Oil consumption - Top of the border (yes that means Canada)

[jardolei]

I am very aware of the oil consumption issue for the REV-UP engines and have spent numerous hours researching it. I am presently going though the test with my local infiniti dealer. I printed out the service bullitin with the steps and the graph...blah blah blah.

Now heres the point of my post:

I presented the bullitin to the dealer and he said that hes was not aware of this bullitin as it targets US customers. (even though it says Nissan North America) He hinted that there was one for Canadian customers but would not elaborate on it as "I'm not supposed to have this information"

Is there any way I could get my hands on the Canadian oil consumption bullitin? I was thinking that maybe the infiniti techs could get their hands on it?

The test that they will be doing with my G is as follows:

Every 1000 KM I must go to the dealer and the tech will inspect the oil consumption. This if for 6000 KM, so I have to go there 6 times!If ever there is oil missing, they will top it off and check the next 1000 KM to see if it burned oil again, refilling if needed. After the 6000 KM they send their analysis to Infiniti headquarters for a decision.

Aparently this is the CANADIAN way.... wtf? Its the same engine in both countrys!

In the last 2 oil changes, one was on the L after 3000 KM and the other time is was a little above teh L at 3000 KM

3000KM = 1864 Miles and that fails on the US bullitin graph

[G_whizz]

Aparently this is the CANADIAN way.... wtf? Its the same engine in both countrys!

My thoughts exactly and this makes no sense... let me see if I can dig something up. At least they have documented this complaint for you so there is a record of it.

[zozoka1212]

They do the same down the states too. I don't see what's wrong with the test. They have to make sure before they give you another block. We all have to play by rules. It takes 6000 kms that's all.

[jardolei]

UPDATE:

First checkup with the stealership: I was supposed to go at 1000KM but I did a lot of driving this weekend so I was around 1800KM.

Missing oil: 2mm (which is normal)

I know that the engine uses more oil around 3000KM. The manager saw my other tests that I had done at Canadian Tire before starting the oil consumption test. The mechanic had indicated 1.1L missing (after 3500KM) and told me that it was nomal for the (infiniti) industry.... I was like wtf?I asked him oil changes are 6000KM so that means I would be missing around 1.5-2.0L of oil (estimated)? He says yes and its normal. How can it be normal when you are unable to read the oil on the dipstick?

He suggested I call Infiniti Canada to inform myself which I will do

I hate this....

[jardolei]

Bump

Anyone find any info on this for Canada? Any techs have acces to the Canadian Service bullitins?

I want to arm myself with the most information possible

[Sentientbydesign]

Might be worth contacting Infiniti directly OR checking with your local automotive authorities on this.

Having to check the oil level every 1000KM is stupid. Why do they need to check it 6 times? In the US the requirement is every 1000mi. The first 1000 yielded no difference on my G. The second 1000 was 18mm if memory serves me.

[DuaneB]

I'm very interested to see where this thread goes... I'm at the exact same point... (same Infiniti dealer too, I think).

I just finished my OC testing... dealer said engine replacements are suspended while Infiniti does some more research into the problem, because the replacement engines have not been fixing the problems. They think it's an issue of driving habits... by constantly revving engines at high rpms.

[jardolei]

Good to know someone else is also fustrated about this. I don't think its the same dealer as i'm in montreal (actually the south shore of montreal). The dealer is Park Avenue Nissan/Infiniti in Brossard

I don't think its a over-revving of the engine as I very rarely go over 5k RPM...

99% of my shifting is done between 3-4k RPM which is pretty normal to me

[DuaneB]

Oops... not sure why, but I thought you were closer to me, definitely a different dealer.

It is interesting that both dealers (in Canada) are insisting on the oil check every 1000km for 6000km. (I just finished this test).

My dealer just called today and told me that they bought back a couple of cars that had replacement engines which were still burning oil, and that with revised driving habits (i.e. not revving them), these engines were no longer burning ANY oil. hmmmmmmm.

I'll post my progress here... I'll be interested to hear the same from you. Has your dealer mentioned anything about replacement engines no longer being provided? Or maybe you aren't that far into the process yet.

[jardolei]

I only did the first test so far and I was missing 2mm after about 1600KM but I know its always like that. When I near 3000KM, thats where the oil starts burning alot.

The STEALERship even told me that if I was missing 1.1L after 3500KM it was considered normal

This was the manager and I got into a little argument with him about how that can be normal.... the guy is a retard; for him burning 2 liters of oil after 6000KM is normal??? wtf!

He's like Infiniti will not replace the engine....blah, blah, blah and that I was doing the test for nothing

Good customer satisfaction.....

By the way, did they top off your oil everytime they checked it?

[telcoman]

I am very aware of the oil consumption issue for the REV-UP engines and have spent numerous hours researching it. I am presently going though the test with my local infiniti dealer. I printed out the service bullitin with the steps and the graph...blah blah blah.

Now heres the point of my post:

I presented the bullitin to the dealer and he said that hes was not aware of this bullitin as it targets US customers. (even though it says Nissan North America) He hinted that there was one for Canadian customers but would not elaborate on it as "I'm not supposed to have this information"

Is there any way I could get my hands on the Canadian oil consumption bullitin? I was thinking that maybe the infiniti techs could get their hands on it?

The test that they will be doing with my G is as follows:

Every 1000 KM I must go to the dealer and the tech will inspect the oil consumption. This if for 6000 KM, so I have to go there 6 times!If ever there is oil missing, they will top it off and check the next 1000 KM to see if it burned oil again, refilling if needed. After the 6000 KM they send their analysis to Infiniti headquarters for a decision.

Aparently this is the CANADIAN way.... wtf? Its the same engine in both countrys!

In the last 2 oil changes, one was on the L after 3000 KM and the other time is was a little above teh L at 3000 KM

3000KM = 1864 Miles and that fails on the US bullitin graph

jardolei

Here is one of my numerous posts on this topic

http://forums.g35club.org/zerothread?id=283967

I now have over 95k miles on my 2006 G. Although I used 1qt/1000 miles when new, by the time I did the consumption test it was no longer using the 12mm per 3k miles required to get a new engine.

At my last oil change after 3000 miles (the 29th) I used less than 1 qt.

IMHO, monitor your oil closely and check weekly. Keep in mind the L level on the crappy dipstick is 2 quarts low. Do not try to check the oil unless the vehicle has been sitting on level ground & has not been running for 20 to 30 min. Otherwise oil in the dipstick tube will give you false readings.

As the mileage on my G rose, my oil consumption went down and gas mileage went up.

Telcoman

[DuaneB]

I agree that they are not treating us fairly. :-(

Yes, they did top up the oil after every check, if they hadn't then my engine would have been empty of any oil long before the 6000kms was up!

[jardolei]

And they didn't replace your engine yet! wtf?That would mean that you would have burned 5L of oil before 6,000KM... I hope they don't come back to you and say "its normal"

I used to pound the crap out of my 97 Honda Prelude before this car and rev to 7.5k every day and didn't have as much oil consumption as this, and they are KNOWN to burn oil

Now with the G, I been taking it easy since I got it and this is what I get

[DuaneB]

yup, it's burning that much.

I returned on average around every 1500-1600km which is just over a week's driving for me... and the oil was down about 12-13mm on the dipstick each time. That's about a litre every 1500km.

They called me yesterday and did say that they "suspect" this oil consumption may be normal if you are holding the rpms high for long periods of time (like 6000 rpm and holding it there). I don't rev it like that.. most of my miles are at 120km/h on the highway in 6th gear with the cruise control on.

The dealer also said that they don't have this problem with the auto transmissions, and that the engines are identical.... I told him that the camshafts are different among other things, and he denied that... he says he uses the same replacement engine for both standards and autos. It's not adding up to me... even Infiniti advertised the 6MT as having more HP than the auto cars.

I'm getting more pissed off the more I think about it. I just don't know what I can do. In the meantime, I'm putting a couple thousand kms on the car without driving over 4000 rpms... started that test this morning... all was well until that little Mazda 3 challenged me on the highway this morning, then walked away from me while I floored it in 4th gear... either he had way more than a stock engine, or I've lost so much power from burning oil rather than gasoline. So far the only thing this car has going for it is great looks.

[jardolei]

Can anybody list the differences in engines? I have a 2006 6MT

I also thought they were the same

And what he is saying about the revving is total bulls***. Tell him: Well it says to REV on my dashboard
Modified by jardolei at 10:15 AM 8/21/2009

[jardolei]

Went back last week after 1000 KM. Missing .4 on the dipstick (is that 4 mm?)So far in 2500 KM i'm at 6mm (if .4 is 4mm) which doesn't fall in the no good category. I'll have to wait further and see whats gonna happen.

So far they have told me both times that Infiniti will not replace my engine. How can they know when I haven't even finished the test?! Also, every time I go and do the test, they ask me if I still want to continue, like as if what i'm doing is useless and I'm wasting their time

Heres the problems I have so far and their responses:

Pinging at low RPM when I press the gass a little more than normal: They say they have to adjust timing 1-2 degrees. It didn't ping 4-5 months ago! Tried different gas = still same problem

A vibration/mechanical noise from the transmission/clutch when i'm not moving. I know the G makes clunks when shifting, but is more than just the clunk... I hear it at idle (sometimes): They say its normal. Well I can say its not

Oil consumption obviously: They say its normal and the car can run safely with only 3L out of 5L of oil

The G rides good but this s*** is just annoying when i'm at 27,000 KM!
Modified by jardolei at 9:24 AM 8/31/2009

[Sentientbydesign]

A vibration/mechanical noise from the transmission/clutch when i'm not moving. I know the G makes clunks when shifting, but is more than just the clunk... I hear it at idle (sometimes): They say its normal. Well I can say its not

Modified by jardolei at 9:24 AM 8/31/2009

This is more than likely a design "flaw" with the tiny transmission and lots of power. Your dual mass flywheel springs are likely beaten up nicely and aren't absorbing the power spikes anymore.

[Poyzinous]

depending on how you drive, the clutch release bearing takes a beating too...