oil sandwich adapter?
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DaydreamDrifter
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oil sandwich adapter?
I have searched it but can't find where i read it. About a Ford sandwich working. Can some tell me if they know anything about this.
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DaydreamDrifter
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Re: (DaydreamDrifter)
Yeah, small block Ford adapters work perfectly.
My oil system setup is fairly sophisticated. I started at http://www.cantonracingproduct....html with a billet 90' remote filter adapter and went to their remote filter mount, which has an extra outlet on it that I used with a 1/2 to 1/4 pipe bushing reducer to feed into a -4 AN line and fittings that feeds the turbo. The other outlet of the remote filter mount goes through -8 AN hardware and hose to a 8" x 11" B & M transmission cooler with a 7" Derale fan (both from Summit) behind it to cool the oil before it goes back to the filter adapter and back into the motor. It's not a cheap setup, but it gives me piece of mind knowing that my oil is staying nice and cool.
My oil system setup is fairly sophisticated. I started at http://www.cantonracingproduct....html with a billet 90' remote filter adapter and went to their remote filter mount, which has an extra outlet on it that I used with a 1/2 to 1/4 pipe bushing reducer to feed into a -4 AN line and fittings that feeds the turbo. The other outlet of the remote filter mount goes through -8 AN hardware and hose to a 8" x 11" B & M transmission cooler with a 7" Derale fan (both from Summit) behind it to cool the oil before it goes back to the filter adapter and back into the motor. It's not a cheap setup, but it gives me piece of mind knowing that my oil is staying nice and cool.
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Re: (sxseguy)
I'd like to hear more about this... I've been trying to figure out the oil plumbing for a little while now... where does the oil return to the motor ? into the oil pan ?sxseguy wrote:Yeah, small block Ford adapters work perfectly.
My oil system setup is fairly sophisticated. I started at http://www.cantonracingproduct....html with a billet 90' remote filter adapter and went to their remote filter mount, which has an extra outlet on it that I used with a 1/2 to 1/4 pipe bushing reducer to feed into a -4 AN line and fittings that feeds the turbo. The other outlet of the remote filter mount goes through -8 AN hardware and hose to a 8" x 11" B & M transmission cooler with a 7" Derale fan (both from Summit) behind it to cool the oil before it goes back to the filter adapter and back into the motor. It's not a cheap setup, but it gives me piece of mind knowing that my oil is staying nice and cool.
If you have part numbers or more specific details about the hardware involved, I sure would appreciate it as I did not understand a lot of what you said (like the -4an and -8an, etc).
Thanks
Re: (Kinesthesia)
When I've got some time this weekend, I'll post a complete parts list and some pictures.
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Re: (sxseguy)
Thanks !sxseguy wrote:When I've got some time this weekend, I'll post a complete parts list and some pictures.
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Re: (sxseguy)
pics would be awesome.
Both holes on the sandwich are outlets, right? So i was thinking on going to the turbo and themn to an oil cooler and the y-ing up into the other line that is doing the oil pressure gauge, to be tapped into the oil pan. Whatcha think?
Both holes on the sandwich are outlets, right? So i was thinking on going to the turbo and themn to an oil cooler and the y-ing up into the other line that is doing the oil pressure gauge, to be tapped into the oil pan. Whatcha think?
Re: (DaydreamDrifter)
These are pre-installation pics. Haven't gotten around to taking current pictures.
This is essentially a complete parts list with pictures of my setup.
The 45' fitting feeds the 90' "IN" fitting on the remote mount in the next picture. The 120' fitting is the return from the oil cooler. I chose to run the lines along the frame rail to keep them out of the way.
This piece is mounted on the passenger frame rail just ahead of the firewall and just below the fuel lines. It fits perfectly with a 1/4" aluminum spacer behind it. I clears everything and doesn't stick down below any other hard parts, protecting it from damage. I used threadserts (a kind of rivet nut) and bolts to secure it to the frame rail. The top 90' fitting is also an "OUT" and places the hose level with the frame rail where it runs up front to the upper 45' fitting on the oil cooler.
Just another pic.
You could certainly get by with a smaller cooler, but why would you want to?
I decided to feed in through the top and out through the bottom fitting, just for a little gravity assist, not that it matters at all. The cooler actually sits about 2 inches taller than in this picture after I fabbed up some brackets from 1/8" x 1" flat aluminum bar stock. I used rubber grommets in the 3/4" holes to protect the stainless lines from abrasion. I considered horizontal mounting, but ruled it out because this was the simpler, more elegant solution from a plumbing standpoint. I originally purchase a 7" Derale fan to mount to the oil cooler, but found that it would not fit behind it due to the AC condenser, nor in front of it due to the radiator core supports and intercooler. Oh, well. That monster oil cooler should do okay by itself.
Missing from the pics is 10 feet of Aeroquip -8AN hose, 4 feet of Aeroquip -4AN hose, a 90' -4AN hose end, and a -4AN to 1/4 NPT adapter. The -4AN parts complete the oil feed to the turbo.
For the turbo drain, I used a 1/2" NPT to -8AN adapter, -8AN straight hose end, -8AN hose, another -8AN straight hose end, and a -8AN to -8AN flare union passing through the oil pan with a bulkhead nut securing it on the inside.
I used blue Loctite on all of the threads, and high temp silicone sealant on the mating surfaces between the flare union and oil pan. All of the fitting are Russell Endura fittings. They're the only complete line of fittings available with a clear anodized finish, rather than blue or red.
Modified by sxseguy at 3:43 AM 9/21/2004
This is essentially a complete parts list with pictures of my setup.
The 45' fitting feeds the 90' "IN" fitting on the remote mount in the next picture. The 120' fitting is the return from the oil cooler. I chose to run the lines along the frame rail to keep them out of the way.
This piece is mounted on the passenger frame rail just ahead of the firewall and just below the fuel lines. It fits perfectly with a 1/4" aluminum spacer behind it. I clears everything and doesn't stick down below any other hard parts, protecting it from damage. I used threadserts (a kind of rivet nut) and bolts to secure it to the frame rail. The top 90' fitting is also an "OUT" and places the hose level with the frame rail where it runs up front to the upper 45' fitting on the oil cooler.
Just another pic.
You could certainly get by with a smaller cooler, but why would you want to?
I decided to feed in through the top and out through the bottom fitting, just for a little gravity assist, not that it matters at all. The cooler actually sits about 2 inches taller than in this picture after I fabbed up some brackets from 1/8" x 1" flat aluminum bar stock. I used rubber grommets in the 3/4" holes to protect the stainless lines from abrasion. I considered horizontal mounting, but ruled it out because this was the simpler, more elegant solution from a plumbing standpoint. I originally purchase a 7" Derale fan to mount to the oil cooler, but found that it would not fit behind it due to the AC condenser, nor in front of it due to the radiator core supports and intercooler. Oh, well. That monster oil cooler should do okay by itself.
Missing from the pics is 10 feet of Aeroquip -8AN hose, 4 feet of Aeroquip -4AN hose, a 90' -4AN hose end, and a -4AN to 1/4 NPT adapter. The -4AN parts complete the oil feed to the turbo.
For the turbo drain, I used a 1/2" NPT to -8AN adapter, -8AN straight hose end, -8AN hose, another -8AN straight hose end, and a -8AN to -8AN flare union passing through the oil pan with a bulkhead nut securing it on the inside.
I used blue Loctite on all of the threads, and high temp silicone sealant on the mating surfaces between the flare union and oil pan. All of the fitting are Russell Endura fittings. They're the only complete line of fittings available with a clear anodized finish, rather than blue or red.
Modified by sxseguy at 3:43 AM 9/21/2004
Re: (fastpace)
My previous post has been edited and updated.
Just so that everyone knows, I did not use an oil sandwich adapter in my setup. I chose to relocate my filter, that's why I used the parts I did.
Anybody who has ever changed the oil on a KA knows that the stock filter location sucks. My new location is perfect. Very easy to access, and drains straight into a pan without drooling all over the crossmember.
That said, if you're looking for a sandwich adapter, here's a good, cheap one from a trusted retailer: http://store.summitracing.com/...01914
To end confusion, sandwich adapters do not have two outputs. One is out, the other is in. Oil does not return directly to the pan, but rather, completes its circuit back at the "in" port of the sandwich.
So, yes, you can use a sandwich to feed to and from an oil cooler.
Also, NPT is National Pipe Thread, the pipe threading standard in the US. AN is Army/Navy and each unit is 1/16th of an inch, so -4AN is 1/4", and -8AN is 1/2".
Modified by sxseguy at 3:47 AM 9/21/2004
Just so that everyone knows, I did not use an oil sandwich adapter in my setup. I chose to relocate my filter, that's why I used the parts I did.
Anybody who has ever changed the oil on a KA knows that the stock filter location sucks. My new location is perfect. Very easy to access, and drains straight into a pan without drooling all over the crossmember.
That said, if you're looking for a sandwich adapter, here's a good, cheap one from a trusted retailer: http://store.summitracing.com/...01914
To end confusion, sandwich adapters do not have two outputs. One is out, the other is in. Oil does not return directly to the pan, but rather, completes its circuit back at the "in" port of the sandwich.
So, yes, you can use a sandwich to feed to and from an oil cooler.
Also, NPT is National Pipe Thread, the pipe threading standard in the US. AN is Army/Navy and each unit is 1/16th of an inch, so -4AN is 1/4", and -8AN is 1/2".
Modified by sxseguy at 3:47 AM 9/21/2004
Re: (rush0)
Yes, you would still have to tap the pan for an oil drain from the turbo. The oil drain from the turbo is primarily a gravity drain. It's no longer part of the pressurized oil system after it exits the turbo.
If you think about it, it goes from a small feed line to a big drain line, so there's a big pressure drop, and the small feed can't supply the volume to keep the big drain pressurized, so it drains back to the pan by gravity.
Modified by sxseguy at 5:16 AM 9/22/2004
If you think about it, it goes from a small feed line to a big drain line, so there's a big pressure drop, and the small feed can't supply the volume to keep the big drain pressurized, so it drains back to the pan by gravity.
Modified by sxseguy at 5:16 AM 9/22/2004
Re: (rush0)
If you're worried about having to tap the pan for an oil drain, TOUGH! It's either that or tap the block for the oil drain.
And, yes, you do have it all wrong. If it leaves the sandwich, it must return to the sandwich. PERIOD. Otherwise you would have oil entering the filter but not coming back out to supply the engine. Engine + no oil = no engine.
If you're not going to plumb something else, like a remote filter mount or oil cooler off of it, there's absolutely no reason to use a sandwich. What you need is right here: http://www.cheapturbolines.com
If that doesn't work, then try here: http://www.nicoclub.com/zerosearch
Sorry, but my patience does have limits. Good luck.
And, yes, you do have it all wrong. If it leaves the sandwich, it must return to the sandwich. PERIOD. Otherwise you would have oil entering the filter but not coming back out to supply the engine. Engine + no oil = no engine.
If you're not going to plumb something else, like a remote filter mount or oil cooler off of it, there's absolutely no reason to use a sandwich. What you need is right here: http://www.cheapturbolines.com
If that doesn't work, then try here: http://www.nicoclub.com/zerosearch
Sorry, but my patience does have limits. Good luck.
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DaydreamDrifter
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Re: (sxseguy)
damn, you've cleard up a lot for me! too much knowledgefor one night. i need to burn another now. ha ha. ughh. Thanks, your the man.