I have a theory on how we can save money on fuel. I just paid $40 to fill up with premium.
I would hope Q45tech would chime in.
Could we buy regular unleaded and simply add a bottle of octane boost? Now that I study on it, I wonder if it would be worth it. Let's see you'd save 20 cents a gallon, on 20 gallons....that would be a whopping $4.00 saved per tank. Doesn't really seem worth it does it. Oh well.
What about adding octane boost to our full tanks of premium, would it increase performance, MPG, or anything?How often do you use Octane Boost?
Octane Boost?
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AlabamaDan
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Always less expensive to buy premium, than to try to raise regular, even mid grade to premium levels.
Even regular has already been octane boosted with additives to allow refineries to use garbage oils.
The best oils only contain 30% by volume of the components of gasoline, the rest has to be synthesized and hydrocracked.
There is the law of diminishing effect, also additive contain oxygenates which lower the heating value of gasoline lowering the mpg. Premium is already 1-2% lower.
Believe me retail gasoline is already as additivized to the max to save on using crude oil.
Anything you buy at retail is already 5-10 times more expensive than the refiner would pay.
By the way the [104] octane booster you buy don't work in small quanties] and cause deposits in cylinders, on spark plugs and valves.
Premium only cost 4-5 cents per gallon wholesale more than regular.......the rest is transport and station cost from having to keep something in tanks that only sells 12% compared to combined regular and midrange.
Even regular has already been octane boosted with additives to allow refineries to use garbage oils.
The best oils only contain 30% by volume of the components of gasoline, the rest has to be synthesized and hydrocracked.
There is the law of diminishing effect, also additive contain oxygenates which lower the heating value of gasoline lowering the mpg. Premium is already 1-2% lower.
Believe me retail gasoline is already as additivized to the max to save on using crude oil.
Anything you buy at retail is already 5-10 times more expensive than the refiner would pay.
By the way the [104] octane booster you buy don't work in small quanties] and cause deposits in cylinders, on spark plugs and valves.
Premium only cost 4-5 cents per gallon wholesale more than regular.......the rest is transport and station cost from having to keep something in tanks that only sells 12% compared to combined regular and midrange.
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AlabamaDan
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Study your petro chemical reactions..........to get by EPA they are increasing the research octane for a single non valid to real world test.
All that counts at 900 rpm and above is the MOTOR OCTANE TEST.
The BRAND NAME is 104+ doesn't have a thing to do with what it does.
"One of the problems with over-the-counter octane boosters is that you are not really sure how the chemical(s) is/are going to affect the real-world octane ratings. A very effective octane booster, MMT (methyl cyclopentandienyl manganese tricarbonyl), is the base product in both 104+ and 104+Super octane boosters. A can of this will treat about 22 gallons (83 litres), raising the Research octane of low-octane unleaded (91-93 RON) by about 3-4 and 4-6 respectively for 104+ and 104+Super. With premium leaded and premium unleaded (95-98 RON), however, this boost effect decreases to 0.5-1 and 1-2 respectively with 104+ and 104+Super. The reduction in booster/pump fuel ratio may not cause the octane rating to progress in a linear manner."
http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Mi...s.htm
http://www.astm.org/cgi-bin/So...store
http://www.btinternet.com/~mad....htmlh ... m/...0.htm
Additing 4 -16 ounce bottles to 22 gallons of 87 octane could get you to 91-92 octane at about a 2.5% concentration.
20 cents x 22= $4.40, can you buy the stuff for $1.10 per 16 ounces or $8.80 per gallon including tax -----don't think so.
"MMT is ignored by refiners in the U.S. in favor of other antidetonants, mainly because it’s illegal in areas where RFG is required and a few refiners feel its long-term use might compromise engine life. MMT is shunned by car companies due to durability concerns about components in on-board diagnostic and emissions control systems and questioned by the EPA as a possible health hazard. Nevertheless, in 1995, MMT was allowed on the U.S. market with some restrictions after its manufacturer won a Federal court case against the EPA. At this writing almost no U.S. refiners add MMT to gasoline, but it is the key ingredient in a few canned octane boosters."
All that counts at 900 rpm and above is the MOTOR OCTANE TEST.
The BRAND NAME is 104+ doesn't have a thing to do with what it does.
"One of the problems with over-the-counter octane boosters is that you are not really sure how the chemical(s) is/are going to affect the real-world octane ratings. A very effective octane booster, MMT (methyl cyclopentandienyl manganese tricarbonyl), is the base product in both 104+ and 104+Super octane boosters. A can of this will treat about 22 gallons (83 litres), raising the Research octane of low-octane unleaded (91-93 RON) by about 3-4 and 4-6 respectively for 104+ and 104+Super. With premium leaded and premium unleaded (95-98 RON), however, this boost effect decreases to 0.5-1 and 1-2 respectively with 104+ and 104+Super. The reduction in booster/pump fuel ratio may not cause the octane rating to progress in a linear manner."
http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Mi...s.htm
http://www.astm.org/cgi-bin/So...store
http://www.btinternet.com/~mad....htmlh ... m/...0.htm
Additing 4 -16 ounce bottles to 22 gallons of 87 octane could get you to 91-92 octane at about a 2.5% concentration.
20 cents x 22= $4.40, can you buy the stuff for $1.10 per 16 ounces or $8.80 per gallon including tax -----don't think so.
"MMT is ignored by refiners in the U.S. in favor of other antidetonants, mainly because it’s illegal in areas where RFG is required and a few refiners feel its long-term use might compromise engine life. MMT is shunned by car companies due to durability concerns about components in on-board diagnostic and emissions control systems and questioned by the EPA as a possible health hazard. Nevertheless, in 1995, MMT was allowed on the U.S. market with some restrictions after its manufacturer won a Federal court case against the EPA. At this writing almost no U.S. refiners add MMT to gasoline, but it is the key ingredient in a few canned octane boosters."