Oil Discussion (Please don't run yet)

[jandpharper]

Just got a new 09G37X S. Quickly learned about the recommendedEster oil from Nissan...which by the way is not an ester oil, but aconventional with some ester added. I've also noticed in my shorttime here that many are enthusiastically using Royal Purple.

1st comment/question... I have not been able to find one UAOon a VVel using RP???? Where are they? Am I missing something?I would guess that folks aren't swearing by the stuff without somedata other than observation and "butt-dyno data" AND, for thatmatter I couldn't find one UAO on any 3.7, including the Z.

2nd Comment...I'm 90+% sure I will be running Renewable Lubricants5w30 with a Pure One oil filter at a 5K change interval ... all comments welcome please. ....Jon

[joe603]

Congrats on your new G37!

Yes, a lot of guys (including myself) use Royal Purple oil for their G. I've used the stuff for years on many vehicles and it's never caused any problems. A few outside shops have done dyno tests and RP does in fact increase HP.

http://www.royalpurple.com/rp-videos.html

When I drain, the oil still looks great with little to no foam. My 05 doesn't burn oil at all...which is an issue with the 05 REVUP engine. Is it because I use RP oil...not sure, maybe I'm just lucky.

Finally, I'm not sure what "UAO" means...

Acronym DefinitionUAO Universidad Autónoma de Occidente (Cali, Colombia university)UAO Unilateral Administrative OrderUAO Upper Airway ObstructionUAO Uppsala Astronomical Observatory (Uppsala, Sweden)UAO United Arts OrganizationUAO United As OneUAO Urumqi Astronomical ObservatoryUAO Under Authority OfUAO Unit Aviation OfficerUAO Unidentified Audible ObjectUAO Utility Agency OwnerUAO Upper Air ObservatoryUAO Unidentified Aquatic Object (US Navy)UAO Upper-Air ObservationUAO Urgent Attention Of

[zozoka1212]

Used Oil Analysis

I have not seen any here done. However you really don't have to look for specific engine when convetional vs RP you can find probably good info everywhere on the net.

If you really want to see some maybe ask the lab to release some datas. Blackstone or Dyson are the best I think in the business. Even that I've heard from my third neighbur at my old place with his Porsche the 2 had different # on the same used oil. LOL Not sure what to believe. I know for sure the Filter is as important if not more than the oil.

[jandpharper]

I agree with all said and don't want to start a RP defense debate.I have been in the motorcycle scene for decades and agree wholeheartedly that RP makes horsepower.....BUT have alsoevaluated way to many UAOs to use it in my machines.Sorry guys..too much wear for me

Any comments on the Pure One/Renewable Lubricants 5w30 combo?

I'll try to get some UAOs from Dyson on the Renewable Lubricantsoil and pass it on. ..........Jon

[joe603]

Used Oil Analysis

wouldn't that be "UOA"?

[Poyzinous]

If you have deep pockets or theft/raccoon robbery experience, go with the ester oil. The VQ motor likes at least a synthetic blend. Not jiffy loob oils.

[jandpharper]

UOA...You are correct. My Bad
Modified by jandpharper at 11:29 AM 9/1/2009

[Sentientbydesign]

I'd look into an ester based synthetic. Some of Motul and Amsoil's line are ester based and should have similar "adhesion" characteristics as the Nissan Ester Oil.

[jandpharper]

If you have deep pockets or theft/raccoon robbery experience, go with the ester oil. The VQ motor likes at least a synthetic blend. Not jiffy loob oils.

Sorry, don't understand the "theft/racoon robbery experience" comment.Don't take it personally, but I've spent enough on engines inmy life to not start using anything without some UOA proof...anything else is just "assuming" or looking for cheap horsepowerat the expense of unnecessary top-end wear.

Just talked with two different Infiniti service managers who told methe same thing.....absolutely run the ester blend in the coupes, butnot necessary in the sedan. Nissan synthetic is relabeled Mobil 1.and it works great in the 3.7.

Also, Costs $100/year to access Dyson lab UOAs. I will checkwith Renewable Lubricants to see if they will provide them.

I'm still amazed at the lack of UAOs and that the Nissan enthusiastshave not developed a following for the Pure One oil filters.

[jandpharper]

I'd look into an ester based synthetic. Some of Motul and Amsoil's line are ester based and should have similar "adhesion" characteristics as the Nissan Ester Oil.

Renewable Lubricants is Ester based (soy), made in Ohio, and from thenumbers I've seen on Audi's and BMWs, It has consistently shown less than half the wear and twice the change interval of Redline or Motul. Amsoil is not ester based, but the euro spec does have a higher ester content......Jon

[Tampa G35 Sedan 6MT]

Ok so what is the "best Oil to Buy"?

This is the one questions that I want to know!

DJ

[Poyzinous]

15 different people can give you 15 different answers to that question. As a tech I can tell you the following:Your oil must meet the following Criteria:1- Should be 5W-302- Should be at least semi-synthetic3- You should use Fresh oil4- Tacos. Tacos rule.

[Sentientbydesign]

Ok so what is the "best Oil to Buy"?

This is the one questions that I want to know!

DJ

This is kind of like asking "What should I buy to mod my G?"

Depends on what your goal is. Maximum engine protection. Maximum power. Maximum fuel economy. Maximum cash in your wallet while still keeping the engine "healthy".

[pfarmer]

This is kind of like asking "What should I buy to mod my G?"

Depends on what your goal is. Maximum engine protection. Maximum power. Maximum fuel economy. Maximum cash in your wallet while still keeping the engine "healthy".

I think it comes down to maximum cash in your wallet over the lifetime of ownership. The cheapest way to go would be not to change your oil and sell the car at 25k or even longer, that is the cheapest way to go for oil changes.

On gas turbines besides doing oil tests you also had chip detectors to let you know when things dealing with lubrication have gone on too long.Some of the very high end cars do online test to help the owner know when to change oil probably using some scheme very similar in nature.

From the standpoint of oil filters in reality the best way is probably a partial bypass filter. It is also the one that can get some in trouble if they do not provide some method of protection against an abnormal minor event turning into a catastrophic one.

Perry

[kmckis1029]

so far i love RP...

the only data i have is that at every oil change for the last year, i usually go 4k-5k miles, my oil still looks nice, and makes me want to push my change interval longer.

[Sentientbydesign]

so far i love RP...

the only data i have is that at every oil change for the last year, i usually go 4k-5k miles, my oil still looks nice, and makes me want to push my change interval longer.

I believe Royal Purple was one of the few synthetics that did not perform well on extended change intervals. Something about the molybednum falling out of suspension and causing problems.

[jandpharper]

Thanks for the reply, and I respect that you like RP. That being said,I wouldn't go by how it looks and feels to you. Think about this...If it's doing a good job of cleaning your engine, it is going tochange color and appearance!!! RP makes HP, butjust can't lube the top end like other oils. If you look at their siteclosely, they only show and discuss what it does for crank bearingsand never cam lobes or tappets. If you study some UOAs on RPit is "allowing" alot of unnecessary wear in other parts of the engine.If you want that extra 2-3 horsepower it gives you....by all meansuse it. I would start doing oil analysis at around 2500 milesIf I was using it. After several UOAs, you'll know exactly howmany miles you can run it safely and you'll be suprised justhow few miles that is. .....Thanks anyway....no RP for me.

[Poyzinous]

RP makes HP, butjust can't lube the top end like other oils.

I learned'd something today!Now I'm convinced that my 4 quarts of Quaker state Q full synthetic + 1 quart of Ester oil are a great combination for my engine. That and 2,000 mile intervals.

[jandpharper]

I learned'd something today!

Now I'm convinced that my 4 quarts of Quaker state Q full synthetic + 1 quart of Ester oil are a great combination for my engine. That and 2,000 mile intervals.

Poyzinous, you are probably on to something most wouldn't eventry to understand. Interesting, I've considered doing the same. What ester are you using? Have you considered analysis to see howyou can extend the interval or whether it's a good combination?

Just some thoughts for the sake of duscussion....things I've learnedand noticed.

- More and more "blends" showing up on the market.- More and more "top end" manufacturers using "designed"blends in their engines and it appears they are developingthis technology from racing.- More blends with a mineral (dino) base are proving superiorperformance in specific applications...Plus superior change intervals-THIS STATEMENT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I"VE LEARNED...A great engine and a great oil are not often a great combination for wear/performance.-Would like to know more about who makes Nissan Ester blendfor them and how it "works" uniquely with their cylinder coating.- last but not least...I want to find that special juice thatreally works in my G! I've already done this for my othervehicles, but just not enough UOA data on the 3.7 yetbut I'm confident it will come soon. .........Jon
Modified by jandpharper at 11:36 AM 9/3/2009

[Poyzinous]

I use Nissan Ester oil, 1 quart, and 4 quarts of Quaker state Q, since they have a very nissan friendly mix in them. I love the results. Never have any cold start rattling, and my cam sensors look almost new. Smooth revving, no indications whatsoever regarding lack of oil or anything lubrication related. I love what I'm doing. New oils are being developed specific to the engine on many manufacturers. Nissan likes Molybdenum and special Teflon, also the oil-incorporating electrical systems as far as VVEL and other things need to have a little assistance from esters to maintain lubrication and optimun operating capacity under all weather and use conditions. I think Motul makes Nissan's ester oil. I'll have to contact one of my lab coat associates and get back to you...But see I work at a dealer, so I have a few advantages as far as availability of my own maintenance. Even if I wasn't though, I wouldn't hesitate to use Ester in my VVEL motor, since if I had a G37 or FX50 I would want it for years to come, and would want perfection as far as recommended operation and care.

[jandpharper]

Thanks for the info'. I have come to understand that Nissan Esteris made my Eneos, who have had a longstanding relationship withNissan. I also understand that the initial application for a EuropeanPatent on the formula was denied due to existing patents onoils formulated with carbons. If the appeal dies or expires I would expect Eneos or whoever makes it to start marketingit themselves. At a minimum, the nano particle additivebattle has begun.

I'll probably do a blend like you do. Nothing adhereson the molecular level like the ester. Now I'm thinkingtwo quarts of Nissan and two of PP and do a analysisevery 4K until they show it's broken in. ... Jon

[terrycs]

... I have not been able to find one UAO on a VVel using RP????

I prefer Mobile 1 ... here is the last UOA from my HR if you are interested:

[Poyzinous]

the high molybdenum count worries me. and the high boron count is good I guess. Its not beneficial to the motor, but its probably a product of the oil itself.

[terrycs]

the high molybdenum count worries me. and the high boron count is good I guess. Its not beneficial to the motor, but its probably a product of the oil itself.

You're right, from what I've read, moly and boron are additives.

I'm more concerned with the silicon. I gotta start looking for a possible intake leak ... dirt must be getting in from somewhere.

[SVTCOBRA]

I prefer Mobile 1 ... here is the last UOA from my HR if you are interested:

Is this the standard test for $22.50 ??

[tollboothwilley]

I don't know a ton of UOA done for the HR motor, but there have been a lot done for the DE and the REV-UP. Mobile 1 0w-40 was ranked very highly.