sil80_chris wrote:This Infamy trailer is insane...war in america!?! holy crap...and i was just in it mostly for the online...story FTW.

snwbrdr435 wrote:Scotty Lago ftw lol

I didnt really like this video as a whole but this and a few other parts stood out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRIpu73RIzc

snwbrdr435 wrote:Lol that was suppose to go into the learned'd woops i wonder were that went how the hell did it end up in here?

RCA wrote:

MinisterofDOOM wrote:I have a feeling running dedicated servers will be as simple as editing a file. Won't be officially supported, but neither are private WoW servers, and they're everywhere.

LocAL_anarchy wrote:Not sure if it is legit or not, but from what I have read, the Best Buy in Scranton, PA is having an unusual midnight release celebration. It appears that those who are waiting to purchase the game will be able to pass the time until midnight by playing laser tag against the Pennsylvania National Guard.

MinisterofDOOM wrote:As I've said many times: Simplifying things is not always good. Sometimes complexity is preferable when it is accompanied by more choices.

MinisterofDOOM wrote:I'm assuming someone will rig up a "private IWNet" that will appear to clients as IWNet, and therefore will be browsable through the in-game server browser.

I still think the move is stupid, and their excuses are, if anything, even MORE stupid, but I don't expect the resourceful PC community to be thwarted by this move. Lots of other games have private/dedicated servers that aren't officially supported.I also wouldn't be surprised if IW made use of private/dedicated servers other than IWNet against the terms of use of the game, though.

Here's an attempt at defending the decision. I heartily disagree with every point.

http://www.fourzerotwo.com/?p=745

As I've said many times: Simplifying things is not always good. Sometimes complexity is preferable when it is accompanied by more choices.

MTV Multiplayer Blog wrote:"'Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2' is actually the biggest investment Infinity Ward has ever made into the PC version of our games," he wrote on his FourZeroTwo blog. "It’s also the most feature-rich PC version we’ve ever made. IWNET takes the benefits of dedicated servers and allows them to be utilized and accessed by every player, out of the box, while removing the barrier to entry for players unaware of how to maintain a server on their own."

Time Edwards, Editor PC Gamer wrote:Why I signed the Modern Warfare 2 Dedicated Server Petition; And why you should, too.

By Tim Edwards

20-Oct-2009

The news that Modern Warfare 2 will not include code for dedicated multiplayer servers, instead relying on a yet to be revealed, peer-to-peer matchmaking service called IW.net, hasn't gone down well. At the last glance, 90,000 gamers had signed a petition asking for dedicated server support to be reinstated. Those gamers are right. I've signed the same petition, and I think you should, too. Here's why.

A dedicated server is a PC usually held within a bank of computers belonging to a private company or the game's own publisher. Dedicated server hosts have been part of PC gaming for decades; I think you can attribute some of the rise of multiplayer games like Counter-Strike and Call of Duty directly to their work.

Why?

1) Dedicated server hosts are judged by their reliability. If a server crashes, or an internet connection goes down, the gamers paying to host the game will complain, and they'll start to move elsewhere. This economic motivation forces server hosts to constantly improve their hardware, their internet connection, and their management tools. Compare that to the peer-to-peer networking that Infinity Ward developers are proposing, where the quality of the game will be entirely dependant on the gamer's own home web connection.

2) Dedicated servers are fair. Want to know why that player always seems to get the drop on you when you're playing Call of Duty on Xbox 360? It might be because he's the host of the game. In combat, data has to be bounced from his console, to yours, and back again, for you to impact on the game. Meanwhile, he doesn't have to wait on the round trip - he can fire as soon as he's ready. Hosts always have an advantage in peer-to-peer networked games.

3) Dedicated servers are adaptable. We don't know the details of what InfinityWard.net will offer, but there's little chance that the tickbox customisation options usually available to players in peer-to-peer matchmaking setups can match the level of control dedicated servers offer. That can include, but not be limited to: competitive players who run their own specific rulesets, to the spectator mode mods, to machinima friendly sets, to the expanded player counts, to the custom maps. That evolution of content is key to extending a PC game's lifespan, and improving that game. Enabling the community to host the mods and maps they choose is a good thing. Entire game development businesses have been built from gamers hosting dedicated servers for popular, low key games. Guys like Splash Damage (Enemy Territory, Brink), Tripwire Interactive (Red Orchestra, Killing Floor) simply wouldn't be around were it not for gamers putting up their own cash to pay for dedicated servers.

4) Dedicated servers create community. Don't think of them as a piece of hardware. Think of them as a place. PC Gamer hosts servers for Team Fortress 2, Killing Floor, and yes, Modern Warfare. We have plenty of regulars who are looking forward to playing Modern Warfare 2 together. If we had dedicated server code, we would definitely host our own place - it's good for our readers, and it's good to create magazine loyalty. Every month, we'll join the servers to play with them. We don't have to swap friends contacts, or pray that our skill levels will broadly match. We just double click the server, and we're playing together. PC Gamer isn't alone - communities worldwide love hosting servers for their members. Peer-to-peer matchmaking stops that happening. Now, that specific group of fans simply can't play together. Even worse, without dedicated servers we can't enforce our 'don't be a ***' policy. We can't ban racist or homophobic players, nor can we appoint our own moderators to look after our community when we're not online.

Modern Warfare 2 launches in twenty days. It would be nice to see Infinity Ward demonstrate what advantages InfinityWard.net can offer as soon as possible.

-Tim Edwards