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Quote »Since day one every 3k miles (3100 max) I change the oil with an OEM nissan filter and mobil 1 synth. [/quote]

You do actually realise that you do not NEED to change your oil this soon I hope?

For normal use mineral oil should be changed every 5000 miles (if you are pampering the engine) - synthetic lasts 2 to 3 times longer than mineral oil, so changing it every 10,000 miles would be more reasonable.

However, if you want to change your oil every 1,000 or 2,000 miles then it won't do the car any harm for sure ;)


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Oil SHOULD be changed every 3000 miles. Driving conditions are always noted as "severe" if you're ever in stop and go traffic, run the car for less than 15 minutes at a time, drive in cold or hot weather, etc.

Really the only way you could be considered in the "normal" range of driving is if you do highway driving ONLY and always drive for more than 15 minutes at a time.

Synethics can go for 5000 miles, but on normal oil, I wouldn't go much over 3k. Normal oil will break down and wear out...making it less efficient at doing it's job and more likely to stick to the insides of your engine. The idea is to have your oil still be clean when you change it. Not wait until it's nasty looking to finally put new stuff in.

And while we're discussing mileage, my '96 has 123k miles on it and runs beautifully. And what isn't so great is in the process of being replaced/upgraded.

All in the maintenence....all in the maintenence. :)

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gtd65 wrote:changing it every 10,000 miles would be more reasonable.


:rolleyes Wrong, wrong, wrong. More misinformation from the misinformed. :rolleyes

If you can't afford $35-$40 for an oil change (synthetic or otherwise) every 3-4K miles you shouldn't be driving. Just be sure to let everyone know that's the extent of your oil change intervals when you go to sell your car.

Do a search for "Mobil" in the Infiniti boards for some great reading on the science behind oils... Some VERY technical stuff in there from Q45tech, should cure your insomnia.:D

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AZhitman wrote::rolleyes If you can't afford $35-$40 for an oil change


I pay $13 for a standard oil change where I work and I don't have to deal with the old, dirty oil.

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AZhitman wrote::Do a search for "Mobil" in the Infiniti boards for some great reading on the science behind oils... Some VERY technical stuff in there from Q45tech, should cure your insomnia.:D


Oil stuff?What am I?Chopped liver?:(

Fred...(sniff)

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Sorry Fred - Educate the young lad on the mysteries of oil.

Can you ever forgive me???:D

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If you really believe oil needs to be changed at 3000 miles then you bought the Jiffy Lube marketing strategy "Hook, Line & Sinker"

I'll get some details for you to read. If your Mobil 1 oil cannot last 10,000 miles under road use then you are using the wrong oil period.

Nowhere else that I am aware of - other than the USA is 3000 miles specified as the oil change interval. I know people here want to believe otherwise, however, this is complete nonsense changing oil at 3000 miles - even for mineral oil!

Synethetics last 2 to 3 times the duration of mineral oils

I'll be back with some further reading for you :)

Keep changing your oil whenever you like - but it is just money down the drain ;)

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Example of propaganda marketing strategy

Castrol Propaganda

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Example of common sense approach - I can't find the damn thread I wanted to post here about oil etc :(

Quote »The 3,000 mile motor oil change- A relic of the past

For modern car engines and motor oils, a motor oil change every 3,000 miles is wasteful and is no longer recommended by automobile manufacturers.

For other than "severe" driving conditions the factory recommended oil and oil filter change interval is 7,500-15,000 miles for newer models. Consult your owners manual for the exact definition of what is "severe" and "normal" and for the recommended change interval based on your driving habits.

Synthetic (as opposed to conventional oil) may offer a greater protection "reserve" and superior high temperature and high engine load protection. Synthetic oil may also increase fuel efficiency, engine torque, and horsepower because of reduction in engine parts friction. Amsoil, a synthetic motor oil producer, has a 25,000 mile/1 year drain oil change interval recommendation. Mobil 1 implies that you can extend the drain interval to the maximum recommended by the car manufacturer, regardless of your driving habits. Synthetics are not recommended for a few engine types such as Mazda's rotary engines. [/quote]

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Some info even from an oil company for you to savour.

AMSOIL

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Let's see. My Neon has had oil changes with Mobil 1 every 7500 miles. It's at 215k now with perfect compression and uses maybe 1 quart every 3500 miles. Of course alot of that could be from the rear main seal leak.

Porsche has recommended 15k or annual oil changes for the last 20 years or so.

Unless you are racing in the dirt or somesuch, 3k is a little premature. Of course it certainly doesn' t hurt anything and if it makes you feel better that's all that matters.

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Now that I am on my soap-box

Quote »The 3000 mile oil change is, in our opinion, by far one of the biggest scams on the American public ever. Many of the same oil and auto companies that continue to recommend the "3000 mile oil change" in the U.S. currently manufacture and recommend, and have for many years, 12,000-18,000 mile synthetic oil changes in Europe! In fact Europe's goal is to reach 30,000 mile oil change intervals in the near future. That is a proven fact that they don't want you to know.

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So all I ask is - why do cars need a 3000 oil change here - yet back home in Europe they do 4 to 6 times longer using the same oil?

The facts gentlemen are there if you care to look - but only if you take the time to look and be INFORMED.

OK I'm off the soap-box now - those of you with shares in Jiffy Lube etc get back to me soonest :P

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sts76,Well you are taking a commonsense approach - and that is good to hear :)

You could still extend you oil change intervals further though - if you wanted to - but if you are happy then thats cool.

Actually the leak could be partly exaggerated by using synthetic oil - mineral oil has a tendency to gum up and leave deposits which can "seal" minor leaks.

The cleaner nature of the synthetics removes this "build-up" and will allow a leak to be discovered.

I actually change my oil between 3-5000 miles over here. I am now set on 5000 miles.

I asked a lot of questions when I came over here to the USA why everybody was changing their oil at 3000 miles - nobody gave any good reasons for it - other than "it was recommended" or you "had to".

Further reading on this exposed the truth - and a lot of these type of questions have been answered by real chemists that produce oils etc. Not some lube tech that says "3000 miles" at Jiffy/Walmart etc ;)

Their is nothing wrong with changing your oil earlier - it is simply a waste of money. It won't harm your engine - only your wallet ;)

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gtd65 wrote:Some info even from an oil company for you to savour.

AMSOIL


first off i'm not doubting anyone at this point as i would rather have this discussion develop further.

i do have a bit of doubt in this article for some reason. The test they did with the 4 different oils is inconclusive to me as they gave no details AT ALL about what the test was. Where they all in the same motor(s), same conditions...? Also it's all about turbo diesel motors something members at NICO probably don't have. Can you dig up a more pinpointed article with facts that's about non-diesel powered motors?

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The cleaner nature of the synthetics removes this "build-up"

Ding ding ding..... JOO ARE TEH WINNAR!!!!!11

I am well aware that synthetics are less prone to breakdown over longer periods of time vs conventional oils. BUT what you fail to see is that the same combustion process and the same contaminants as a result from that get into the oil after every single combustion stroke. Mabey even moreso with synthetics and their better cleansing abilities.

Ok so where does it all go? Into the filter, right? Well when a filter gets contaminated it cant flow as well. Less flow is not good in my eyes. Generally the oil bypass valve opens up with not very much pressure difference (something like 12 - 15 psi IIRC). Get to much hindered flow and the valve opens more often and for longer periods of time, dumping unfiltered oil back into the engine. Do you know how much psi we run at 3000rpm through the oil line in a KA. A 20% loss in flow (wouldnt be hard as there is a loss in flow to begin with on a fresh filter) could result in the valve opening and allowing dirty oil to bypass.

I dont really like that idea in the least. Besides that my car performs worse as I approach the 3k mile mark. And I have teken my car to the track at the 3k mile mark then gone back (rel. humidity temp and conditions the same) the next week after an oil change and got consistantly better times then the previous weeks best.

Ive never once drained my oil at 3k and had it come out looking and smelling like a freshly cracked open quart of 10w30 mobil 1 synthetic (hehe I like my oil mmmmm). Its always a nice very dark golden shade, and smells of HC. Last time I also checked HC dont really lubricate so well, no?

All these contaminants and HC also decrease the viscosity simullating, if you will, a thicker grade oil. What happens when you say go from a 10w30 to a 25w50?? You get HP decreases across the power band, and deminished fuel ecconomy.

OK quick math say I loose 2 mpg after 3k miles. It takes me 115 gals to go 3000 miles (ref the 3k over my 3k you stated with say even 6k). If I lost 2 mpg (yes my mpg does decrease and I know because like I said my car is the only thing I 100% pay attention to :) ) It would take 125 gals to go 3000 extra miles, or 10 gallons more with diminished fual eccon.. At 1.65 a gallon it would cost me 16.5 dollars in extra fuel. As it only costs just at 20$ for 3.5 quarts of oil and a Nissan baby blue filter, every 3k miles.

I lose a whopping 3.50$ by changing my oil every 3k vs 6k. Mabey more as I only once ran it to 4k, I would bet my fuel ecconomy would drop further thus increasing the fuel consumption cost, thus making my changing of oil every 3k vs 6k save me money. Plus dont forget all the much much much more added carbon deposits that can float around and get stuck in passageways and clog them up (rem the bypass).

Wile the oil "may" be able to lubricate to 10k miles it doesnt matter to me as for reasons stated. I like having my car run in top performance every time I crack open the throttle body. My car sits at 3 grand most of time I go anywhere. Whether its in 3rd around town or 4th on the highway at 80 mph its at 3k. I drive my car like it was meant to be driven, hard. I do this 95% of the time I am in it. No grandma acceleration, constant use of engine breaking for quick slowdowns, followed by WOT to rip me around corners, constant 80mph trips, and a fair amount of auto-x and drag time thrown into the mix.

If all that only costs 20$ (by it in bulk and DIY saves money kids :) ) every few weeks to cpl months then Im all game.

Do what you want its your engine. What do you reccomend for auto trannies 75k miles??? :rolleyes

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I'm not trying to change anyones oil habits here ;)

I'm just trying to make people aware that the "recommended" intervals for changing your oils are overly-cautious and unnecessary in the majority of cases. Why are the European "recommended" intervals far greater for the same engine? Are Europeans somehow better at making the oil last longer in their engines than Americans? Even from the very same oil companies? ;)

Sure if you cane your car around a race-track or do a lot of very gruelling driving in extreme temperatures - yes you need to change the oil and filter as well as any other filters and fluids more regularly. You will also need to change your tires and numerous other components more frequently too I wager.

There have been results (which I can't friggin well find right now!!!) of actual testing of used oils even after as much as 20,000 miles of hard use and they are every bit as good as they were brand new out of the bottle - it may not have looked exactly the same - but the actual protection/lubrication etc was the same. This is not some self-professed oil "experts" opinion this is a hard chemical analysis of the oil by professionals.

Changing my oil every 5000 miles (yes I was a sucker too doing it around 3000 miles when I first came here!) is still extravagant for normal usage - but as it is relatively cheap I give it the benefit of the doubt.

The examples I gave were simply examples - the best being the Castrol one which explictly states - that you MUST change your oil at 3000 miles, which is complete and utter bull$hit.

Again as I keep saying - change your oil whenever you feel like - but don't be fooled that you really "need" to change it at the "recommended" interval of 3000 miles.

I change my oil once a year in my GSX-R 750 (using synthetic) it had the nuts revved off it on a daily basis - and 4 years and probably 40,000 miles later it still runs like a champ and does not burn any oil.

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Oil Change Article

Quote »This is far from a complete analysis of the topic... such a thing would take forever and never be settled!

I just want to address a few common concerns and questions about oil in general and synthetic oil specifically.

Higher oil consumption of synthetic oil in older vehicles.This is a common warning often offered without much explanation. "Synthetic finds leaks" is a way it is often worded. The actual process or theory, as I understand it is this. An old engine that has been running conventional oil for all its life will typically be a bit clogged up with deposits from this oil. Where they have built up over seals, those seals will no longer be kept pliable and good by constant contact with fresh oil. As such, they may dry out a bit and no longer serve their function. However, the built up layer of crud will prevent the oil from leaking. Synthetic oil, since it tends to run cleaner and effectively remove the old deposits from your engine, will excavate those seals - and reveal the leaks. While this exposes some truth to the theory, what it really means is that your engine could use a few new seals - and that the cleaning process afforded by the first fill or two with synthetic is highly beneficial, since there will be similar sclerotic build ups in places where the oil should run freely, like the passages through which it flows.

Extended drain intervalsThis is one of the ironies of synthetic usage. Since it does not tend to shear under pressure or break down under heat as fast as conventional oil, it retains its lubricating qualitites for far longer. Drain intervals of up to 24,000 miles are often recommended, with a filter change in between full oil changes (the filter still gets dirty). Of course, the kind of car nuts that usually use synthetic are also the same breed of maniacs who change their oil at much shorter intervals than "required" in order to best preserve and protect their engines! Which still makes sense if you know your car has a rev limiter from experience and test its functioning regularly...

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I thought that last part was amusing ;)

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See you said you not trying to step on anyones toes yet called me a sucker :(

yes I was a sucker too doing it around 3000 miles when I first came here!

Oh well.

Anyway see where they state the filter gets dirty too... Well it does and your car will still run with a 90% clogged filter, due to the bypass valve installed in our engines. Do I want 90% of my oil to be routed past the filter because I am too cheep to change my oil frequently? UMMM NO

Like I said yes they can lubricate exceptionally, and for long periods of time but the filter cannot filter effectively for long periods of time. There is only so much surface area on a filter, and once that gets covered the psi drop off increases, thus allowing the bypass vavle to open more frequently, thus allowing nice carbon and other contaminant rich oil to get recirculated back into the engine again.

Since synths clean so well they pull alot more deposits from the combustion chamber and other areas back into the oil then dino oil. No matter what oil one uses it still clean contaminants, thus taken them in, and gets filtered by the filter. Synthetics just take more junk in for the filter to filter.

If I listened to that and changed my oil every 25k with a filter what every 50k my car would surely be dead. What happens if you get a few grains of sand in the engine and the bypass is stuck open because the filter is too clogged to flow properly????

They will just keep recirculating over and over and over again. We all know sand pollishes out them main journals generating optimum performance.... :)

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AZhitman wrote:Sorry Fred - Educate the young lad on the mysteries of oil.

Can you ever forgive me???:D


OK OK I'll enter the fray Here, you talked me into it.:pface

First of all, gtd I respect your willingness to do your own research and to stand up to so many of us.:bowdown

Lots of the original extended drain arguments are tempting.Here are some facts based on oil analyses results posted on maxima.org (mostly on VQ series engines, not that that matters a whole lot) as well as some of my own investigation (I am a chemist in the Army), as well as observed behaviour of oils in actual engines.

Let me summarize here:

The arguments for extended drain intervals focus on the ability of a base oil to stand up to many miles.Modern lubestock is pretty good, even a mix of a group I and group II base stock can stand up to a lot of operating hours and still retain its lubricating properties.As for synthetic oils group IV and groupV base stock can indeed stand up in tests to hours of operation that are the equivalent of many thousands of miles of (easy hiway) driving.

but the lubestocks arent everything, while they are the limiting factor for lubrication under hard driving moments or cold starts, the additive chemistry is the limiting factor for extended drain intervals (at least nowadays).

There are several additives that get progressively depleted as milage adds up.They are TBN improvers, anti-foaming agents,, rust inhibitors, antiwear agents (!), detergents just to name a few.

I will use the first and the last one for my explanation here. first lets talk about TBN. or total base number , w/o going into too much technical detail here (since I am a lazy typer, but if u email me I will send u my home number and explain more over the phone as soon as "buffy":fruit is over).TBN Measures the ability to keep an oil from becoming acidic and while the concept of ph has little meaning in the non-aqeous environment that is a motor oil, as a simplifier lets just say that "stuff" helps neutralize the acid created during teh combusion process' burning of the trace sulfur that is in all gasolines in varying amounts (CITGO gas is among the worst in this respect due to its use of venezuelan hi sulfur crude).

REAL WORLD measuments (oil analysis after various intervals!!) have shown that TBN can be depleted even in some oils that claim to be synthetic in as little as 6000 miles.Acid eats bearings in combustion engines!!! Some non syns having done much worse, with at least one looking iffy at 3000 miles.

Lets talk a little about detergents, a normal detergent package on a oil that is lubricating a brand new engine, will indeed last 1000's of miles, as there is very little blowby and the combustion chambers are very clean.But the majority of drivers, dont drive brand new engines ,which means our engines run much dirtier.I have personally seen a hi quality synthetic oil having depleted much of its detergent additives significantly, during only 3000 miles!!This was in a 90k engine (that was admittedly driven very aggressively, triple digits several times a week, as well as the occasional street racing )

Oil is cheap.. engines are expensive.

Fred...:)

PS: I am toying with the idea of splitting this thread so dont be surprised folks.

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Good post on the other less talked about parts fred...

And yeah this post has gone a little off track.

edit: damn you I posted to find the split :( Then deleted that and reposted here.

hehe toying with the ideas my *** :)

edit again just saw your post to my post in the other section. You must have been typing while I was checking the delete box :)

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my eyes hurt now...i'm gonna continue to change MY oil at 3k miles, just because it is recomended everywhere (fred convinces me even more). my dad has changed the oil in his vehicles every 3k miles for as long as he has been driving (about 35 years?) and his vehicles have lasted him a significantly long time. thats proof enough for me.

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Every 3 months -- regardless of mileage -- is a better interval than every 3K miles.

In my '92 Q, 178K miles, oil is clear in 1st month, a little murky in 2nd month, and getting darker by 3rd month.

I think NEW engines can survive on longer change intervals, but I'm not taking any chances with my OLD engine.

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Hmmm but what if you dumped 3k miles in a month like I used too? Then we are at 9k miles in 3 months :D

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so how about regular vs. synthetic? :)

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i have to go by months as well since i put hardly any mileage at all on her.

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HaveBlue wrote:so how about regular vs. synthetic? :)

HB


Ok you had to go there,:pface

-First let me state for the record, that the new API SL standard non syn oils are pretty good.Also additives play an important role on addition to base oil stock.And that one can keep an engine running well, with API SL grade oils, or with oil formulated to a similiar standard (even if they are not API certfied, as long as that is for the right reasons).

Even so, synthetic oils still have quite a bit of advantages over non syn:

-More uniform base stock, makes for more even flow and better heat carrying capacity, as you dont have as much differential in the flow between middle of flow molekules and edge of flow molekules.

-They also do tend to adhere to metal surfaces better, giving a much welcome extra layer of cold start protection.

-MUCH more stable base oils, remember the enemy of your engine is not just lack of lubrication but sludge/varnish, a decomposing oil will result in sludge,Which is VERY bad.Remember folks just cuz your coolant runs at 200F doesnt mean your oil does.The oil temp is typically 20-30F more than the coolant temp ON AVERAGE, that means there wil be pockets of higher temps and this may be much higher.These hi temp locations, are the source of sludge formation in internal combustion engines.With synthetic base stocks you get a MUCH higher tolerance against those heat pockets resulting in mcuh less sludge produced.This is especially important for those of us that like to drive hard (most members I suspect)

-synthetic lube stocks also have some "built-in" multiviscosity character, so in order to build a modern multiviscosity rating with them, you don't have to use as many VI's, as u do to give a non syn multiviscosity propertiesThis makes the oil more stable, in it's abiltiy to hold its viscosity, both for long term and for resisting the hi shear forces found in hard running.ALSO , VI's are one of the primary sources of varnish in modern engines, as they tend to get hydrocracked in heat pockets in the engine, therefore less VI's is VERY good.

-Also many synthetic base stocks have a lesser tendency to foam, (air is a poor lubricant!), needing less anti foaming additives, making more room in this formulation for other additives such detergents or simply more lube stock.

-Synthetics have also MUCH better cold flow characteristics, how important that is for the DOHC engines in teh typical Nissan/Infinti, I dont need to explain.

etc etc,

Fred...:thinker

PS : Sorry 'bout typos I didnt feel like editing this time write-up

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Fred, it makes sence. you're like a genious or sumthin on this oil stuff. thanks for writin all this, i find it interesting

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OH GOD!! My head...it hurts.

Since I'm not a chemist, and I'm not from Europe, and I do my own oil changes I look at it like this...

An oil change with synthetic costs me 28-30 bucks. An oil change place will charge me 20 (without synthetic). Price difference, unimportant for the slightly added benefits of synthetic (to me).

The reason I change my oil at or around 3k...When I put my oil in its a beautiful golden hue. When it comes out its black. I'd rather have all the black crap sitting in my oil pan rather than circulating in my engine for another 3k.

Is it bad to pour your oil down the storm drain in your street? Ok, I'm just kidding, but my friend and I have poured engine fluids into a pesky neighbors garden. haha. Ok, thats all my oil experience.

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In your oil pan..... I hope you mean drain pan hehe

Yeah dumping oil any old place is good for the environment. Look at it this way it came from the ground and when you dump it back on the ground it will go back. You help by replenishing the depleting oil resources... I also like to add a little coolant with glycol to my aminals drinking water to make taste better..

OK OK im joking dont need the epa and animal activists beating down my door... :)

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Good morning gentlemen! :)

Quote »See you said you not trying to step on anyones toes yet called me a sucker [/quote]

Nah - that was a generalisation of people that believed that oil changes were necessary/required/mandatory at 3000 miles - the only person actually deemed to be specifically a sucker was me ;)

Of course now that I am a "know-it-all" oil God I am redeemed :icesangel

I need to get back to searching for the thread that I read recently regarding oil - and more importantly the OIL FILTER.

Many people are very scrupulous about changing the oil - however some "premium" brand fliters are better/worse than others.

According to many sources it seems that changing the filter on every second oil change is perfectly acceptable, I for one don't do this as the cost of the filter is not really that significant.

When I lived in the UK (I'm Scottish btw) I basically changed my oil every 6 months regardless of the mileage. None of the cars I had were ever any worse off that I could tell - no signs of engine wear, blue smoke etc.

I bought my Toyota GT Coupe 16V RWD (AE86) with 109K miles on it and it ran like a dream - you could not hear the engine running at idle it was so quiet :) It was often taken to full speed of an evening (133mph) and the revvy nature of the engine required a good thrashing on a daily basis ;) However, I am digressing....

On another side note - one thing I have noticed with used vehicles here in the USA is that they are often not in as good condition as the UK for some reason. I'm off home in a couple of weeks for xmas - it will be most depressing to see very low priced Japanese cars again ;)

Last year I saw a 1998 200SX Turbo Touring with 49,000 miles for GBP4999 = US$7000 approx. People pay that just for the frigging engine swap here!!!

If anybody is in need of anything specific - let me know and I'll keep my eyes open.


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