OK OK OK So i bought SSautoChrom then sold it for 530$ on ebay now What do i buy

[uvamosk]

Alright.... Just sold the turbo Kit from SSautoCrap for 530$ on ebay complete kit not bad for the guy who bought it since i paid 700$ o well

Now.. Where should i start to learn about turbos...

I was looking at the Gt28r but its to small for me 350hp is the max out so i read... and the Gt30r is like 1300$ used LOL *sarchasim*

So any way Can someone point me to a direction to turn.. Ill try to do a search but i dont know what im really looking for... Any help you guys can give me would be great...


Modified by uvamosk at 2:34 PM 12/19/2005

[turbo2nr]

an internal wastegate setup is cheaper/ then external,

internal you can use a ssa mainfold for t-25/t28 thats good for about 230-270whp depending on turbo and supporting mods, you will need the

turbo-$100-$400 depending on condition and sizemainfold-ssa $150downpipe-$150 megan racingturbo elbow-$100 megan racingi/c pipes- ebay-$175bov-$150-$250fmic- ebay-$175oil lines ect-$200

look at about roughly $800 for internal wastegate t-25/t28 turbo good for about 200-240whp w/ supporting mods (370cc injector, 255, and apex-i safc)

external wastegate

t3/t4, to4- $300-600revhard mainfold $350tublar equal lenght $600+downpipe 3" has to be fabricated about $150-200external wastegate 38mm-$250-300 (tial w. 8psi spring)i/c pipes about $200 fabricatedfmic- $175 ebaybov-$150-250oil lines ect- $200

that gona run about 1200+ w/o supporting mods, on 6psi w/ to4b you will see about 180whp with a 255ing tank and a 12:1 disk..

up it to 10psi w/ 370cc and a safc with the right tune and you can see 230whp as compared to the maxed out t25@14-16psi making the same hp.

at 14-16psi the t25/t28 is running at max. efficency, air becomes hot and its not to efficent.

im gona go with a external wastegate dumped into d/p using a to4b and a revhard.

my 0.02

[cyrus240sx]

IMHO just save up your money and buy an IAP stage 1 kit.... it comes with everything you need to be turboed and nico members even get a discount...

but if you really want to go cheap, buy a weld-it-yourself manifold from http://www.jgstools.com , a internal waste gated T3 turbo from http://www.turbocalculators.com , weld up yourself a downpipe, buy an IC from http://www.johnnyracecar.com , make yourself some piping, buy a walbro fuel pump, a set of 370cc injectors, a 300zx maf, and a SAFC.... good for probably 300hp.... but thats only if you can weld

dont buy SSAC anything, keep away from ebay crap, and your good to go...

oh and btw turbo2nr, 245's out back ain't got nothing on 275's Out Back

[mirra32]

^^^^^^^i'm doing that setup and i'll add as i get comfortable....can't wait...daily driver here

internal you can use a ssa mainfold for t-25/t28 thats good for about 230-270whp depending on turbo and supporting mods, you will need the

turbo-$100-$400 depending on condition and sizemainfold-ssa $150downpipe-$150 megan racingturbo elbow-$100 megan racingi/c pipes- ebay-$175bov-$150-$250fmic- ebay-$175oil lines ect-$200

look at about roughly $800 for internal wastegate t-25/t28 turbo good for about 200-240whp w/ supporting mods (370cc injector, 255, and apex-i safc)

[uvamosk]

I should have been a little more descriptive about my build.. Im running Crower Rods, Wiesco pistons, Stainless steel valves, Stainless steel springs, Titanium retainers. 3 angle valve job and ported. Im looking for 400 to 500hp range... and i have a JWT ecu tuned for 550cc injectors though im going to buy a Safc and try to tune it for the 720cc's or a Emanage.. Im looking at over 500$ for the turbo.. I have 500$ in cash and could go to as high as maybe 900$ I already have a Cast Iron smoothed Manifold with a 38mm waste gate placed right at the collector its a great manifold paid $$$ for it.. So I mostly just need a turbo I just dont know enought o know what to get ... I read the map on the GT30r and it seems like a great turbo for my build and supports up to 500hp... but 1300$ is a bit much for my blood... I want something that can spool by at leas 3500 and have enough through put for 500hp because the Ka24De can only do 7k REDline

[uvamosk]

just a bump so you can read !!

[cyrus240sx]

ahhh ok.... well then you don't necessarily need a gt30r.... you could always do just a gt30 or gt32... and also most high hp turbos for the ka wont spool until ~4k rpm especially ones that are able to support 500hp

[uvamosk]

Ok here is what i have got on my plate to choose from I have found

The T60-1 with a stage 3 wheel and .63 a/r which I think will spool at around 4k leaving me 3000 RPM to be in ICK unless i push REd line out to 8k from 7k which with the Stainless steel valves, springs, titanium retainers It might be poosiable but then again it might blow up lo...

Then option two GT30R Which seems to be what appears to be the best turbo for the ka24de engine.. with a .82 A/r

OR option 3 I talked to a guy from a place that sells turbo I told me Gt35R ????

I guess the question is this Can someone put in perspective 400WHP ? in a 240sx for me IS it insane to have that Much HP or not? Should I quest for over 450WHP in a 240sx I guess I need to step back to reality...

[uvamosk]

O forgot Option 4 I run a T60-1 with stage 3 and .63 a/r and then !!! Go buy a Direct Port Nitrous System and jet that for about 50hp or so then tune the turbo to push me to 400WHp then Spray for the other 50whp to 75Whp????

Anyway I have 500$ now.. for the turbo SO i can save and had another 700$ or buy a T60-1 for 669$ NEw

[Chezedik]

SSAC top mount mani- 200*Z31 T3 .60 (cold) .63 A/R (hot)- 70T04b .60 A/R coldside w/ rebuild kit- 15024x6.5x3 FMIC SSAC bar/plate - 200 (actually good quality)Hybrid power intercooler tubing kit for SR - free w/ trade (thinking of selling)38mm Wastegate - 120*Oil lines, etc - 50 (give or take)*480cc Deatchwerks Injectors - 250*Enthalpy ECU - 500*Megan FPR - 40Downpipe - 70 *(make my own with flange and tubing)3" Ebay Exhaust - 350*3" Test pipe (for testing...) - 40*N60 maf - 40TOTAL - 2030HP goal = 260WHP (max for N60)Price per HP (after 155) = $19.30 or cheaper than NOS (in the long run).A lot of that is being generous, and also doesn't include me selling gear that I have and am not using. But given the NOS and a T60 should be good for a wicked fast car, if only for a straight line runner.

[S13FREEAAK]

You could go with a T3/T04E, or a T3/T04S off of cheapturbo.com

[Chezedik]

Yes, and if you do not mind higher boost numbers, then your output would be higher. I just need to run low boost, since I am doing it on a stock block.

[uvamosk]

Well, I want something that will be able to Fight the pack on the street you know... I love drift. I love Drag, and I love just driving !!! So I dont know whats the best turbo setup if you have any oppinos then So a t3/T04e ? or s what kinda power am i looking at??? from those

[S13FREEAAK]

There have been a few people who have made over 400hp on the T3/T04E 50 trim.

If you look through the featured rides section on Ka-t.org you should find a couple.

[Chezedik]

I think even a straight T4 people have done well with, but spool will be an MF. No offense, but it sounds like you want it all. And my old hydraulics teacher used to tell me, "there's no free bananas". Anyway, despite the stupid phrase, you have to decide if you want a street car or not. If you want the most out of the best of both worlds, then yes, BB is probably for you along with the AVC-R, but I think you need to make a critical decision.

[nismofly]

I guess the question is this Can someone put in perspective 400WHP ? in a 240sx for me IS it insane to have that Much HP or not? Should I quest for over 450WHP in a 240sx I guess I need to step back to reality...

more than about 300rwhp isnt very practical for street, youll be going through tires like its your job

that said, you completely lost me on what you have and what you still need...

as far as i can tell you just have a mani, correct? if so, just say so, if not, what else do you have? well go from there

[cyrus240sx]

400whp is not that hard to achieve, especially if you already have a built motor. just run a gt30r with the rest of your setup and youll be fine. if thats too much money then just get the t60 and be done with it.

and nismofly his setup is the fifth post on the page.

[uvamosk]

These is the parts I have...

Crower RodsWiesco Pistons .20 over3 angle valve job Ported headStainless Steel ValvesStainless Steel SpringsTitanium RetainersJWT Ecu That supports Z32 maf and 550cc Injectors.EGR system Well be take out.I'm waiting on my Complete Intake Manifold to be completed Shorting the runners and straighting it out. I have a V-LSD also

What i dont have

I am going to get a Safc2 or a Greddy Emanage to run the 720CC+ injecters I will need to make 400 to 500hp

The valves, springs, and retainers i havent fully had installed yet.. becuase im still debateing if they are worth it or not.. I havent bought them off the Machinest yet but I have the money sitting right here in the bank.

The car will be a Daily Driver, Street car.. I lived with a 1991 Crx that was gutted and had a straight 2.5in exhaust on a B16a1 with mods... so im sure i can deal with Drivablity issues of running this kinda setup lol 3 years of a 8k redline on a complete open exaust with no muffler ... you cant get much worse than that... LOL

Anyway I think if i do the valve train I might be able to push out to 8k but i dont want to the Ka24de has Horrific Rod to stroke... But Im thinking of getting the T60-1.

As for the tire issue Im going to Get a 5lug conversion with Extended Lugs and try to tuck a 10 inch wide wheel up there preping the shell for Wide body fenders this next coming months...

[uvamosk]

Hey Cyrus240sx So you thinking what im thinking of a T60-1Do you know anything about the turbo or ever run one of them... The R sounds like what i want but 1200$ is a little steap I wouldnt mind maybe 800 or so but when i found out i could get a T60-1 for 669$ new Garrett version not a knock off I was kinda thinking about getting it cause Always spray to make up for lag lol

[nismofly]

the width of the tire has little to do with grip so you can rethink that

also youd better plan for more than just an safc or emanage at those power levels, or this built engine wont be lasting long

id say at least a jwt or enthalpy with safc but standalone would be better

[uvamosk]

LOL, I have a JWT ECU setup for 55lbs injectors and z32 maf.. I was going to use the emanage or Safc2 on top that I figure it should be able to handle the injecters but we see...

[nismofly]

oh i see it ok

you really cant tune a jwt 50lb program to run 72lb'ers like you said, most people only run the safc to fine tune the jwt program, but have the program for the parts they have

my advice would be to keep the program you have, run an safc with that, get a t3/t04e, and run like 300-320rwhp until you want more...its not only tires that make it not a good daily, that was just my first example

[gaehrings13]

Hey uva mosk can't wait to get my ssautocrap on thursday to North Miami, LOL. I feel like I just got owned. I just want something to start off with and then build from there little by little, and thanks for the good price. Your setup sounds real good i'm pretty sure you gonna make good number with that engine setup.

-MARJORIE280

[cyrus240sx]

i say run a t60-1.... when i was planning a setup i had that in mind(because of smog i bought a 240z to build instead) and everyone was saying that the gt30r is just a quicker spooling equivalent.... but remember... on any turbo setup, the heart of it is the turbo... so its something you shouldn't skimp money on.... just food for thought

[BlackFlag_s13]

Just throwing this out here dunno if it will meet what youre looking for but T4/GT40 for $900 http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/gat4b.html They also have one with a T3 turbine for spool.

[uvamosk]

Well,

I may I have found what im looking For Borg Warner S200 The map is crazy looking and fits perfect for my setup got a price of 950$ on it and is stated to spool by 3500RPM to 20psi On the JWT I should be able to use a Emanage to get the Injecter sizes I need... Should I. And GaehringsS13 LOl you didnt get Owned but you did get it for cheaper than I paid ... As long as you know what your getting then you get what you expect Thank you though for buying it cause I have half the money for my turbo lol 1k drop on a turbo alone is crazy to me...

[gaehrings13]

I just needed something to start off with, a friend of mines has that ssautochrome b18 kit on his integra and he beats the crap out of it and nothing has happened to the turbo. The car pulls really hard and spools up pretty quick, I was actually very suprised.

[uvamosk]

Hey thanks all you guys for helping me out... I just have a new idea sorta... I havent bought all my stuff for my valve train yet... so i was wondering if its worth putting 1400$ into the valve train on a Ka24de... because I read about people getting 300RWHp on stock blocks and i have read one guy hitting 400RWhp... So im wondering if its worth putting 1400$ into a valve train that will never see anything over 7k ? and also I still will do the 3angle valve job, port and polish and then just install New Stock valves, and springs, and retainers.. So its not like ill be useing a beat up old head.. If i dont redo the valve train

[Krinkov]

Hey Ive got a .82 GT30R here I had on my STI for about 12K miles Im selling, lemme know if you want it for $500;)