Oh what a shock! Mercedes-Benz blows!

YouTube · Post by **Jesda** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:32 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4398901.stmI guess they get bonus points for trying?

[Thread title is laced with sarcasm.]

Post by **MinisterofDOOM** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:24 pm

Jesda wrote:[Thread title is laced with sarcasm.]

I'm glad you told me. I had no idea.

THIS, people, is why you don't buy Eurotrash. Wanna impress the neighbors? Well a Bimmer or a MB WON'T do that anymore, because it'll spend more time in the shop than parked in your driveway for people to...er...admire.

Yay for Mercedes Benz and their expensive cars!

Post by **Mr1der** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:55 am

bleh...

gimme a Porsche or give german cars death.

Post by **driverdriver** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:09 pm

I guess this is what happens when you take your best engineers and move them to the Chrysler portion of the house to better engineer unreliable Chrysler vehicles and you leave unqualified inexperienced engineers in charge of the Mercedes side.

YouTube · Post by **Jesda** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:55 pm

It started in the late 90s when MB decided to cut costs and add new technology. They got sloppy. Meanwhile, Chrysler kept its electronics and designs simple, but cheaped out on parts.

Post by **M3Racer** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:46 am

MinisterofDOOM wrote:THIS, people, is why you don't buy Eurotrash. Wanna impress the neighbors? Well a Bimmer or a MB WON'T do that anymore, because it'll spend more time in the shop than parked in your driveway for people to...er...admire.

You know not everyone buys good cars so other people will like them. A lot of people buy them because they're nice cars.

YouTube · Post by **Jesda** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 11:17 am

BMW engineering is still top-notch, but quality control for both BMW and MB are eating off the bottom of the river.

Some nice things are still crap.

Now, where can I get my hands on a used 330..

Post by **elwesso** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:15 pm

the bottom line is, german engineering of the late 80s and early 90s will still be the best ever...

An old 750iL, 560SEL (or 600 :o ) 850i (with manual!) or E34 M5 is the way to go. An E34 M5 is so choice its unbelieveable....

Japs have remained reliably reliable but germans will still win... No matter what happens, BMW will still put a manual in its 5 series and from now on mercedes will still suck

i dont get why people buy the new MBs. the BMWs are still OK (dont agree with their high OCIs) but they wont make em like they used to!

Post by **driverdriver** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:47 pm

According to IIHS and NHTSA and Canaidian IBC studies, Mercedes are the best car to be in if your involved in a serious auto accident. Only 9 fatalities between '99-'02 and the majority of those where attributed to passengers not wearing seatbelts.

I can believe that, I now someone who walked away from a multi vehicle pile-up with her 2 young kids unscathed. Her Mercedes ML320 SUV vehicle was hit directly and indirectly 5 times on the highway. after the accident she bought another ML.

YouTube · Post by **Jesda** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:49 pm

Its like the people who bought midsized Cadillacs in the 80s. They were crap, but something in the brain (outside influence? tradition?) convinced them otherwise.

If safety is the prime concern, save your money -- buy a Volvo.

Post by **driverdriver** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:06 pm

Jesda wrote:
If safety is the prime concern, save your money -- buy a Volvo.

Actually Volvo did not score that well in any one of the studies. I think they sell a "perception" of safe cars. Besides Volvos are notorious for early transmission failures and engine damage from overheating caused by the failure of cooling systems. Just go on any Volvo forum and look under s60, s80, XC and V series wagon forums.

YouTube · Post by **Jesda** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:04 pm

Still, safety is hardly a compelling reason to buy a modern MB. It doesn't make up for horrendous build quality issues on the S, E, and ML class. Some blame the ML's problems on being built in Kentucky -- I call it bean counters in charge of engineering.

If safety is your primary goal, there's more affordable and reliable ways of achieving it.

Post by **gabossie** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:09 pm

The older Volvo's were tanks, nothing could beat them in crash tests. New ones, I don't know so much about.

Post by **driverdriver** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:36 pm

I think the ML's are built in Alabama.

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