Oh, right. Only ACORN and lefties do this crap

[srellim234]

http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_16461645

Just another reason to throw both parties out.

[AZhitman]

Bogus, but not as insidious as it seems. I don't see where the GOP stands to gain anything by this.

The problem here lies with giving some knucklehead college kid $8 a registration... I don't think this is some carefully-orchestrated scandalous voter fraud.

Rail on something REALLY insidious, like the absentee ballot issue for active-duty deployed military people.

[srellim234]

"...Wall also said the Republican Party clearly gains by having more registered voters, even if those voters aren't Republicans and won't vote for Republicans next week.

"It's something they can use to market their party," Wall said. "By showing they've got X percent of voters in the area, and that the number is climbing ... it could show there's a groundswell of support or sentiment that isn't there...."

The Republican Party has become a minority Party but is not willing to acknowledge the role. They need to be able to create numbers that show that young people are joining their ranks in droves.

Democrats aren't about to say that about the Republicans because the two parties have developed a process that prevents others from entering the game and allows the two parties to conspire to destroy the middle class and return to a feudal system in this country.

I find it interesting that you were all up in arms about this when it was the left doing this in 2008 but you dismiss it as inconsequential when the right does it. You should be condemning both sides equally, AZ. Your bias is showing.

[AZhitman]

I can read. Quite well, in fact.

"...Wall also said the Republican Party clearly gains by having more registered voters, even if those voters aren't Republicans and won't vote for Republicans next week.

"It's something they can use to market their party," Wall said.

Oh good lord. Whoever "Wall" is, he's an idiot. Big damn deal. So, he's basing his position on them using some overinflated number as "leverage"? For what?

As I said, the GOP really doesn't stand to gain by registering people who aren't Republicans AS Republicans. Period. End of story - Hell, it actually is BAD for the GOP.

Wall appears to me to be a drama queen, and, being the "chairman of the county Democratic Party", he's certainly not above making this an issue. Again, re-read my "$8" statement. This isn't orchestrated fraud, but it IS a non-issue.

I find it interesting that you were all up in arms about this when it was the left doing this in 2008 but you dismiss it as inconsequential when the right does it. You should be condemning both sides equally, AZ. Your bias is showing.

Actually, my issue in 2008 involved actual voter fraud and intimidation (in several different incarnations). This is neither. Big difference.

Perhaps the extreme stretch to make this into some "grand scheme" says more about your biases than mine.

BTW, I hear there's some real vote fraud happening in Nevada. Check it out.

[srellim234]

If you can read quite well you should have read who Wall is. It's in the article.

Obviously the Republican Party feels that it is worth more than $8 per person for each registration. Otherwise they wouldn't pay it. As Republican registration rolls decrease they lose clout and leverage. Leverage? Big difference whether your party has 24% of the registered voters or 45%.

They need to be able to show that their numbers are increasing. While this article is not evidence that this is a concerted effort at fraud it speaks volumes that the Republican leaders failed to condemn such actions or even offer to look into it. They'll take every registration they can buy, legitimate or not.

[AZhitman]

...and the Left will take every VOTE they can get, fraudulent or not.

Like I said, there's no comparison. It's not voter fraud, it's a bunch of dimwitted college kids bilking a rich uncle, $8 at a time for beer money.

Here's an [admittedly slanted] good article on the state of voter fraud, circa... well, today.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/10/ ... rse_m.html

Like the author says, either the traditionally liberal media has suddenly and inexplicably turned topsy-turvy and decided NOT to report GOP vote fraud.... OR, there's just more fraudulent activity going on in the Left.

Which one is it?

Wouldn't you think, given the media's lefty slant, that the news would be slathered with stories implicating the GOP? Yet all they can muster is teenage hijinks on a college campus.

[n00b240]

That article.....is CRAP. And that kid, trying to make 8 bucks a pop, is a story we have heard before, some GOP tool gets tried and convicted because he thinks he is doing the right thing. Buncha tools in acorn, tried and convicted because they think they are doing the right thing.

MOST of the cases of voter fraud I have seen in the past, ended up drying up fast, because the evidence simply turned out to be not there, due to inflated claims. There are a few cases, of voter fraud by the "dems" and the "GOP." I use the quotes because its really a brainless tool doing the fraudulent activity. The GOP is full of hacks trying to exploit every potential case of voter fraud. And the Dems are full of hacks trying to exploit every potential case, if it just looks bad. To me, its just partisan politics at best. And its not just about votes either, if something can be attributed to a party, then people run with that. Its crap

So the GOP tells hispanic voters to make their voice heard by "staying at home and not voting." I dont see fraud, I dont see racism, I see dumb a** tools acting a fool. Dems, GOP, liberals, conservatives. The ACORN offices that made the news were run by a bunch of clowns. To me this is no different, than the minority of muslims, doing bad things that a whole religion gets blamed for. Got a couple of bad apples, must be those Liberals, or must be those dems.

Get an uneducated Sarah Palin, or Tea Party nut jobs, and all of a sudden, those Tea baggers are a buncha racists, or the GOP is a big fat white people only club. I mean COME ON. Im tired of this crap of, "see they do it too, so its not bad when we get in trouble for it." GOP makes a racist remark, everyone jumps on it. GOP is on the defensive. Harry Reid says the then Senator Obama, a well spoken negro, all of a sudden the dems are racist too. And the dems are on the defensive.

What ever happened to the moderate, tolerant voice in all of this? And people look to the "independent" voter as if they were the chosen ones deciding things.....its CRAP. When I hear all of this, they do it too stuff, I think of one of my favorite talk radio hosts: Michael Savage, on the Savage Nation, he had a show on MSNBC for like 2 weeks before he said something like "Are you one of those Sodomists? I hope you get AIDS and die, I hope you choke on a sausage...."

Heh but seriously, these things are polarizing, they do it too, so its ok. A few bad apples and they are all bad.

I may have strayed from the OP but I just had to get that out. The hospital keeps me quite busy, and I need a break

[96Qowner]

Nice rant n00b!

And I'd like to add that, meanwhile, nobody has to focus on a solution. "It's his fault, he did it!" "No, it's his fault, he did it!"

"They do it, too!" just doesn't fly in real life. You fix it, and then remember whose fault you thought it was - argue about it later.

[srellim234]

Which is why I advocate throwing both parties out. Neither operates with integrity. Neither has the interest of the United States at heart over the interest of the party. Both have proven they're incapable of governing in a responsible manner when they've had the majority. And they both continue to play these shenanigans.

If you have a legitimate voter fraud complaint I would recommend detailing it to these guys

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/Octo ... -1211.html

but unfortunately it's the fox watching the hen house. We've seen plenty of times under both parties' watches that the DOJ isn't always allowed to operate independently like it should be.

My main concern about this stuff locally here in my area is that it appears that the Republican operative who pled guilty of voter fraud before (pleading his own registration was fraudulent to avoid the larger public trial regarding slamming hundreds or thousands of registrations) is up to his old tricks in this area again.

Like yours, AZ, this is an incredibly biased link but there is a local history of this here in So. Calif that is repeating itself.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/star-p ... is-old-tri

The true voter fraud being perpetrated in this country is the gerrymandering of districts that Democrats and Republicans are allowed to do. No competition allowed. Even the 'independent" redistricting commission we're voting on here is required to be comprised of five Democrats, five Republicans and only four people not registered with either of those two parties. Think anything will change when 10 who want the status quo vote against the independent four? And yes, slamming your registration numbers DOES give you leverage when trying to protect your five positions on this election panel.

I understand your concern about the fraud elsewhere, AZ. It needs to be condemned and prosecuted everywhere no matter who is doing it. My concern is heightened in this instance because I live smack dead center in the small geographical area of this particular instance.

[AZhitman]

Understood, and agreed. I wasn't aware that this was in your area, but nonetheless, there's plenty of it to go around.

Another example? Felons Vote, Soldiers Don't. http://video.foxnews.com/v/4391433/felo ... iers-dont/

[srellim234]

Just more hysteria from an ignorant Doocey who supposedly is a morning news anchor but is bordering on Glenn Beck ridiculousness with his facial expressions, opinions and ignorance. Very unprofessional and definitely not a journalist with even a hint of knowing the basics of journalism..

Here's a better explanation of the military side from a more credible source:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/ ... 10.article

The system of the area that brought us Richard Daley politics is highly imperfect and ripe for voter fraud as usual but not as totally out there as Fox makes it out to be when it comes to the military ballots. If the DOJ were truly independent they would be all over the Chicago area looking at all of this. From what I understand felons are not allowed to vote there; was the exercise to send ballots to jails really for convicted felons? Are we talking about people being held awaiting trial that haven't been convicted of anything yet? In that instance those people would be eligible to vote.

I do agree that it looks too close to being fraud. Where's the DOJ?

EDIT: Added stat: I just looked it up and the Cook Couny jail houses over 10,000 people at any given time. It is reasonable that 1/4 are not convicted felons (yet). People being held that couldn't make bail, people awaiting trial, etc. etc. DOJ still needs to take a look at who got those ballots.

[AZhitman]

Great question!

Where was the DOJ in prosecuting the NBPP?

Where was the DOJ in prosecuting the AIG mastermind?

Where was the DOJ in aggressively prosecuting terrorism suspects?

Where was the DOJ when Arizona was having an illegal immigration crisi... wait. Nevermind.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-blo ... 1824/posts

[96Qowner]

Arg, isn't this another case of everyone looking for someone to blame? WHY are these States not complying? What's their problem?

It sounds a lot like "You shoulda done something!" "No, you shoulda!"

Is this MOVE Act so cumbersome that it just went badly?

[edit] Here's the MOVE Act:

https://www.overseasvotefoundation.org/node/282

[96Qowner]

Why are all these States and their Counties not complying?

http://blogs.usdoj.gov/blog/archives/1026

Ah man, so each State had to pass legislation to comply with the MOVE Act?

http://coloradoindependent.com/58686/bu ... es-reality

LOL, ok, I found the problem. It's a riot. You'll love reading this

http://electionlawblog.org/archives/017663.html

[srellim234]

Great question!

Where was the DOJ in prosecuting the NBPP?

Where was the DOJ in prosecuting the AIG mastermind?

Where was the DOJ in aggressively prosecuting terrorism suspects?

Where was the DOJ when Arizona was having an illegal immigration crisi... wait. Nevermind.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-blo ... 1824/posts

And where was the DOJ when all the crap was going on in 2006? Oh, yeah. The Bush Administration fired all the attorneys.

The bottom line is that we've allowed two political parties to operate in collusion with one another. Whoever holds the top spot pulls the puppet strings of the DOJ. Somehow we need to make the DOJ more independent but Congress and the Executive branch will never allow that.

[IBCoupe]

What bugs me isn't the people on the ground manipulating voter registration. Those are isolated incidents, and always have been. Even out of the ACORN fiasco, we saw a grand total of 23 confirmed faulty voter ballots, and there's no indication that it went any further than random people on the street with clipboards.

What bugs me is crap like this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKFAiMbm1Fc[/youtube]
Telling people not to vote is worse than registering people for the wrong party.

[srellim234]

Turns out DOJ is applying heat on the states to take care of military voters. Apparently some suits have already been filed by DOJ. I read the following article today in the Air Force Times:

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2010/ ... ts-102810/

[n00b240]

GOP slippin "vote for me" inside paychecks of those workin at McDonalds

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/10/ ... ?tag=strip

I cant help but think of football's "QB sneak." Why McDonalds???

Decisions people both parties make to try to get a leg up is crazy. My whole point when I say everyone is doin it, cause the other side always says "they do it too." I dunno what I would think if someone did that to me and my paycheck.....but then again I get direct deposit

[audtatious]

<yawn>

After getting their azzes whooped in '08 the GOP is surely wanting to mirror the Dems. Retarded is as retarded does.

Ooops, sorry...I may get Palin mad at me for using the word retard.

[AZhitman]

Steve's right, ultimately.

Both parties suck s***, and until there's a commonsense Libertarian (or an Independent with a nasty Isolationist/Capitalist streak), I'm gonna be disgusted with our choices.

[IBCoupe]

Eh, I think the opportunity for American isolationism has long gone by. We're all too comfortable now in our current lifestyles (or, at least, the majority of us are) to slip back into lifestyles that promote a purely self-sustaining economy.

[n00b240]

Steve's right, ultimately.

Both parties suck s***, and until there's a commonsense Libertarian (or an Independent with a nasty Isolationist/Capitalist streak), I'm gonna be disgusted with our choices.

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