Obama says he was too flip on abortion issue ...

[szh]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26593948/

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[wingFeather]

I wonder what his spiritual leader would tell us about BHO's real opinion on abortion

I found this interersting (from the linked article):"I'm prepared as a matter of faith to accept that life begins at the moment of conception. But that is my judgment," Biden said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "For me to impose that judgment on everyone else who is equally and maybe even more devout than I am seems to me is inappropriate in a pluralistic society."

Okay, so there are legal issues concerning abortion and Biden/Obama won't clearly define the law on abortion? Somebody has to do it. That is what we're paying them for... "Thanks for hiring me to answer questions, but I cannot answer questions."
Modified by wingFeather at 2:13 PM 9/8/2008

[96Qowner]

This is exactly why Obama should have waited until 2016 to run for President. He's done this over and over and over. He still hasn't defined his principles and is constantly having to refine them on the fly. Besides, if he stayed in the Senate another 8 years, he could try to accomplish something, for once in his life -THEN run for President.

[rn79870]

Wouldn't it be great if all politicans admitted to mistakes instead of smiling at us and telling us something we knew was incorrect. If they were all like that, it would be change for the better.

[Jimefam]

He is not changing his principles. He didn't go from pro-choice to pro-life, he is merely admitting that his answer that it is above his paygrade was not definitive enough. When he said it some people had complained that he dodged the question but that question was simply a poor question. "When does life begin?" is a scientific question and MAYBE a theological one and he is not qualifed to correctly answer either. Mccain can safely answer "at the moment of conception" but that is simply because that is an easy ? for him as that is what his people want to hear regardless of if its based in fact or not. People are so quick here to take a statement and turn it into something its not for political gain its disgusting . Obama has been and will be pro-choice that was not the ? though.

[Jimefam]

I wonder what his spiritual leader would tell us about BHO's real opinion on abortion

I found this interersting (from the linked article):"I'm prepared as a matter of faith to accept that life begins at the moment of conception. But that is my judgment," Biden said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "For me to impose that judgment on everyone else who is equally and maybe even more devout than I am seems to me is inappropriate in a pluralistic society."

Okay, so there are legal issues concerning abortion and Biden/Obama won't clearly define the law on abortion? Somebody has to do it. That is what we're paying them for... "Thanks for hiring me to answer questions, but I cannot answer questions."

Modified by wingFeather at 2:13 PM 9/8/2008

Reading comprehension on this board must suck. There is no question of abortion in there. The ? was when does life begin. Biden said that in his faith he is taught it begins at conception but since he is not a member of the religious right he doesn't feel entitled to impose his religion on everyone else. Therefore while he may feel personally abortion is wrong due to him being a catholic and the pope saying it is a sin, he will not tell someone else they must follow his doctrine. HE is pro-choice.

[HashiriyaS14]

This is exactly why Obama should have waited until 2016 to run for President. He's done this over and over and over. He still hasn't defined his principles and is constantly having to refine them on the fly. Besides, if he stayed in the Senate another 8 years, he could try to accomplish something, for once in his life -THEN run for President.

Honestly, I'll admit that I agree with this. I think he should have waited until 2012 or 2016. It would have made him much more unassailable and I think that Hillary would've had an easier time winning the general election this go around.

That doesn't mean that I'm going to vote for McCain, but yeah, I think he would've been better suited by waiting awhile.

Ultimately, both candidates are changing their opinions "on the fly". McCain was pro-choice a few years ago and now he's pro-life just in time to be the GOP nominee, that's how politics work, but independent of all this inevitable flip-flopping on both sides, I think Obama would've been a shoe-in in 4 or 8 years, wherein now it'll be hella close.

[wingFeather]

The ? was when does life begin.

Dear sir, my reading comprehension is just fine.

Would you deny that concern about when life legally begins... and abortion, are not hand-in-hand? Why be concerned with defining such a legality, if not for abortion? You have to "comprehend" that abortion is the underlying issue... or is my reading comprehension so advanced that I'm able to read between the lines?

[rn79870]

THIS thread is fair as long as it addresses the issue of Obama's comment and whether he has/is changing his position on the issue.

DISCUSSIONS OF WHEN LIFE BEGINS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE (they become religious) and will be deleted.

[szh]

Wouldn't it be great if all politicans admitted to mistakes instead of smiling at us and telling us something we knew was incorrect. If they were all like that, it would be change for the better.

Wouldn't it be great if WE in this forum did the same thing!

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[The Wicker Man]

Wouldn't it be great if WE in this forum did the same thing!

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who's we?

[Jimefam]

THIS thread is fair as long as it addresses the issue of Obama's comment and whether he has/is changing his position on the issue.

DISCUSSIONS OF WHEN LIFE BEGINS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE (they become religious) and will be deleted.

The question of when life begins is really a scientific question but whatever.

And yes that question does have a bearing on the legality of abortion but it is not a question that either one of those men have the ability to answer.You said:

wonder what his spiritual leader would tell us about BHO's real opinion on abortion.

As if his real opinion was not known or he was somehow changing it in that interview. The FACT is obama is pro-choice and that has not come into question. You attempt to make it seems as if he did so that you can accuse him of being a flip flopper. The funny thing is I dont really give a damn about obama or mccain I wanted ron paul to win. But the way you people ignore facts and spin things towards whatever way you lean is why I try to clarify things. And I do it for mccain too when he or palin are taken out of context.

[wingFeather]

who's we?

Who are you? LOL

The humans who post here, who have made mistakes at some point in there life (ie- EVERY BODY).

[szh]

who's we?

All of us ... you included. In this forum. Was it not clear?

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[The Wicker Man]

Nope, since I just signed up.

[szh]

Nope, since I just signed up.

In that case, if you have not already done so, I suggest you read this please, before you post any more. It is from the top sticky in this forum:

zerothread/320940

EDIT: thread linked in instead.

[The Wicker Man]

please, next time just link me.

[szh]

please, next time just link me.

Point taken. Here you go:

zerothread/320940

Please go read it.

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[The Wicker Man]

well, that was quite redundant.

[szh]

well, that was quite redundant.

Are you trolling? You asked for the link, so I acknowledged your comment and put it in there nicely for you.

If you can't behave yourself, please leave ... now.

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[The Wicker Man]

Trolling? I said post it next time since you already quoted it.

[AZhitman]

If our Moderator won't take care of your petty and useless non-contributory posts, I will.

Last caution.

Thanks.

[The Wicker Man]

How am I not contributing?

[szh]

Trolling? I said post it next time since you already quoted it.

Your attitude is antagonistic and petty. Please try to be more polite.

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[96Qowner]

How am I not contributing?

Do you usually post new information you've found, for the rest of us to read? Do you actually search the web to learn a subject, and use what you've found to back up what you say?

Or do you prefer to primarily make wisecracks? Wisecracks are fine, once you've established some credibility. This particular thread, for instance, doesn't do much for your credibility.