Offset Question
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BuLLeTdrift
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Offset Question
I've gotten a couple of suggestions on what would be the right offset, but i need to make sure. right now i have stock 15's on Gr-2s & Tein S-techs. i'm getting 17's really soon here, so any help w/ the offset would be, well, helpful. let me know thanx.
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BuudWeizErr
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what width?you want to roll fenders?........pull fenders?what are you trying to do? grip, drift, drag, hard park?
THERE IS NO BE ALL END ALL OFFSET. It all depends, super low if you aren't a crybaby and have make it fit attitude, high offset if you just want it to fit and probably look like total crap with honda wheels on a Nissan.
THERE IS NO BE ALL END ALL OFFSET. It all depends, super low if you aren't a crybaby and have make it fit attitude, high offset if you just want it to fit and probably look like total crap with honda wheels on a Nissan.
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ChunkiDori wrote:what width?you want to roll fenders?........pull fenders?what are you trying to do? grip, drift, drag, hard park?
THERE IS NO BE ALL END ALL OFFSET. It all depends, super low if you aren't a crybaby and have make it fit attitude, high offset if you just want it to fit and probably look like total crap with honda wheels on a Nissan.
i can answere those q's u asked bulletdrift because Im his friend and he doesn't really know much. lol (sorry bullet!) But the rim size he is getting is, 17x7 all around. Yes he is going to be drifting and grip driving. Im know he doesn't want to pull or roll his fenders. so what would be a good offset?
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depending on how low you are. honestly, i'd get something on the lower end, and if you absolutely have to, you can roll your fenders (rolling you can't see from outside, you have to put your hand under the fender to tell) with a hairdryer and an old shoe or a soft rubber hammer. so that it doesn't rub on the fender. go higher if you want absolutely no clearance issues.
put 215/45/17 on them
or maybe 205, but 215 would be better i guess. 7" is really small.
depending on how low you are. honestly, i'd get something on the lower end, and if you absolutely have to, you can roll your fenders (rolling you can't see from outside, you have to put your hand under the fender to tell) with a hairdryer and an old shoe or a soft rubber hammer. so that it doesn't rub on the fender. go higher if you want absolutely no clearance issues.
put 215/45/17 on them
or maybe 205, but 215 would be better i guess. 7" is really small.
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Well, here's something else to digest. Every 7" wide 17" wheel I've ever come across (w/ the exception of the fn01rc) has been sized for the Honda community and therefore comes in only high offsets. Maybe you'll find something, but you're best bet is to look for something in 17x7x5"...there are many wheels in that size with proper offsets. Something around +30 would be perfect (for the car)...if you want it more JdM fLuSh, get spacers or a lower offset...but good luck finding any 17x7 w/ a low offset.
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FN01 in 17x7 comes in CRAP offsets... +35 what a joke.
honestly, your buddy is better off finding 17x8; non crap size.
5chicken recommends 17x8 +25 front 17x9 +35 rear for s13, personally, i dislike stagger and wayyyy too conservative offset for my taste.
my rule of thumb
2W >= H
twice width needs to be greater than or equal to wheel height. 17x8.5 good size, 17x7 bad size, 17x10, p-i-m-p
honestly, your buddy is better off finding 17x8; non crap size.
5chicken recommends 17x8 +25 front 17x9 +35 rear for s13, personally, i dislike stagger and wayyyy too conservative offset for my taste.
my rule of thumb
2W >= H
twice width needs to be greater than or equal to wheel height. 17x8.5 good size, 17x7 bad size, 17x10, p-i-m-p
....except contact patch area isnt goverend by tire width
you cant just go "oh yeah, wide wheel" It's been a disturbing trend among people to think wide, low offset wheels are better(without knowing why they are used and when they should be)....
lets clear something up, when you run a wider wheel, you want to keep the centerweight of the wheel close to the stock suspsnions line verying too far from this(moving weight further from the hub) can lead to more hub and wheel bearing stress, and a horrible weight bias toward the inner edge of the wheel, l overheating the inner edge of the contact patch...causing more problems.
if all you want is a wide look, go for it. dont come crying to me about worn out wheel bearing and other problems.
also "conservative" offsets those may be, but they are CORRECT for the wheel width given to properly fit the cars suspension geometry.
widening the track is fine if you can adjust your suspension to accomidate it correctly.....and there's maybe..oh..3% of the modified cars out there that have suspensions able to do that....
just a thought, wider isnt always better.
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you cant just go "oh yeah, wide wheel" It's been a disturbing trend among people to think wide, low offset wheels are better(without knowing why they are used and when they should be)....
lets clear something up, when you run a wider wheel, you want to keep the centerweight of the wheel close to the stock suspsnions line verying too far from this(moving weight further from the hub) can lead to more hub and wheel bearing stress, and a horrible weight bias toward the inner edge of the wheel, l overheating the inner edge of the contact patch...causing more problems.
if all you want is a wide look, go for it. dont come crying to me about worn out wheel bearing and other problems.
also "conservative" offsets those may be, but they are CORRECT for the wheel width given to properly fit the cars suspension geometry.
widening the track is fine if you can adjust your suspension to accomidate it correctly.....and there's maybe..oh..3% of the modified cars out there that have suspensions able to do that....
just a thought, wider isnt always better.
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Chet is right in some aspects.
I may need to cut back on my posting in this forum, only because I can only offer advice based on my knowledge and experience in drifting. I don't know jack about grip or stock replacement/all around performance like he does.
The wide wheel, low offset with small tires really has no place outside of drifting. The wide wheel combined with low offset not only increases track but more importantly, stability at speed.
I've been doing some reading about repurcussions of wide/low combinations. Cliffs notes of what I've come across so far is:-a wide/low wheel increases the amount of bumpsteer-a low/wide combo actually increases the length of the leverage arm and makes it easier to compress the suspension which can result in a softer feel, possibly a reason why some of the pros run such insanely high spring rates.-that a wide wheel with low offset actually decreases wheel bearing stress. If you think about it, you do want your contact patch centered on the wheel. If you have a 9" wheel and a +50 offset, the center of the contact patch is actually further in than the hub mounting point. Whereas with an offset closer to 0, at 0 camber, the contact patch is centered on the wheel, and the patch can be adjusted with camber.-the worst thing you can do would be to get a narrow, low offset wheel, because the leverage arm is so much longer, and the contact patch is pushed so far out.
I talked to someone who lives in Japan, and he said that people don't really have problems with bearing wear on S chassis there running wide/low combos, FC's on the other hand... As it is, drifting will put excess wear on the bearings, for obvious reasons.
comments? I know you know a crapload about this stuff.
edit: i want ALCA's
I may need to cut back on my posting in this forum, only because I can only offer advice based on my knowledge and experience in drifting. I don't know jack about grip or stock replacement/all around performance like he does.
The wide wheel, low offset with small tires really has no place outside of drifting. The wide wheel combined with low offset not only increases track but more importantly, stability at speed.
I've been doing some reading about repurcussions of wide/low combinations. Cliffs notes of what I've come across so far is:-a wide/low wheel increases the amount of bumpsteer-a low/wide combo actually increases the length of the leverage arm and makes it easier to compress the suspension which can result in a softer feel, possibly a reason why some of the pros run such insanely high spring rates.-that a wide wheel with low offset actually decreases wheel bearing stress. If you think about it, you do want your contact patch centered on the wheel. If you have a 9" wheel and a +50 offset, the center of the contact patch is actually further in than the hub mounting point. Whereas with an offset closer to 0, at 0 camber, the contact patch is centered on the wheel, and the patch can be adjusted with camber.-the worst thing you can do would be to get a narrow, low offset wheel, because the leverage arm is so much longer, and the contact patch is pushed so far out.
I talked to someone who lives in Japan, and he said that people don't really have problems with bearing wear on S chassis there running wide/low combos, FC's on the other hand... As it is, drifting will put excess wear on the bearings, for obvious reasons.
comments? I know you know a crapload about this stuff.
edit: i want ALCA's
more in depth:-the lower the car, the more the bump steer, unless you adjust the roll center, this is exagerated by the wider track/longer lever asserted by the higher negative offset wheel.-its true you want the center weight of the wheel ideneticaly(or closely thereof) the origional hub point(OE wheel), so lower offsetws are required with wider wheels...unfortuantely, as you increase width and decrease offset, to keep the centerline of the wheel close to stock, you run out of room very quickly on the inner side of the suspension(on 240's on the front this happens about 7.5" to 8" wide front and 9" rear) so you start having to(with wide wheel, for drifting, etc) run a massively low offset wheel, moving the majority fo the weight further out from the hub, generating more bearing and suspension stress, and making it ahrder for the suspension to controll...thusly the higher spring rates, pillow/heim joints, etc.-"-the worst thing you can do would be to get a narrow, low offset wheel, because the leverage arm is so much longer, and the contact patch is pushed so far out." absolutely. not only does this increase elverage on the suspension(the bad kind) but it provides no counter leverage(weight) and no real advantage(other than widening the track a bit).
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