Obama Sued in Philadelphia Federal Court

[96Qowner]

I suggest we delete Bob's mistaken post and everything after it.

[WDRacing]

Umm...no.

[wingFeather]

the "case" is weak

It is The news mentions that his birth certificate was tested by multiple professionals & found to be a fake. Not to mention becoming a non-US citizen when he moved.

You're saying that these are all outright lies?

[srellim234]

What news organization? Which "professionals?

Here's what FactCheck.org has to say about the birth certificate.

http://www.factcheck.org/elect....html

PolitiFact.com came to pretty much the same conclusion after starting out with a lot of questions and doubts.

http://www.politifact.com/trut...rt-ii/

[mtcookson]

Err... I keep seeing a lot of mention of a "birth certificate"... that is not a "birth certificate". That is a Certificate of Live Birth so its not quite the same. Should still kind of show that he was born in Hawaii but quite a few people still want to see his true Birth Certificate as well as other documentation like the U.S. Oath of Allegiance that is required to regain citizenship status in case he did indeed lose his citizenship in the past.

[srellim234]

What was the difference between the two certificates in Hawaii 45+ years ago? Did Hawaii issue a birth certificate that said "Birth Certificate" on it or were they all "Certificates of Live Birth"? If so, what is the criteria that Hawaii used to issue one or the other back in the early '60s? I find nothing on the Hawaii state website about it.

[ishkabibble]

This suit has about as much merit as suing John McCain for treason for his actions in Vietnam.

[wingFeather]

Right... because Obama can do no wrong. I seriously doubt you guys READ anything about Obama. Too busy attacking the other side.

Read & weep:http://www.americasright.com/2....html

a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts

Stanley Ann Dunham--Obama's mother--gave birth to little Barack in Kenya

even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed "natural born," that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia

GAME OVER

[ishkabibble]

Right... because Obama can do no wrong. I seriously doubt you guys READ anything about Obama. Too busy attacking the other side.

Me? I've stated repeatedly that I'm not supporting Obama in this election.

Nice subtle personal attack, though.

[audtatious]

I did find the following online that goes over citizenship:

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

* Anyone born inside the United States * Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe * Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S. * Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national * Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year * Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21 * Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time) * A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

He being born outside the US doesn't mean he is not a citizen based on the above. I thought there was a clause about dual-citizenship tho.

[mtcookson]

* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

There's a claim out there that this one won't hold true for Obama as the law listed is supposed to cover people after November 13, 1986 from what I understand.

"U.S. law at the time of his birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for '10 years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16."

That law was in effect from Dec. 24, 1952 to Nov. 13, 1986 and Barack was born in 1961 which puts him within that part of the law.

The problem there, people state, is that his mother was 18 when he was born and therefore doesn't meet the requirement of 5 years after the age of 16.

What was the difference between the two certificates in Hawaii 45+ years ago? Did Hawaii issue a birth certificate that said "Birth Certificate" on it or were they all "Certificates of Live Birth"? If so, what is the criteria that Hawaii used to issue one or the other back in the early '60s? I find nothing on the Hawaii state website about it.

People state that the birth certificate should have other simple information like the hospital he was born at, birth weight, etc. which that Certificate of Live Birth does not have on it. The guy filing the suit wants Obama to produce a "vault copy" of his birth certificate that is certified by the Vital Statistics Bureau in Hawaii among many other things for proof of his citizenship. I think someone posted a link to the America's Right website above showing a list of what Berg wants.

[szh]

He being born outside the US doesn't mean he is not a citizen based on the above.

Correct, I agree. FWIW, I think this particular hoopla about Obama is just not worth arguing about. His mother was a natural US citizen, and he is a natural US citizen ... we, and everybody else, need to move on to the real issues in the campaigns.

I thought there was a clause about dual-citizenship tho.

No. The US disallowed dual-citizenship for a long time - the act of applying for citizenship in another country meant that you had "renounced" the US one. However, this created problems who became citizens after a naturalization process - they did not actively seek the other country citizenship (they were already citizens of that other country). The specific law/guide was not clear on this issue.

So, informally, the State Department, for many many years, took the view of "don't fight it" since it was not clear. Some years back (mid-nineties?), they decided that this informally policy had, in fact, become the de facto standard. There are now specific documents at the State Department web site recognizing this resolution.

Thus, it is now completely fine to hold dual-citizenship. To lose your US citizenship, you have to declare allegiance to another nation, and formally renounce it in a US embassy abroad (some form has to be filled out and given to the embassy).

The most infamous one I can think of is Lee Harvey Oswald, when he defected to the USSR and formally renounced his US citizenship in Moscow. Later, he came back and was allowed to regain his US citizenship. Most unfortunate (given that I am assuming he was indeed JFK's killer)!

Z

[audtatious]

So, this is still going on and has been expanded to include lawsuits in 8 states now.

http://peoplespassions.org/peo...2.htm

"Philip Berg’s months-long lawsuit in Federal Court in Philadelphia reached a dramatic plateau yesterday as Mr. Obama and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) failed to respond to the court that Mr. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen and therefore not qualified to run for office of President of the U.S. They admitted to Obama’s non-qualification by their failure to respond to a 30-day court ordered discovery in which Obama and the DNC were ordered to answer a petition by Berg. Berg is a lifelong Democrat in the Pennsylvania Democratic Party who has sought to ratchet up the legal pressure as Obama and the DNC has continually delayed providing certifying documentation of Obama’s birth, which he claims to have been in Hawaii."

While they have not admitted anything by not responding I do wonder why they have simply not shown proof to the courts and had this dismissed?

[Cold_Zero]

Michael Savage was contemplating that the reason why Obama was going to Hawaii was to tie this lawsuit up. Something about leaving the race two weeks left in a major race and trying to find something in Grandma's house that proves he is a citizen. Not sure if I buy that since I tend to believe Obama's story that he is going to visit grandma.

What is wrong with releasing his birth certificate? I know where mine is, right now. You know if this is not resolved and he takes office this will be a major legal issue that everyone will focus on in his Presidency. Why not put this baby to rest so we don't have to hear it all over the cable news networks and internet that he may not be legally able to discharge the duties of the President of the United States.

[audtatious]

Yeah, I just don't know what he or the DNC have to gain by not taking care of this.

Another update:http://www.newmediajournal.us/...8.htm

[sensibleS13driver]

Every search I do for that comes up with shady blogs and sources saying a petition was filed, not that the Hawaii SC will rule on the case.

Finding an article that doesn't have a typo in the headline helps too. (I am actually interested in learning about this, just haven't found anything legitimate to back up the story )

[audtatious]

They have information within MSNBC and CNN blogs and such but the MSM is not covering this as a whole. Why, I'm not sure. The court cases are real from what I can see.

[AZhitman]

All partisanship aside, I agree - Why WOULDN'T you wrap this up, slam-dunk it in the face of the GOP and say, "Thanks for playing, chumps."

[Vista Sucks!]

Most likely because they don't care and have other things to do. They know this is just a distraction.

[sensibleS13driver]

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[audtatious]

I agree. I just find it interesting that it has gone this far without the DNC or Obama shutting them all up.

http://www.snopes.com/politics...e.asp

Snopes does make a comment about the lawsuit at the bottom of the above.

[mtcookson]

Addressing it gives it too much legitimacy and risks getting wider news coverage and spooking some swing voters, regardless of the final outcome.

I would think not addressing it in this case would be worse...

According to Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, a party upon whom requests for admissions have been served must respond, within 30 days, or else the matters in the requests will be automatically deemed conclusively admitted for purposes of the pending action.

This site seems to have some pretty good info and is keeping good track of what is going on: http://www.americasright.com

I've actually been keeping an eye on this for a while myself and was curious why it hadn't showed up here yet.

Also, here's an interesting video of an interview with Berg: http://sayanythingblog.com/ent...ction/

All partisanship aside, I agree - Why WOULDN'T you wrap this up, slam-dunk it in the face of the GOP and say, "Thanks for playing, chumps."

Actually... I don't think this is a GOP deal. I'm quite positive Berg is probably on the Clinton's side, being a democrat. Of course, it definitely would not benefit the GOP if the accusations did turn out to be false and that he is truly eligible.

[sensibleS13driver]

I'm quite positive Berg is probably on his own side, being a trial lawyer.

He's getting so much free press for this regardless of how it fizzles out.

[mtcookson]

Actually, I have to disagree. I've hardly seen anything over the whole deal, especially on TV where he would get a huge amount of free press.

[audtatious]

The delay tactics by the DNC/Obama are strange. The more they wait the more potential truth of the matter there is. So, if he isn't a NBC and it comes out after he is elected does that mean we are stuck with Biden as President until he can be thrown out for Pelosi to take control? That's scary in it's own right.

[AZhitman]

That's not such a bad thing.

As I said before, I'd take Biden over BO any day.

Pelosi, on the other hand? I'm buying that chunk of land in Belize and getting the hell out.

[Cold_Zero]

The delay tactics by the DNC/Obama are strange.

Yes, both parties are very savvy in shutting down, people, accusations and lawsuits that hurt their candidate. It seems weird that the DNC haven't sent out the dogs to handle this.bud

[wingFeather]

[ishkabibble]

Made that yourself, did you?

[wingFeather]

Made that yourself, did you?

That is the same thing investigators said when Obama presented his "birth certificate"