Ohio is screwed

[audtatious]

What the hell is going on? While I don't like Obama I'm fine if he is elected by the people. If Obama gets the electoral votes to become President then he is MY President for 4 years and life goes on. BUT, I DEMAND A FAIR ELECTION FROM BOTH SIDES.

While I'm not sure what is going on in other states, I support the Ohio area and hear about all the stuff going on around the state and I have severe cause to feel there will NOT be a fair election in that state. To note:

- The Ohio Secretary of State’s office has declared that poll workers “may not challenge a voter on Election Day” if the “information provided by the person” doesn’t match the “records maintained by the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles (including data originally obtained from the Social Security Administration database).”

- The Ohio Secretary of State has issued an advisory to counties that they are not required to allow Republican election monitors/observers within the voting locations (and they are not allowing them in some counties). Now, what is interesting is that they do allow Media in to observe.

- New rules allowed new voters to register and cast an absentee ballot on the same day (up until Oct 6th). No photo ID required. This was a directive via the Ohio Secretary of State. ACORN and others were busing people in to vote during those time frames.

- Earlier this week, A federal judge in Ohio ruled that counties must allow homeless voters to list park benches and other locations that aren't buildings as their addresses.

- The Ohio Secretary of State had over 200,000 suspect voters/votes that were initially pulled from the system due to fraud and I understand these suspect votes (votes that were already cast) have since been released and will now count in the election.

So, pretty much, Ohio is open wide for voter fraud as the rulings and directives above have given carte blanche for anyone to come into the state to vote in order to swing the election.

Now, Brunner, SoS, was told via a Ohio District Court to adhere to voting laws (Section 303 of the Help America Vote Act). She appealed to the SCOTUS who sided with Brunner based upon whether Congress has authorized that District Court to enforce Section 303 in an action brought by a private litigant. So, it sided with her with "no opinion" based upon a technicality. This allowed Brunner to continue the actions above (again, with the support of the State Governor).

What is the point in having elections anymore? Brunner and the Ohio Governor are both Democrats. ACORN is all over Ohio and is busing people to different voting locations to cast ballots (in which there are now no checks and balances to determine if they have already voted or even live in Ohio). They have Scholars from other states voting by using an address in Ohio. Why is it OK for this to happen at all? Is it because in this case it will help Obama?

I'm not saying the Republicans are innocent in the past but everyone knows that everything above allows a huge lean of the state towards Obama. Why is it being allowed?

[telcoman]

What the hell is going on? I'm not saying the Republicans are innocent in the past but everyone knows that everything above allows a huge lean of the state towards Obama. Why is it being allowed?

Could it be Ohio's past history?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10...ml?hp

Telcoman

[marlin29311]

This is the kinda stuff that makes me want to have a national voting system, where everyone is issued a federal ID card. You swipe your card at any voting station in the country, and it knows that it's you - picture and all. Yea, I know it won't work, but seriously, if we can't have a fair election, what the hell has really happened to our country?

[heliochrome85]

well greg, in syria we sign votes for our president, with a pin prick to the finger, and a fingerprint in blood. so i think its a bit better here....

im serious.

that being said, i think the whole electronic voting system is fraud. diebold or whatever they want to call themselves now, have known for years that their machines can easily be hacked. yet they refuse to acknowledge it. states like ohio and florida have invested heavily in those systems following florida 2000 and that hanging chad nonsense.

I highly doubt that the chances that voter fraud occurs in ohio is anything substantial. Obama has a solid lead in it. There is no gain in doing it. Texas? Maybe... Ohio? no...

[HashiriyaS14]

Obama will likely win VA easier than OH.

If he wins VA and OH, even if OH has some tomfoolery, he still will have been legitimately elected, as he could lose OH and still win the election with VA (or CO).

If he loses VA and wins OH by some narrow margin (a highly unlikely scenario), I can see the calls of manipulation as being at least reasonable.

[marlin29311]

I have an odd feeling that McCain might take VA...

I was driving through VA to get to Virginia Tech last weekend to visit my brother at school, and as you drive down through the state all you see is McCain / Palin stuff everywhere...makes me think that everywhere but the east side of VA is going red...

[HashiriyaS14]

I have an odd feeling that McCain might take VA...

I was driving through VA to get to Virginia Tech last weekend to visit my brother at school, and as you drive down through the state all you see is McCain / Palin stuff everywhere...makes me think that everywhere but the east side of VA is going red...

Anything can happen, but I somehow doubt it.

VA has consistently been polling between 5-10 points into the Obama camp.

Early voting there has been vastly favorable to the Democrats when historically it has been the opposite. I think that NoVA and Hampton Roads will be firmly in Obama's pocket.

I could be surprised and I'll allow for that possibility, but I'd expect to see FL and OH go to McCain before VA does.

Technically, Obama doesn't need any of the three of them to win, but they'd be nice

[AZhitman]

well greg, in syria we sign votes for our president, with a pin prick to the finger, and a fingerprint in blood. so i think its a bit better here....

LET'S DO IT.

Of course, that would favor the Right... too many wusses on the Left afraid of an "owie".

[wawazat8402]

Haha, so true. Im very uncertain about the new voting methods. I really think there should be some type of hardcopy backup to each and every vote cast. I also read an article in Time this past week that listed some of the complications that may arise on Nov. 4th. The big one I noticed was the inconsistent nature of states' ID requirements. I would be willing to pay for a voters ID that resembled our driver's license. Make it have a picture, our registration number and get verified with an electronic fingerprint at the voting station. All this talk of national security and we cant even insure that the votes are being taken in secure manner.

In response to the Democrats not liking an owie, haha. I have 10 piercings and a few tattoos and the nurse at my doctors office still asks if I have any issues with needles when I get vaccinated.

[smockers83]

Umm, Ohio is always screwed.

[WDRacing]

National Voters Cards is an idea I would back...

Then again, the electoral system needs to go away period. Count the votes, announce the winner. No card, no vote, on the way out stop the ICE desk on the way out.

Call it the four year round-up/election

BTW HASH, I think the point isn't that voter fraud in Ohio could sway the election, it's that our current elected officials are doing whatever they want and in this case it's blatantly obvious that they are making personal decisions that "could" effect everyone in the USA. It's criminal and they should be removed from office immediately and locked up for a period of no less then 8 million years. Or death by souvenir Red Sox bat, we'll let them pick.

[480sx]

I have an odd feeling that McCain might take VA...

I was driving through VA to get to Virginia Tech last weekend to visit my brother at school, and as you drive down through the state all you see is McCain / Palin stuff everywhere...makes me think that everywhere but the east side of VA is going red...

You have to realize dude, the part of Va you were in is BF Egypt when compared to Northern Va. Blacksburg, and any area 50 miles south of DC is really a different world. Im not exactly sure about the percentage of the Va population that live in NOVA, but its a majority. While its normal for the rural parts of Va to go red, the state has been blue for a while because of Nova. Nova recently has sided strongly with Dems, and shows no signs of changing this election.

[audtatious]

http://www.dispatch.com/live/c...d=101

Cool!!!! Getting Alzheimer's patients to go vote....

[telcoman]

http://www.dispatch.com/live/c...d=101

Cool!!!! Getting Alzheimer's patients to go vote....

Is that a real newspaper?

[audtatious]

To you? No. It's in redneck land where they only get to listen to Rush and other right-wing whack jobs on am radio, thus they are stupid and you feel their votes should not count anyway as only those in Cali and the great NE should pick your President.......After they ask you who it should be.

[telcoman]

To you? No. It's in redneck land where they only get to listen to Rush and other right-wing whack jobs on am radio, thus they are stupid and you feel their votes should not count anyway as only those in Cali and the great NE should pick your President.......After they ask you who it should be.

Here try reading a real newspaper.

http://www.nytimes.com/

Always willing to help ya out

[audtatious]

Is it like a popup book? Have lots of pictures and cartoons? Coloring areas?

If not, I won't understand as I'm in Indiana too.