioned it to him and the swap would run me 1K. So, more less that kid screwed me.... I spend the next month or so searching the local craigslist and junkyards. I found one in the junk yard that was complete for the most part. I tune it over but, the plugs were removed? I pull it anyway and after i get it out i drop the oil pan to find two shattered rods. Waste of a day...... Finding a mustang T5 is harder than what i thought it would be and about 500$. Now i'm opened to doing any nissan swap be it a ka, sr, ca, rb or what ever. After not finding much a couple ka's pop up on nico and they are 8 hours (round trip) away. So i make the trip to get a S13 ka24de with a blown HG and 130K on it for 200$. That is where i am today after tearing it apart last night and wishing i hadn't sold all my extra parts with my swap that i now need.

End story

So last night i tore apart the ka i bought with a susposedly blown HG apart . This thing is dirty as hell inside. I drained what looked like 5 quarts of mud from the oil pan. No joke this stuff looked like pudding. The cams had surface rust all over them some lobes looked worse than others. Once i got the pan off i found most of the timing components in it (kid told me it had a light timing chain rattle). Well just like a ka24e i had the tension side guide on the lower chain was completely gone and the chain had worn a hole through the coolant passage in the front cover so i didn't have a blown HG. I got the cylinder head off and it looks in worse shape than it is. I think the biggest thing it needs is a bath like the rest of the engine. The pistons and cylinder walls look fine other than some carbon build up on the pistons. All the bearings were shot but, that was expected with the coolant oil mix that had been in there. The bearing surfaces on looked good (thank god). I hope to have the short block reassembled in a few weeks. I'm going for an all around fun street car with build this time with minimal lag. Probably a small T3 of some sort running 12-14spi. So far i have picked up 550cc injectors and bought a megasquirt kit. I still need to find a s13 dizzy as i didn't get one with the engine.













^ This is where my shell is at after flatting out the bay and installing a full ES hyper flex bushing kit.

^ I'll build the kit over winter.

[Razi]

Dang that sucks man.Good luck with the new project!

[1sikS13]

sorry to hear about the 302 swap gone bad. But look on the bright side. You have returned to the truck motor. And boosting a KA with a small T3 is awesome. I did it with my kit. I run a 60 trim wheel on a 52 ar compressor housing, and it rips nuts at 14 psi. No lag at all. P.S. i have a dizzy for you if you need one. email me at [email protected] if you need it still

[neverlift]

was it someone on nico, if so post the name brother, I want to know.

glad to see you not giving up the hunt man, come to fla you can find a 302 for the price of a 6 pack, often...

the t5 on the other hand seems harder to find. got a buddy having issues so he plans to 350 his trunk back bustang.

[WDRacing]

Bummer on the 302 swap. Not to many of those around

[nelson8708]

i just wanted to do it for the "wow factor". V8 swapped s13's are some what rare in indy but, a 450whp turbo v8 swapped s13 is unheard of.....here at least.......A nice 300whp ka will do for now

[nelson8708]

was it someone on nico, if so post the name brother, I want to know.

I'm going to use your write up so i can keep using my sohc tach. You got any pics since the ones on the write up are gone.

And no the kid is not on nico or i would let you

him

[WDRacing]

Yeah, that would have been sweet. I'll do a V8 swap one of these days...

[neverlift]

I can look brother, its very simple though.

pull out the cluster and locate the letters TAM on the thin circuit board, then cut that wire about 6~10 inches back from the plug. Then run a wire from the coil ground I think, but if that is not it use the positive, to the wire you just cut.

[nelson8708]

IIRC you said the positive wire in your write up. Sounds easy enough.....pics wont be necessay then.

I went and traded a few things and got a transmission, alternator, starter, and all the brackets to do the single belt setup this weekend..........DO WORK

[neverlift]

what single belt? moar information!

anyone see the new no tensioner belts they have now? something about it self tensions forever

[driftin_sr20det]

Wow never would have guessed you would have left the world of SOHC KA-T haha. Wish I knew you were looking for a dual cam, could have got you one for less than $200 and saved you an 8 hour trip! GLWB Hey if your still interested in doing some V8 nastyness I know where you can get a baby LT1 which is about the same size as the 5.0 and its clean!

[WDRacing]

Whats a baby LT1?

[nelson8708]

what single belt? moar information!

anyone see the new no tensioner belts they have now? something about it self tensions forever

Yeah, i saw those self tension belts on the SEMA show on speed this morning....crazy stuff.

http://www.ka-t.org/forums/vie...+belt

Driftin_sr20det

Maybe in a few years when i get bored and want to change it up again i'll make sure to hit up everyone for a engine.

[neverlift]

ohI thought you meant single belt to run all the acc. Like the sohc trucks do it.

is a baby lt1?do you mean low miles? or a 4.3? or what?

twin turb'd 302 or bust man!!!!

[nelson8708]

ohI thought you meant single belt to run all the acc. Like the sohc trucks do it.

You probably could if you wanted to since using the ka24e brackets put the alt in line with the groove the p/s normally uses. You would just need a really long belt. The only question would be can the belt grab the water pump pulley enough to not slip.

Well i put in some serious time yesterday to get some stuff done since i was busy all weekend. I honed, cleaned, painted and assembled the short block. The rings in every pistons were seized pretty bad. Removed all of them cleaned the dome, and ring grooves then re assembled. I plastic-gauged the bearing and the mains are in spec while the rods are loose.....with in limit but, loose. Then earlier today i removed all the valves and power washed the cylinder head. Its night and day with what i started with. Going to lap all the valves and hopefully have it re assembled by the weekend and back on the block. Next weekend i want to tear down the oil pump and see what kinda condition its in and put a bead on the groove that the timing chain rubbed in to the coolant passage.

^paint still drying





^picked up that f250 turbo.....i didn't even notice it when i bought it but, this thing is backwards to a normal turbo. The turbine inlet comes off to the left instead of the right when looking at it from the back and the compressor outlet is opposite also. Its going to be a pain in the a** to use it but, it'd be a waste of money if i dont. I'll have to weld a normal t3 inlet to the turbine and a normal 4 bolt outlet. Should have bought a holset

[driftin_sr20det]

4.3L L99 is essentially a baby lt1. Everything is the same minus stroke and bore. Only produced for like 2 years and put in 94-96 caprice/impala. Sorry for the confusion, didn't expect people to even notice it and be like haha & I will stay out of the thread... Sorry....
Modified by driftin_sr20det at 7:47 AM 12/24/2009

[neverlift]

I love my 4.3 vortec! boosted it would be a beast.

[WDRacing]

A T3/TO4E on a 4.3 Vortec with just a low 12 psi would be a great daily. I've wanted a DIY Typhoon for years

[nelson8708]

Got bored so i decide to mess with the combustion chamber a little bit. It will probably drop the compression .2-.4 ...........Not finished yet.



Anyone had a extra set of flywheel to crank bolts they want to get rid of???? I didn't get any when i bought the engine.

[nelson8708]

Cylinder head is on and timing components. This is the first time i've had to time a dohc engine so you guys let me know if its off a tooth. I lined up the colored chain links with the punch marks on the sprockets so hopefully she is where she needs to be. I rotated it over by hand so i know the valves dont hit but, i dont have to be off 1 tooth and be missing out of power. I should have the engine completed by the end of this holiday weekend.

Happy new year everyone



^cams cleaned up nice

^Do the cam lobes seem to be in the correct position (#1 tdc compression stroke)^I put red dots where the notches are in the cam gears....timing correct?

[trackslut240]

it looks right on, but i still have a feeling that the cam lobes are spread apart a tad more than what they should be. have a look at jwt cam .http://jimwolftechnology.com/w...S.PDF

did u line up the lower chain perfectly to the marks? coz that one will screw up timing too, and that is an easy one to mess up. maybe i am not seeing it properly.after matching it to the picture in the pdf, it looks dead on, just check on the bottom chain. its gonna be a pita.looks dead on target according to this picture, now i have to check mine..

http://jimwolftechnology.com/w...E.PDF

[nelson8708]

Engine is complete. I hope to have it in the car either this weekend or next. I still need to pickup pressure plate bolts, bell housing bolts, and a pilot bushing.



p.s.

Ordering a lot of sr parts for a buddies build this week. I like building engines just as much a beating on them.

[nelson8708]

Installed the engine / transmission this past weekend. The battery just went out on the $h!t-vic so my buddy hondologist is going to hook me up with his old battery out of his DC for cheap. If that battery is still good and i dont have to go buy a new one then i'll be ordering my flanges this upcoming weekend for my manifold.



P.S.I found that if you use a ka24e alternator that the 35" belt you would normally use with the single belt setup is to short, you need a 36" belt. Both advance auto and auto zone couldn't get a 3 rib 36" belt but, advance could get a 36.5" belt which is what i ended up getting. Its at the max of the adjustment in the alt. bracket but, its tight. Just a little fyi if you end up using a ka24e alt. Napa or carquest might be able to get the 36" 3 rib however.....i never checked.

Part # 365K3 @ advance auto

Here is a short list of BKR7E spark plug part numbers. I had to search though many threads to gather them all up.

6097, 1283, 6466, 4644 all are the same plug except some come pre-gapped and others dont.
Modified by nelson8708 at 8:17 PM 1/18/2010

[WDRacing]

Always verify pre-gapped plugs.

Looking good man. What color did you paint the intake? Aluminum?

[nelson8708]

Yeah, i dont think I've ever run stock plug gap since i've owned my s13. The paint i used was "Cast Alum.". On the my ka24e build i used "alum." and it was way to shiny, almost chrome. "Cast alum." is much more of a dull gray, which is what i was looking for. What ever brand auto zone sells is what i used (dont have the can anymore to look).

[nelson8708]

I decided it wouldn't be worth the hassle to make that turbo off the ford f250 work so i went out and got a different one. Hopefully when i get it the wheels are in good condition (other than being a little dirty). Some times its better to cut your losses. I hope i can get at least 75$ out of the ford turbo local or sell it on ebay for that.

T04B

[nelson8708]

Just a little update on my progress. I've ordered 2 3" v-band sets, T4 flange, EMUSA 38mm gate, and a egay cast manifold. I had to cut the heads off the bolts that hold the chra to the turbine housing off (badly rusted). Once i got all them off i'm happy to say that turbo is in great condition. I've gotten a little discourage in using the Megasquirt so right now i'm looking at a e-manage for a very good deal. If that falls though i'm going to try using the ford edis setup vs the stock nissan ignition that i had orginally planned to use. The megasquirt forums aren't as helpful as i had hoped.....warning to others thinking about getting a megasquirt..........you are pretty much on your own as far as figuring out problems. I'll throw up some pics when i start making / bolting parts up.

-Nelson

[WDRacing]

Someone a while back used a DSM ECU and the DSM injectors/MAF and possibly some other stuff and it ran great. Just something to look into...

WD

[nelson8708]

Placed the turbo in the best position i could. Its about a inch away from the BMC, which is better than most ebay manifolds (still bad i know). I'm going to have a turbo blanket on the turbine and a heat shield on the bmc. Hot pipe tacked together and turbo flange tacked onto the egay manifold. I hope to have the manifold, hot pipe, cold pipe and turbo intake finished by next sunday and maybe start on the DP which is going to be a b**** to say the least.



-Nelson

p.s.Waiting to get my e-manage blue in the mail.

E-manage blueInjector harnessTiming harnessSupport tool

For 225$ shipped.......sounds like a deal to me