Obama video

[mtcookson]

Pretty good look at Obama that doesn't appear very radical and such:http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/...=2036

[telcoman]

Pretty good look at Obama that doesn't appear very radical and such:http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/...=2036

There is much misinformation being presented on Fox, They falsley claimed the "fist bump" had a terriorist meaning, and other unfounded garbage disguised as news? CNN and MSNBC present far superior coverage in my opinion. Check out the New York Times and Washington Post

Telcoman

[AZhitman]

There is much misinformation being presented on Fox, They falsley claimed the "fist bump" had a terriorist meaning

"They falsely claimed"? One anchor, who has since been sacked, said something retarded, and you're ready to discount the entire network?

You obviously didn't read what was said, or hear it for that matter.

And the NY Times has never reported anything erroneously or biased?

Who fist bumps their wife anyways? That's just freakin' weird.

[96Qowner]

FOX???

What does that video have to do with FOX? Besides, I'm curious, do you ever watch FOX news shows (Brit Hume, Fred Barnes, Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer), or only the entertainment ones (Hannity, Van Sustern, etc)?

You probably prefer CNN and MSNBC (which has the Olberman clown), because you agree with their politics, not their news coverage.

I like to get a balanced input of news, from both FOX and MSNBC. I can rarely stomach Hannity or Olberman, but Chris Matthews and Brit Hume's group are great.

Having said that, I think that video is just typical political extremism, with little value.

[AZhitman]

telco gets all jazzed when they tell him what to think...

Besides, I notice he prefers news sources that use small words and bright, primary colors.

[Cold_Zero]

I would also point out that FOX News has Juan Williams and Mara Liasson from the vast Right wing NPR (National Public Radio)!

The video is classic. The bit about Edwards taking Obama to task was great. Notice when the truth is pointed out Obama can not respond effectively.

I have said it before here and I cant emphasize it enough, the problem with Obama's church is liberation theology.

[smockers83]

The technicalities of conduct during the national anthem:

United States Code Title 36§301. National anthem; Star-Spangled Banner

a. The composition consisting of the words and music known as The Star-Spangled Banner is designated the national anthem of the United States of America.b. Conduct during playing — During rendition of the national anthem — 1. when the flag is displayed — A. all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart; B. men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and C. individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; and 2. when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

Very interesting information in that video, although to do the connect the dots thing might be stretching just a pinch, maybe.

[Cold_Zero]

This reminds me of something.My wife teaches in the inner city and one of the schools (not her school) the Principal makes the all children say the Black Pledge of Allegiance. No joke. So it doesn't shock me that Obama doesn't put his right hand over his heart and sing the National Anthem either.

[Repo Man]

There is much misinformation being presented on Fox, They falsley claimed the "fist bump" had a terriorist meaning, and other unfounded garbage disguised as news? CNN and MSNBC present far superior coverage in my opinion. Check out the New York Times and Washington Post

Telcoman

When and where did Fox News claim the fist bump had a terrorlst meaning? Where? I just want you to point that out and then MAYBE someone here can begin to think about taking anything you say seriously. The Times and Post are garbage.

You need to quit drinking the Kool Aid Telco.

[smockers83]

E.D. Hill was mentioning different ways people interpreted the fist bump on her show. She later clarified that it wasn't her interpretation. But whoever interpreted it that way is, in my mind, crazy.

[ishkabibble]

Besides, I'm curious, do you ever watch FOX news shows (Brit Hume, Fred Barnes, Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer), or only the entertainment ones (Hannity, Van Sustern, etc)?

They are all entertainment. You take Hume and Kristol seriously?

I like to get a balanced input of news, from both FOX and MSNBC.

That's like saying "I like a balanced diet; I eat both **** and crap."

I can't take anyone seriously who takes Fox news seriously, sorry. The network is little other than a propaganda machine for the neocons. There is almost no objectivity in their reporting.

Does the right have an equivalent of Talking Points Memo (a fact-based, reasonably objective blog)? I've been looking for one to balance out my reading, but Malkin, Hot Air, LGF are pretty venomous and lack substance. There is so little good journalism nowadays.

Repo apparently lives in a cave...

[skylndrftr]

When and where did Fox News claim the fist bump had a terrorlst meaning? Where? I just want you to point that out and then MAYBE someone here can begin to think about taking anything you say seriously. The Times and Post are garbage.

You need to quit drinking the Kool Aid Telco.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcy5XS68_Bc

and while we're in video mode...a classic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4WRajuaVnY

[skylndrftr]

This reminds me of something.My wife teaches in the inner city and one of the schools (not her school) the Principal makes the all children say the Black Pledge of Allegiance. No joke. So it doesn't shock me that Obama doesn't put his right hand over his heart and sing the National Anthem either.

Can you prove either or the two things you just claimed?

@smockers: she was the only person to say it. Noboy else has ever mentioned that she did this one totally on her own.

[AZhitman]

Repo apparently lives in a cave...

"They falsely claimed"? One anchor, who has since been sacked, said something retarded, and you're ready to discount the entire network?

I'm learning that the Left discounts ANY source that doesn't cater to their worldview, dismissing it as a "lack of good journalism".

[Cold_Zero]

Can you prove either or the two things you just claimed?

What that I am married and to a teacher?I think that Repoman, Elwesso, and the rest of the central midwest NICO club can probably attest to this fact.

[audtatious]

This reminds me of something.My wife teaches in the inner city and one of the schools (not her school) the Principal makes the all children say the Black Pledge of Allegiance.

What is the Black Pledge of Allegiance?

[Repo Man]

Repo apparently lives in a cave...

I have a lovely cave, ish. Just because you don't like Fox because they present a viewpoint other than yours doesn't mean they can't be taken seriously. If that was really the case, why have they been so successful over the years? Why do the blow ALL of the other cable news stations out of the water? I don't understand why the left is so scared of a dissenting opinion.

E.D. Hill was mentioning different ways people interpreted the fist bump on her show. She later clarified that it wasn't her interpretation. But whoever interpreted it that way is, in my mind, crazy.

My point exactly. Hill was reporting that someone had interpreted the fist bump that way, NOT that the fist bump was the equivalent of a "secret terrorlst handshake". There is a difference. I think the majority that hate Fox can't tell the difference often times.

Can you prove either or the two things you just claimed?

Bud is under no obligation to prove anything to you. However, he and I have been like brothers for twenty years and I assure you, he has no reason to lie to you and wouldn't do it anyway.

Guys, the bottom line is that regardless of what news source you get your information and opinion from, you MUST have your bull**** filter on. You have to be able to think for yourself and that is why I told telco to put the kool aid down. Don't just buy into what the talking head on the tv is telling you. Listen to opinions on both sides of an issue and make your own decision.

And ish, not that it makes any difference, but most of my news comes from the POTUS channel on XM. I watch Fox because Megyn Kelly is freaking HOT.

[audtatious]

The problem with all news agencies is that they simply don't report news. Every news article pretty much turns into an editorial because of the reporters viewpoint.

Everything should be taken with a grain of salt.

[smockers83]

@smockers: she was the only person to say it. Noboy else has ever mentioned that she did this one totally on her own.

What's your proof? Because she's the only one you heard say that? If she presented several interpretations, how could one person interpret an event in so many ways and call it all their official interpretation? I would have to imagine that some crazy, extreme conservative would make that interpretation. Even if no one actually did say it, it doesn't mean its her interpretation. What people do who have taken certain English and journalism classes is swing the pendulum to one side, an extreme side, then the pendulum comes to the opposite extreme side, and eventually ends up in the middle where the actual story is. Its quite an effective way to get people's attention and make something interesting.

[ishkabibble]

I'm learning that the Left discounts ANY source that doesn't cater to their worldview, dismissing it as a "lack of good journalism".

HUH? I bet I read more from both sides than you do.

You feel Fox is "good journalism" or something?

One anchor, who has since been sacked, said something retarded,

I would give your statement some weight if it were a talk show and ad-libbed. What was on the teleprompter when she was saying it? Did she type that in to the teleprompter herself? Did nobody in the organization except her know what was being said?

[ishkabibble]

I have a lovely cave, ish. Just because you don't like Fox because they present a viewpoint other than yours doesn't mean they can't be taken seriously. If that was really the case, why have they been so successful over the years? Why do the blow ALL of the other cable news stations out of the water? I don't understand why the left is so scared of a dissenting opinion.

Let's not try change the original reason for my comment... you unnecessarily attacked his credibility. Apparently everyone knows about said video except you.

I'm not the slightest bit scared of dissenting opinions. If I were, I wouldn't venture into this forum.

My point exactly. Hill was reporting that someone had interpreted the fist bump that way, NOT that the fist bump was the equivalent of a "secret terrorlst handshake". There is a difference. I think the majority that hate Fox can't tell the difference often times.

You spin me right round baby, right round...

I thought they were activating their Wonder Twin powers. How come she didn't report my interpretation?

[AZhitman]

HUH? I bet I read more from both sides than you do.

Quite possibly. You have quite a bit more free time than I, and mine is spent in the garage.

You feel Fox is "good journalism" or something?

What if I did? It's a subjective thing, one which cannot be quantified.

For the record, no - I don't.

BUT, let me qualify that. Follow the money... when you show me a news channel that's not funded by ad dollars, THEN I'll consider them an objective source (which to me, defines "good journalism"). Same with newspapers and magazines....

I would give your statement some weight if it were a talk show and ad-libbed. What was on the teleprompter when she was saying it? Did she type that in to the teleprompter herself? Did nobody in the organization except her know what was being said?

If you think that was a scripted comment, read from a teleprompter, there's no further discussion needed.

If you've ever been IN a newsroom, you'd know that about 50% of what the talking heads say is impromptu ad-lib. Only when they look into the camera are they reading (partially) from a prompter.

[ishkabibble]

Follow the money... when you show me a news channel that's not funded by ad dollars, THEN I'll consider them an objective source (which to me, defines "good journalism"). Same with newspapers and magazines....

I agree. Which is why I wish I could find a right-wing equivalent to TPM. Otherwise, I have to cull out a lot more BS.

I feel that there is a fairly objective measure of "good journalism". It's called reporting all of the facts surrounding a subject.

If you think that was a scripted comment, read from a teleprompter, there's no further discussion needed.

If you've ever been IN a newsroom, you'd know that about 50% of what the talking heads say is impromptu ad-lib. Only when they look into the camera are they reading (partially) from a prompter.

From the video and the way she is speaking, it certainly looks like it's being read.

[AZhitman]

I feel that there is a fairly objective measure of "good journalism". It's called reporting all of the facts surrounding a subject.

And that, my friend, is in short supply.

There's always some "leaning" to the reporting... It's not always terribly obvious, but it's the nature of communications to convey feelings associated with a given issue based on word choice, tone, and style.

We've grown accustomed to sound bites, Cliffs' Notes, and quickie McNews.

So, to fully EXPLORE all the facts and background on any given news story requires the consumer to do their own research and make up their own mind. Most people don't have the time, patience, intellect or energy for that, so our Quickie McNews is all we get.

[skylndrftr]

smockers,

seriously...dude...irrelevant of everythign else she did say it and if the filter between yoru brain and mouth is that garbled its time to take up a non-speaking position at work. /point

AZ, while noting what I said above, I don't think she has the intelligence to come up with that humor on her own. She was reading from the prompter. Notice how hackeneyed the rest of her comments are when she is[/] adlibbing or just bull****ting (i.e. her apology)

[AZhitman]

I don't disagree, but the end result was the same - She got canned.

We had a local 'caster get canned here several years ack... she was reporting on a fatal accident, in which drugs / alcohol were involved...

As she wrapped up, "back to you, John", her co-anchor said something to the effect of, "Thanks Jane. What a tragedy."

The camera was on her still, and she rolled her eyes.

Fired.

Outrage ensued, and the network got flak from both sides. Her "feelings" on the matter were made clear by simple body language... that it wasn't "a tragedy" but an avoidable and stupid act by someone who's probably best left out of the gene pool.

It happens.

p.s. FWIW, smocky, I didn't even see anything funny about Hill's comment. It was kinda dumb, actually. So, to credit her with "humor" implies some "universal funny", which I didn't get. At all.

[szh]

The problem with all news agencies is that they simply don't report news. Every news article pretty much turns into an editorial because of the reporters viewpoint.

Yes.

Everything should be taken with a grain of salt.

Yes, yes, YES!!!!

I find this to be a seriously disturbing problem in the news media today. Where is Walter Cronkite when we need him?

Z

[Looneybomber]

I'm not an Obama fan because he's too young and doesn't have military experience. Now, however, I dislike him even more. I don't want radicals in office, I like calm and conservative...So long as they don't try to take away our guns.

[smockers83]

Why is it garbage, because I challenged you? Did you watch the whole clip and interview? She started with somewhat normal interpretations and threw the terrorlst one in there, swinging the pendulum to its max, the extreme side. Its not intended to be funny or anything. Its done to get people's attention. Speakers do it all the time. But maybe I should explain it a little more. You have the central issue and you go out to one extreme, pushing the pendulum out. You let it go and the pendulum goes to the opposite extreme. Eventually it comes back to the central issue. But she pushed it to an extreme and the rest of the story with the interview came back to the central issue. I was taught this method in my freshman English class in college--saw it many writings and had to watch speakers do it, too. I'm not saying what she said was the right thing to say, I'm just saying that method to draw attention is used.

*edit* Another example of this pendulum usage is Michael Moore.
Modified by smockers83 at 3:08 PM 7/5/2008

[Repo Man]

Let's not try change the original reason for my comment... you unnecessarily attacked his credibility. Apparently everyone knows about said video except you.

You can call it spin all you want, but saying that Fox News reported the fist bump had some kind of terrorlst meaning and goofy-*** E.D. Hill making a stupid comment is NOT the same thing. You missed my point entirely. I'll try and make it more lucid for you next time.