Oil filter fit? based on german auto parts store availability

[PalmerWMD]

The filter I needed was not available at the PX, (a few months ago was able to get a Fram Ultra for the car), got a Bosch 2041 filter at a german auto store, which fits the VK56VD up until model years 2018 or 2019 in a Nissan NV van..

They dont have Armadas there or even Patrols. (anymore)
Of course mine is a Armada 2023, but their fit chart did not go past 2018 or 2019 since vehicles with this engine have not been sold in GE since...

It says "premium" on the box, but i believe thats just marketing.
It was a semi syn filter material.

The specs I find are real good though; for filtration: 99 % at 20 microns, if Memory serves, according to a recent spread sheet i found on here.

Still not sure, if it is really a "Premium" filter, seems more like a decent mid range to me, since Bosch has a filter thats a step up from "premium".
But this is the only filter that fits the motor that I could get at the german parts store ( and they had to order it and it came in that afternoon), and I told them to pick the "best" one regardless of price. But there was only an Army of one.'

One thing that makes me a bit nervous it was listed on their data base as "fits up to 2018 (or 19)".

Sure its been the same engine since then, but for the life of me I have not been able to find any reference that says 2023 Armada for a Bosch P2041 as this was never sold here.
Which asks for Nissan filter part number 15208-9E01A.

However this part number 15208-9E01A is listed as "replaces" among others, Nissan part number Oil filter 15208-9E000.
And 15208-9E000 is what the Bosch P2041 is listed as crossreference fit, on another site.
Also Bosch P2041 fits the VQ40de which uses the same filter as the VK56...

I have a Fram Ultra XG7317 that I bought a few months back for this engine, somewhere in the house in a moving box, which I trust more from fit and specs, but I cant find it.

I invite comments on either my Oil or filter choices, since I am not feeling so warm and fuzzy on the choices I made, pushed by local availabilities.
And with freezing weather around the corner, I do not wish to delay the oil change much longer.

[PalmerWMD]

Let me rephrase for clarity:

I am overseas where I do not have access to my go-to filters such as Fram Ultra, XG7317 and Mobil1 M1-110.
I need to do an oil change quick as the freeze is coming.
I have relied on the PX in the past for a XG7317 but thats out of stock.

One local store gave me a Bosch "Premium" 2041 filter.
They dont sell Armadas in this country (GE) but they sold a Nissan Van wih this exact VK56VD engine up until 2019 and for that Bosch Performance P2041 is listed.
Which I bought.
It cross references with an older part nissan number for my engine VK56VD, Nissan part 15208-9E000, but not the current Nissanpart number ( 2023 armada nissan oil filter part Nr 15208-9E01A ).
On the other hand it seems to review quite well.

Another parts store that specializes in supporting US cars, say they have the correct filter for me.
And its a Parts Plus PH2876 and it does cross reference with Fram XG7317, Mobil 1 1-110 and most importantly Nissan 15208-9E01A.

So I am glad that I found a filter that seems to 100% cross reference with the current part number for my vehicle, but I am dubious about the quality of it of what seems to me a more generic brand which I have not found any recent reviews for this filter number.

Should I still buy it and discard my Bosch Premium 2041?

[VStar650CL]

I won't be at the shop to check part numbers till tomorrow, but I'll check for you then. Frankly, as good as you are about maintenance, it won't hurt to go one cycle spilling the oil without changing the filter. That might be safer than using a filter of doubtful provenance.

[PalmerWMD]

I won't be at the shop to check part numbers till tomorrow, but I'll check for you then. Frankly, as good as you are about maintenance, it won't hurt to go one cycle spilling the oil without changing the filter. That might be safer than using a filter of doubtful provenance.

Thanks.
I cna delay for a couple of days I am sure.
The last filter that went in was a Mann filter which is suppsoed to be high end her ein germany.
When I was at the auto shop this time it was different guys though and the fit they foudn was not the Mann filter but this Bosch.

The other shop that speecializes in US vehicle parts (where today I bought that PH2876) could not find the Bosch P2041 in its system at all.

Maybe they spec a bit different because the Bosch P2041 was or a VK56VD in a commercial vehicle? As such it should be tougher maybe...

I Researched that PH2867 filter some more. Rock auto lists it as an economy filter (normal or highway driving up to 5000 miles is what RA economy filter specs mean.. not confidence inspiring. Its also made in China. But it has been cut apart at bobistheoilguy and seemed good.

My main use case for this vehicle is stop-and-go traffic, mixed with trips of extended speeds of 90 mph.

[VStar650CL]

I'll check tomorrow if it's the same filter for all of them from '16 up, I'm pretty sure it is. If so, you can use anything in their catalogs which fits the earlier years.

[PalmerWMD]

I'll check tomorrow if it's the same filter for all of them from '16 up, I'm pretty sure it is. If so, you can use anything in their catalogs which fits the earlier years.

The Bosch P2041 looks like its physically a bit longer too.
And slight bigger diamter.
The rubber seal of the Bosch starts at the same diameter as does the PH2876 but extends a bit further due to being wider.
The PH2876 has some imperfections roundness of the rubber seal from crimping , the Bosch does not.
Except for the packaging the Bosch appears a bit higher quality.
But I do remember how filters for Nissan V8s always seemed a bit small to me so the size of the PH2876 looks "normal" to me for a Nissan V8 filter.

[PalmerWMD]

PS: Another thing I noticed which gives me the creeps is, it says on the box of the PH2876 "Up to 5000 miles of protection".
A far cry from the Ultra Syn Fram or Mobil 1 filters that I otherwise use, which all state "20,000 miles".

Even though I never use such long intervals I go to 5000 or 6000 max, and there is probably some hype in those claims, but it seems to speak to a much greater confidence of the manufacturer in their product, than "UP TO 5000 miles".

[VStar650CL]

Actually, most aftermarket manufacturers severely understate performance specifications to keep their products out of the liability lane. No aftermarket mfgr wants to be blamed by the OEM for an engine failure, even indirectly. In any case, claiming artificially extended intervals for a standard maintenance item (as opposed to a performance item with a corresponding price premium) might mean selling less of the product for no good reason. The bottom line is, if they claim 5K, chances are it's really good for 7~10K and not 3K.

[PalmerWMD]

Update:
Found another store on another base that had a large selection of Mann filters.
Heard they are supposedly very good.
Bought a Mann W610/3.
Just like the Bosch P2041 its longer than the partsplus PH2876
Aklso the same store on this base specilizing in US spec cars said the Bosch P 2041 will fit properly as well, but recommends the Mann as a more quality filter..
Its made in Germany BTW.

Now I check specs at home including internet prices and it seems to me to be yet another economy filter.
Dont they have true premium filters in germany that cost double of the "standard" filters ?

And Amazon Germany, says the Mann W 610/3 does NOT fit my car (I put in Patrol with the 5.6L V8 as a Euro equivalency because Armadas do not exist here) but the Bosch P2041 does (which among these has the best published filtration numbers)
Grrrrr!!!

In any event, now I am the proud owner of 3 filters reputed by some databases to fit my car, but what I suspect are the "better" 2 among the 3, are reputed by other databases to not fit my car

[VStar650CL]

That's some weird s#it.

Update, the Parts Department tells me there's no change in the Armada filters basically from '03 to present. They all use the longer "truck filter" that's been on the VK56 from the beginning.

[PalmerWMD]

That's some weird s#it.

Update, the Parts Department tells me there's no change in the Armada filters basically from '03 to present. They all use the longer "truck filter" that's been on the VK56 from the beginning.

Which part number?
Nissan 15208-9E000 ( listed as compatible with Bosch P2041 in some databases but not others, which dont list the Bosch filter at all, also compatible with parts plus PH 2867, which is a shorter filter compared to the 2 others) or
Nissan 15208-9E01A (listed as compatible with PH2867 )?

EDIT: and Bosch P2041 and Mann W 610/ 3 are listed as equivalent to each other on some other websites.

Also: So, then there should be no difference in filters in a VK56 from a NV Nissan van and in an Titan/Armada? Whether DE or VD?
because they DID have the Nissan van with the VK56VD here and it is listed for Bosch P2041 until build year 2018 (which they were discontinued here)
They use build years here not model years, which is close but not exactly the same thing of course.

here it shows Mann W610/3 fitting Y62 with VK56VD
https://www.autodoc.de/autoteile/olfilt ... /34895-5-6

On that same site, also mention Bosch P2041 as a fit, but only for "build year until 09/18"
But that could also be the year the last vehicle with this engine was sold in GE

[VStar650CL]

9E01A is the current iteration, but keep in mind that there have been dozens of supersessions since '03. They're all the same filter with different numbers. That's where most of the confusion comes from.

[PalmerWMD]

9E01A is the current iteration, but keep in mind that there have been dozens of supersessions since '03. They're all the same filter with different numbers. That's where most of the confusion comes from.

I spectulated that to myself, but could not be sure.
Its good to hear that from the horses mouth.

[PalmerWMD]

Update:
So back then I went with the Bosch P2041.
Since then found more Fram Ultra XG7317 which I now have a supply of and this is my 2nd oil change since the previous discission.
Its winter coming again so I wanted a 0w-XX oil but nto a 0w-20.
So there were 0w-30s and 0w-40s available.
But only one oil that meet ACEA A3 with an HTHS of above 3.5
Probably overkill for my NA V8, but I do go well over 100mph for extended amounts of time relatively often, so there is that.

Picked Royal Purple (yes, I know I don't like their marketing either) in 0w-40.
This is my 2nd oil change with this oil now.

Just to update folks. :