Okay, I am a newb to tires!

Post by **ESPER** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

hello! i have been spending so much time learning about engines, and driving techniques i have overlooked the importance of tires!! Recently i found that my tires are BALD i am losing control like crazy!! so i needsome new tires. currently i got Daytona P205/55ZR16's on my 1995 s14. I have a low to mid-low budget as of now and i do serious driving on mountain passes and drifts and street. recomendations are appreciated!!

Website · Post by **s13sr20chris** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...&y=11

check that out!

so2's still available for you my friend. get them. they completely rock.

Website · Post by **s13sr20chris** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

oh, and on the next page michelin pilot sports are on sale. thats a good buy. talk to grant about that.

Post by **Grant@tirerack** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

Call me direct and I can help you out with any questions you have about fitments or tire models. :thumbup

Post by **ESPER** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

so what are the most basic things to look for when choosing a tire? and what makes those two choices stand out from others? ok i iwll do some research and call u up for any question, thanks guys!

Post by **ESPER** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

i noticed that these are summer tires, what are some high performance all season tires? cuz rainy season is on its way !

Post by **Grant@tirerack** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

For an ultra-high-performance all-season tire, I'd look at these:

Sumitomo HTR+ $62.00Yokohama AVS DB S2 $99.00Continental Extreme Contact $75.00Bridgestone Potenza RE 950 $116.00

Website · Post by **s13sr20chris** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

i have experience with the above mentioned sumitomo htr+ and potenza re950. both nice tires. i have an unfair prejudice against continental tires; i hate them. the potenza so2 is really very good in the rain. think of it, you could have an r compound tire on your car. better yet, four of them.

Post by **ESPER** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

thanks again guys! i am kinda leaning towards the yoko's, but i will do a bit more reasearch and figure out budget, one last question though, is it ok to buy just the front two tires frist, for example and get the rears a month later?

Post by **dareo** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

Sumitomo HTR+s are pretty nice, i have tons of grip in all weather. They seem to be wearing kinda fast, that might just be me trying to peel out and drift all the time though. I sure dont baby them.

Post by **Grant@tirerack** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

It would be best to save up and do them all at once. Mixing tires on wet pavement is bad mojo. You get two different traction rates with the tread compounds and patterns. It's best to keep it all the same. If you have no choice, put the newer tires out back to begin with. If you get on wet pavement the car will be more stable. If you have the lower traction tires on the back, the rear will tend to cut loose easier and that can force the car into a very bad and sudden understeer situation.

Post by **ESPER** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

thanks again!

Post by **Nismo_Freak** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

Grant@tirerack wrote:For an ultra-high-performance all-season tire, I'd look at these:

Sumitomo HTR+ $62.00Yokohama AVS DB S2 $99.00Continental Extreme Contact $75.00Bridgestone Potenza RE 950 $116.00

HTR+'s are pretty bad IMO... Chet doesn't like them as well and now that I've had to deal with people bringing them back I understand why.

Yokohama's are a good choice

Continental EC's I have no experience with but they make alot of OEM tires for the upper class German makes.

Potenza's typically are a good tire... haven't had any problems with the 950s.

Grant I don't know if the RE730 is still offered but me and friends liked that tire and I'd suggest it to homesauce

Post by **Nismo_Freak** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

Grant@tirerack wrote: If you have the lower traction tires on the back, the rear will tend to cut loose easier and that can force the car into a very bad and sudden understeer situation.

Oversteer ... Grant

It's ok ... I had a lady come in today thinking her alignment was making her get flat tires

BTW, what you think of the P-Zero Rosso?

255/40/17 on a 9" wheel

We all know that Chet likes to "man handle" his

(my god man it's a tire!)

I'm also thinking of a set of the softer P-Zero Systems

Post by **96_240sxSE** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

I currently am running the Continental Extreme Contact tires. Have no problems with them so far. But then again...the rainy weather is YET to come!!

Hopefully the great rating on tire rack for these tires is more than just a rating!! LOLGood luck with your tire purchase ESPER!

Post by **Exar-Kun** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

mmm Pzero rosso.....*drools*

I ahve the Pzero asym, the "Pzero system" is a direwction front and asym. rear. iTs use don porshe and ferraris(that I know of) in botht he rosso and old asymetrico Pzero.

out of the tires roeccmened on a budget, the yokhama and the bridgestone get the "chet seal of approval". I like the ride quality with the yok, and the design and truness of both tire, the bridgestone will handle a bit better, IMO(deals with heat more capably)

255-40-17 on a 9" is perfect, thats what porshe ran that size on

the Pzero loves me, and I love it back...nothing wrong with it man.

Post by **gabossie** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

I'm supprised no one has mentioned the Falken Azenis yet, they are a solo 2 favorite, but they aren't the greatest in wet weather. Great summer tire though for the price.

Post by **Nismo_Freak** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

gabossie wrote:I'm supprised no one has mentioned the Falken Azenis yet, they are a solo 2 favorite, but they aren't the greatest in wet weather. Great summer tire though for the price.

Honestly you'd be surprised how they do in the wet weather in terms of grip. However they have poor hydroplane resistance.

Snow/Ice = Bwhahahhahahha... your STUCK! (been there done that

)

Post by **Altiman94** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

I saw some 325-30-R19's on a viper in the dealership today

Post by **Altiman94** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

maybe it was 355-30's. I don't remember now, but they were huge!

Post by **Q45tech** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

"they have poor hydroplane resistance."

Hydroplanning a mostly a function of tread compound softness and inflation pressure...........when it rains run 40+ cold you will pick up 5 mph in safe speed

For airplanes:The formula that is used to compute hydroplaning speed is: Minimum total hydroplaning speed (knots) equals 9 times the square root of tire inflation pressure (psi) or:V = 9 ÆP For the B-757 main wheels at 144 psi, the speed would be:9 Æ144 = 108 knots.====~~~125mphFor cars the same formula applies:30 psi = 49.3 kts= 55 mph40 psi = 57 kts = 66 mph44 psi = 59 ktsObviously the above is not perfect and can change by 3-5% depending on compounds and tread design........

Ever wonder why trucks don't hydroplane [going straight] at 60-70-80 mph..........check their tire pressure

"Goodyear-supplied data accumulated at this facility for the Bridgestone Potenza S-03, the Michelin Pilot Sport and the F1 GS-D3. Typically, this data is taken at 2mph (which establishes a 100% footprint "baseline"), 40 mph, 60 mph and sometimes higher speeds, depending on the tire or the testing required. In this case, the data was for 2, 40 and 60 mph. At 2mph, obviously, all three had 100% of the footprint area retained on a pass through the .080-in water. At 40 mph, They varied from 88% area retention for the Goodyear and the Bridgestone to 91% for the Michelin. At 60 mph, things changed. The Michelin dropped to 61% of the area retained. The Bridgestone was at 64% and the Goodyear was at 67%." ........from http://www.zr1.net/F1G3D3.html

Who checks ther inflation pressure, easy to cheat and make your tires look better with a pound or two of added pressure.

Post by **Grant@tirerack** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

Oversteer, yes! (Must have more coffee). The Rosso is a great Summer tire but not as nice when the temps get below 50 Degrees out.

Website · Post by **s13sr20chris** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

so does hydroplaning come on sooner with softer or harder tread? i know that is prob elementary, but i did not catch it?

Post by **prigo** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

So how do you hot hydroplane on BALD tires? My rear tires are done

Post by **ESPER** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

hmmi cant find the bridgestone potenza RE 950 on tirerack! link me!

Website · Post by **s13sr20chris** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:45 am

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...0S_=4

Okay, I am a newb to tires!

Okay, I am a newb to tires!

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