Obama lies

[audtatious]

“The March on Selma got me born.” -- Senator Obama was born August 4th, 1961. The march on Selma began March 7th, 1965

“My father was just a simple, impoverished goat herder.”-- Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was a privileged, well educated youth, who’s tribal family owned and controlled all tribal land.

“My father believed in the ‘power of the people’. I believe in the ‘power of the people’.”-- Senator Obama has often stated that his ‘father’s attributes’ are ones that he has sought in his own life. Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was part of a corrupt Kenyan government in the 1960s. He believed in taking land from it’s owners and taxation up to 100%, ‘if benefits’ were ‘commensurate to their income’.

"My family has strong ties to ‘African freedom’.”-- Raila Odinga committed genocide while attempting to overturn the 2007 Kenyan elections. Senator Obama and Raila Odinga are first cousins.

“President Kennedy rescued my father from Kenyan obscurity and airlifted him to the American Dream.”-- Senator Obama’s father came in September 1960, while EISENHOWER was President.

“My Kenyan Grandmother has always been a Christian.”-- Senator Obama’s Grandmother’s own interviews contradict this statement.

“My first name (Barack) is not Arabic - it is Swahili.”-- Senator Obama’s name is Arabic in origin, not Swahili.

“I never practiced Islam.”-- Senator Obama practiced Islam daily at Meteng Primary school, where he was registered as a Muslim.

“My school in Indonesia was Christian.”-- Senator Obama was registered as a Muslim at Meteng Primary School. The school offered Christian classes as well. Barry Soetoro did not attend them. He later spent 2 years in a Catholic school.

“I am fluent in Indonesian.”-- Not one teacher says that Senator Obama could speak the language at the time.

“I lived in Indonesia. I have more foreign experience than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain.”-- Senator Obama lived in Indonesia from the ages of 6 to 10

“My foreign travels and life experience better qualify me to address our nation’s closest Allies.”-- Except for Africa and Middle Eastern Muslim countries, Senator Obama has never been anywhere else in the world.

“I was ethnically confused, that is why I used drugs.”-- Fellow classmates describe racial tensions and meetings discussing such issues. Barry Obama was not in attendance. Dreams From My Father, pages 93-94.

“I understand what it is to be an African American.”-- Senator Obama is not African American according to U.S. Law. Senator Obama is an Arab-American according to U.S. Law

“I was an underprivileged youth.”-- Senator Obama attended prep schools and later on went to Harvard Law. His Grandparents were wealthy bankers and his Step-father was an Oil Executive. His mother was also a P.H.D.

“An Ebony article changed my life.”-- Ebony has yet to “find” the article Senator Obama mentions in his book. The FACT is that It doesn’t, and never has, existed.

“A Life magazine article changed my outlook on life.”-- Life has yet to find the article that Senator Obama mentions in his book. The FACT is that it doesn’t, and has never existed.

“I will NOT run on a National Ticket in 2008 because I won’t have enough experience by then.”-- Senator Obama announced his intent to run for President of the United States in February, 2007.

“I do not vote ‘Present’ any more than any other IL Representative.”-- While ‘Present’ votes may not be unusual in Illinois, the number of ‘Present’ votes that Senator Obama placed ARE disproportionate.

Oops, “I ‘misvoted’ a couple times in the Illinois State House.”-- Only when caught by church groups and fellow Democrats, did Senator Obama request to change his half dozen “misvotes” in the Illinois State House.

“I barely know William Ayers” – A.K.A. – Abu Zayd-- Senator Obama announced the start of his Senate campaign from the front steps of William Ayers’ home, in the neighborhood that they share.

“I support a 2nd Amendment right to bear arms.”-- Stated “Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions.” (Jul 1998), Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers (Jul 2005)

“I Was A Constitutional Lawyer”-- Senator Obama was a senior lecturer on leave of absence. He has never practiced Constitutional Law, nor ever obtained any such ‘title’

“I Was A Professor Of Law.”-- Senator Obama was NEVER a Professor of Law, nor a Constitutional Lawyer.

“An Army Captain came to me and told me his company was divided and short of ammo.” -- The Captain in question gave specific details about the situation, all of which contradicted Senator Obama’s claims.

“I passed a tough Nuclear Bill. I am strong on Nuclear Regulation.”-- The Bill did not pass, primarily because there was very little nuclear regulation in it. This could be attributed to the fact that the nuclear power company, Exelon, has been a donor to all of Senator Obama’s campaigns thus far.

“I quickly released my financial and legislative records, because I have no special interest connections to hide.”-- Senator Obama took 13 months to release his [incomplete] records, while calling for months for his opponents to release theirs during the same period.

“I have the solutions to repair our economy.”-- Senator Obama voted against his own economic proposal package. Senator Obama’s 111 economic proposals were just combined into an amendment to a bill, and the amendment was defeated 97-0. Senator Obama rejected his own proposals; apparently, they were not the solutions or ‘fresh ideas’ he was speaking about.

“I have been a bold leader in Illinois.”-- The Senator’s own supporters cannot recall any ‘Bold’ action on his part. The only bill notable was concerning taping police interrogations, since most police forces tape their interrogations it was far from bold. Missing or refusing to vote on bills 129 times does not further the argument of ‘bold’ action either.

“I barely know Tony Rezko. I did about 5 hours of billed work for him.”-- Has knows Rezko for 18 years, since 1990. After elected, he crafted a letter to the legislature that ultimately secured $855,000 in ‘development fees’ to Rezko.

“I have never met Nadhmi Auchi.”-- Recent testimony in the Rezko Trial has placed Senator Obama and his wife at a party where Mr. Auchi was in attendance.

“I don’t have ‘bundlers’ and I don’t take PAC money.”-- Senator Obama has 79 bundlers and has collected over $13,000,000 in lobbyist PAC money

“I don’t take money from lobbyists.”-- At least 38 Individuals on Senator Obama’s campaign are or work for lobbyists.

“I don’t take money from oil companies.”-- According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Senator Obama has taken nearly $250,000 from oil companies

“I have clean connections, unlike my opponents and most of Washington.”-- Rezko, William Ayers (Abu-Zayd), Nadmi Auchi, Rashid Khalidi, Jeremiah Wright, James Meeks, Louis Farrakhan, Black Panthers, etc

“Unlike Senator Clinton, my donations have been thoroughly checked.”-- Senator Obama took donations from arrested Bundler, Norman Hsu (as did Clinton) and Antoin Tony Rezko. Rezko is currently on trial for corruption

“I only discovered I had investment conflicts through the mail.”-- Senator Obama’s investment conflicts were not brought to his attention by mail. Skyterra and AVI never sent letters to Senator Obama

“I sponsored dozens of my own bills in one year and passed them in the Illinois State Senate.”-- State Senator Ricky Hendon ‘appointed’ Obama as sponsor of Hendon’s high-profile legislation. Not one of those Bills was truly sponsored by Senator Obama

“I believe in fairness, not tactics, to win elections.”-- Senator Obama hired a team of investigators to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against him.

“I cleaned up the Altgeld Gardens Asbestos case.”-- Senator Obama failed to mention the many others who assisted and had taken the lead in solving this problem.

“I inspire people with my words.”-- Obama inspires people with other people’s words. It’s called plagiarizing.

“No one from my campaign discussed NAFTA with anyone in Canada.”-- The Canadian Government issued the names and details of the conversation Senator Obama’s campaign had with them.

“I won Michigan!”-- Senator Obama removed his name from the ballot after horrible poll numbers showed he would lose big. He later attempted to get voters to choose Uncommitted as a way of showing their support for him; Senator Clinton beat everyone on and off the ballot 55% to 40%.

“I won Nevada.”-- Senator Clinton won Nevada 51% to 45% over Senator Obama

“I believe in every vote counting. I support the people’s vote as their voice.”-- Senator Obama stalled on revote options in Michigan and Florida, until it was too late to hold any revote.

“I didn’t run ads in Florida.”-- Senator Obama allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and still lost by nearly 300,000 votes. One phone call could have stopped the ads. He left them to run.

“My campaign was extorted by a friend!”-- Old classmate Keith Kakugawa was “infuriated” by the charge and flatly denied it.

“My campaign didn’t do the “1984” hate ad against Clinton. We didn’t have the capabilities or the inclination.”-- His own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple laptop, in one afternoon.

“I have sponsored and passed plenty of Bills in the U.S. Senate. I have experience.”-- You have passed 2 BILLs in the U.S. Senate – one for Africa and one that makes lobbyists stand while they eat.

“I am tough on Terrorism!”-- Senator Obama’s friends include Louis Farrakhan, Rashid Khalidi, Nadhmi Auchi, and Ali Abunimah, most support Palestinian terrorism and the destruction of Israel.

“I respect the office of the President. I will do everything I can to uphold it’s honor and integrity.”-- Senator Obama’s campaign has secretly discussed NAFTA and has legitimized the FARC terrorlst organization, outside of the public’s knowledge and before the Senator has won the election.

“I am stronger on the issue of the Iraq than either Senator Clinton or Senator McCain.”-- Senator Obama has voted for every single Iraq bill since taking office. With many Iraqi millionaires donating to Senator Obama’s campaign, perhaps they have been promised something once U.S. forces leave.

“I have always supported Universal Health Care.”-- Senator Obama’s mandate for health care coverage applies only to children. Once they are adults then can opt out of buying health care. Any emergency room visits or other health service costs they cannot afford will be passed onto the tax payers of America. His plan is no where near Universal.

“I don’t have to show my patriotism to be patriotic. A pin on my lapel is not important.”-- Senator is often the only person on stage, at the playing of the National Anthem, that has his hands clasped in front of him and not over his heart. He usually (almost never) refuses to wear a flag pin, even when on Capitol Hill.

“My wife’s pay raise was deserved. She is the Vice President of U of C hospital.”-- Senator Obama’s wife’s pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated salary as one of 13 VP’s U of C Hospital has on staff. Her raise was less then 1 month after her husband won his senate seat.

“My wife’s words were taken out of context. She didn’t mean she has never been proud of America.”-- Senator Obama's wife’s comments were complete and fully in context. She has never been proud of America until now – those were her words and follow lock-step in the vein of Wright and Farrakhan.

“Senator Clinton was a corporate lawyer for Wal-Mart. I would not associate myself with Wal-Mart.-- Senator Obama’s wife has received nearly a quarter of a million dollars in compensation from Wal-Mart supplier Treehouse.

“My church is not particularly controversial.”-- Senator Obama’s church claims AIDS was manufactured by the US Government to kill Black people and Jesus was a supporter of slavery (among other things).

"I disagree with my church all the time. Rev. Wright is like an Uncle to me and you can’t choose family."-- Senator Obama continues to donate large sums of money to Trinity Church. This helps spread the churches’ message.

“I never heard sermons at Trinity like those being played on Youtube and by the mainstream media.”-- Senator Obama said he had never heard sermons that contained anything like what the mainstream media and Youtube were playing ‘on every station’. 3 days later, in his own speech, he stated ““Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.”

“People are out to get me because I am trying to change Washington. My passport files were looked into illegally.”-- Senator Obama’s own Campaign Foreign Policy Adviser is the CEO of the company that looked into the passport records.

“Rev. Meeks is not involved in my campaign.”-- Rev. Meeks appeared in ads for the Senator’s Senate Campaign, and continues to raise money for him during his Presidential run.

“I have the best plan to cure the Mortgage crisis.”-- Senator Obama’s Finance Chair on his Presidential campaign is Penny Prizker, one of the architects of the Subprime Lending Scheme.

“I am running a clean campaign, high on hope and free of negative attacks.”-- Senator Obama’s campaign had launched over 206 media attacks on Senator Clinton alone.

“I was being honest when I used the term ‘typical white people’, not racist.”-- If one cannot say ‘typical black people’ without being labeled racist, then the reverse is likewise racist.

“My campaign donations are from millions of average people {bitter, typical white people too?}. We are winning in a new way, without corporate influence, or special interests.”-- The implication is that special interests, corporations, banks, and industry donations are not accepted. Nothing could be further from the truth.

“I am NOT the most liberal Senator in the U.S. Senate.”-- Senator Obama ranked as the number one Liberal in the Senate based on his consistent voting record.

Weeeeeee

[AZhitman]

“My wife’s words were taken out of context. She didn’t mean she has never been proud of America.”-- Senator Obama's wife’s comments were complete and fully in context. She has never been proud of America until now – those were her words and follow lock-step in the vein of Wright and Farrakhan.

She was just parroting his blather. I don't recall him claiming he's proud to be an American... Quite the contrary. See my "Merci" thread to read how embarrassed he is, in fact.

[rn79870]

“The March on Selma got me born.” Senator Obama was born August 4th, 1961. The march on Selma began March 7th, 1965

I read that sentence several ways, perhaps you’re being literal when he’s speaking figuratively.

“My father was just a simple, impoverished goat herder.”Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was a privileged, well educated youth, who’s tribal family owned and controlled all tribal land.

Again, you’re taking an analogy as figurative speech. Shame on you.

“My father believed in the ‘power of the people’. I believe in the ‘power of the people’.”Senator Obama has often stated that his ‘father’s attributes’ are ones that he has sought in his own life. Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was part of a corrupt Kenyan government in the 1960s. He believed in taking land from it’s owners and taxation up to 100%, ‘if benefits’ were ‘commensurate to their income’.

This is a far stretch and unworthy of comment.

"My family has strong ties to ‘African freedom’.”Raila Odinga committed genocide while attempting to overturn the 2007 Kenyan elections. Senator Obama and Raila Odinga are first cousins.

I imagine that there is more to his family than one renegade cousin. Again, is this your best shot?

“President Kennedy rescued my father from Kenyan obscurity and airlifted him to the American Dream.”Senator Obama’s father came in September 1960, while EISENHOWER was President.

And Kennedy was elected some 2 months later. Kennedy is referred to as president even for events that preceded his presidency.

“My Kenyan Grandmother has always been a Christian.”-- Senator Obama’s Grandmother’s own interviews contradict this statement.

And I’m to attach some value to this? Perhaps he’s speaking of philosophy.

“My first name (Barack) is not Arabic - it is Swahili.”Senator Obama’s name is Arabic in origin, not Swahili.

Quit it, we’re smarter than that. Do I care what he thinks the origion of his name is.

“I never practiced Islam.”Senator Obama practiced Islam daily at Meteng Primary school, where he was registered as a Muslim.

Primary school. Crap, Matt, seriously, did he have a choice? See next question.

“My school in Indonesia was Christian.”Senator Obama was registered as a Muslim at Meteng Primary School. The school offered Christian classes as well. Barry Soetoro did not attend them. He later spent 2 years in a Catholic school.

Christian classes = a Christian school. Weak, very weak.

“I am fluent in Indonesian.”Not one teacher says that Senator Obama could speak the language at the time.

And that proves exactly what?

“I lived in Indonesia. I have more foreign experience than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain.”-- Senator Obama lived in Indonesia from the ages of 6 to 10

And how long did Clinton or McCain live there?

“My foreign travels and life experience better qualify me to address our nation’s closest Allies.”-- Except for Africa and Middle Eastern Muslim countries, Senator Obama has never been anywhere else in the world.

What about Indonesia?

“I was ethnically confused, that is why I used drugs.”Fellow classmates describe racial tensions and meetings discussing such issues. Barry Obama was not in attendance. Dreams From My Father, pages 93-94.

And of course, ethnically confused requires attendance at such a meeting. Right.

“I understand what it is to be an African American.”-- Senator Obama is not African American according to U.S. Law. Senator Obama is an Arab-American according to U.S. Law

That a good one. Let’s let US law tell us our ancestry. That is almost funny.

“I was an underprivileged youth.”Senator Obama attended prep schools and later on went to Harvard Law. His Grandparents were wealthy bankers and his Step-father was an Oil Executive. His mother was also a P.H.D

Your source is so educated s/he doesn’t even know what a PhD is. (P.H.D) Again, the matter is relative. You’re taking things out of context..

“An Ebony article changed my life.”Ebony has yet to “find” the article Senator Obama mentions in his book. The FACT is that It doesn’t, and never has, existed.

It’s impossible to prove a negative. Ebony probably hasn’t found a UFO either, but that’s not proof that they don’t exist.

“A Life magazine article changed my outlook on life.”Life has yet to find the article that Senator Obama mentions in his book. The FACT is that it doesn’t, and has never existed.

This one is even better given that Life hasn’t been around for more years than McCain has been in the Senate.

“I will NOT run on a National Ticket in 2008 because I won’t have enough experience by then.”Senator Obama announced his intent to run for President of the United States in February, 2007.

Obviously his supporters believe in him and his experience.

“I do not vote ‘Present’ any more than any other IL Representative.”While ‘Present’ votes may not be unusual in Illinois, the number of ‘Present’ votes that Senator Obama placed ARE disproportionate.

Oops, “I ‘misvoted’ a couple times in the Illinois State House.”Only when caught by church groups and fellow Democrats, did Senator Obama request to change his half dozen “misvotes” in the Illinois State House.

Wow, a politician that changes his mind. Amazing.

“I barely know William Ayers” – A.K.A. – Abu Zayd-- Senator Obama announced the start of his Senate campaign from the front steps of William Ayers’ home, in the neighborhood that they share.

I barely know my neighbors too. Another fine point that proves nothing.

“I support a 2nd Amendment right to bear arms.”-- Stated “Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions.” (Jul 1998), Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers (Jul 2005)

I’ll bet he’s agains a private citizen owning a machine gun too.

“I Was A Constitutional Lawyer”Senator Obama was a senior lecturer on leave of absence. He has never practiced Constitutional Law, nor ever obtained any such ‘title’

All lawyers practice constitutional law. The constitution is woven into all legal practice.

“I Was A Professor Of Law.”-- Senator Obama was NEVER a Professor of Law, nor a Constitutional Lawyer.

Check with Univ of Chicago. He was a professor, or, a lecturer in con law.

“An Army Captain came to me and told me his company was divided and short of ammo.” The Captain in question gave specific details about the situation, all of which contradicted Senator Obama’s claims.

Hahahaha. That is the product of a losing side grasping for straws.

“I passed a tough Nuclear Bill. I am strong on Nuclear Regulation.”The Bill did not pass, primarily because there was very little nuclear regulation in it. This could be attributed to the fact that the nuclear power company, Exelon, has been a donor to all of Senator Obama’s campaigns thus far.

Out of context. Check it out.

“I quickly released my financial and legislative records, because I have no special interest connections to hide.”-- Senator Obama took 13 months to release his [incomplete] records, while calling for months for his opponents to release theirs during the same period.

“I have the solutions to repair our economy.”-- Senator Obama voted against his own economic proposal package. Senator Obama’s 111 economic proposals were just combined into an amendment to a bill, and the amendment was defeated 97-0. Senator Obama rejected his own proposals; apparently, they were not the solutions or ‘fresh ideas’ he was speaking about.

“I have been a bold leader in Illinois.”-- The Senator’s own supporters cannot recall any ‘Bold’ action on his part. The only bill notable was concerning taping police interrogations, since most police forces tape their interrogations it was far from bold. Missing or refusing to vote on bills 129 times does not further the argument of ‘bold’ action either.

“I barely know Tony Rezko. I did about 5 hours of billed work for him.”-- Has knows Rezko for 18 years, since 1990. After elected, he crafted a letter to the legislature that ultimately secured $855,000 in ‘development fees’ to Rezko.

“I have never met Nadhmi Auchi.”-- Recent testimony in the Rezko Trial has placed Senator Obama and his wife at a party where Mr. Auchi was in attendance.

“I don’t have ‘bundlers’ and I don’t take PAC money.”-- Senator Obama has 79 bundlers and has collected over $13,000,000 in lobbyist PAC money

“I don’t take money from lobbyists.”-- At least 38 Individuals on Senator Obama’s campaign are or work for lobbyists.

“I don’t take money from oil companies.”-- According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Senator Obama has taken nearly $250,000 from oil companies

“I have clean connections, unlike my opponents and most of Washington.”-- Rezko, William Ayers (Abu-Zayd), Nadmi Auchi, Rashid Khalidi, Jeremiah Wright, James Meeks, Louis Farrakhan, Black Panthers, etc

“Unlike Senator Clinton, my donations have been thoroughly checked.”-- Senator Obama took donations from arrested Bundler, Norman Hsu (as did Clinton) and Antoin Tony Rezko. Rezko is currently on trial for corruption

“I only discovered I had investment conflicts through the mail.”-- Senator Obama’s investment conflicts were not brought to his attention by mail. Skyterra and AVI never sent letters to Senator Obama

“I sponsored dozens of my own bills in one year and passed them in the Illinois State Senate.”-- State Senator Ricky Hendon ‘appointed’ Obama as sponsor of Hendon’s high-profile legislation. Not one of those Bills was truly sponsored by Senator Obama

“I believe in fairness, not tactics, to win elections.”-- Senator Obama hired a team of investigators to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against him.

“I cleaned up the Altgeld Gardens Asbestos case.”-- Senator Obama failed to mention the many others who assisted and had taken the lead in solving this problem.

“I inspire people with my words.”-- Obama inspires people with other people’s words. It’s called plagiarizing.

“No one from my campaign discussed NAFTA with anyone in Canada.”-- The Canadian Government issued the names and details of the conversation Senator Obama’s campaign had with them.

“I won Michigan!”-- Senator Obama removed his name from the ballot after horrible poll numbers showed he would lose big. He later attempted to get voters to choose Uncommitted as a way of showing their support for him; Senator Clinton beat everyone on and off the ballot 55% to 40%.

“I won Nevada.”-- Senator Clinton won Nevada 51% to 45% over Senator Obama

“I believe in every vote counting. I support the people’s vote as their voice.”-- Senator Obama stalled on revote options in Michigan and Florida, until it was too late to hold any revote.

“I didn’t run ads in Florida.”-- Senator Obama allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and still lost by nearly 300,000 votes. One phone call could have stopped the ads. He left them to run.

“My campaign was extorted by a friend!”-- Old classmate Keith Kakugawa was “infuriated” by the charge and flatly denied it.

“My campaign didn’t do the “1984” hate ad against Clinton. We didn’t have the capabilities or the inclination.”-- His own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple laptop, in one afternoon.

“I have sponsored and passed plenty of Bills in the U.S. Senate. I have experience.”-- You have passed 2 BILLs in the U.S. Senate – one for Africa and one that makes lobbyists stand while they eat.

“I am tough on Terrorism!”-- Senator Obama’s friends include Louis Farrakhan, Rashid Khalidi, Nadhmi Auchi, and Ali Abunimah, most support Palestinian terrorism and the destruction of Israel.

“I respect the office of the President. I will do everything I can to uphold it’s honor and integrity.”-- Senator Obama’s campaign has secretly discussed NAFTA and has legitimized the FARC terrorlst organization, outside of the public’s knowledge and before the Senator has won the election.

“I am stronger on the issue of the Iraq than either Senator Clinton or Senator McCain.”-- Senator Obama has voted for every single Iraq bill since taking office. With many Iraqi millionaires donating to Senator Obama’s campaign, perhaps they have been promised something once U.S. forces leave.

“I have always supported Universal Health Care.”-- Senator Obama’s mandate for health care coverage applies only to children. Once they are adults then can opt out of buying health care. Any emergency room visits or other health service costs they cannot afford will be passed onto the tax payers of America. His plan is no where near Universal.

“I don’t have to show my patriotism to be patriotic. A pin on my lapel is not important.”-- Senator is often the only person on stage, at the playing of the National Anthem, that has his hands clasped in front of him and not over his heart. He usually (almost never) refuses to wear a flag pin, even when on Capitol Hill.

“My wife’s pay raise was deserved. She is the Vice President of U of C hospital.”-- Senator Obama’s wife’s pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated salary as one of 13 VP’s U of C Hospital has on staff. Her raise was less then 1 month after her husband won his senate seat.

“My wife’s words were taken out of context. She didn’t mean she has never been proud of America.”-- Senator Obama's wife’s comments were complete and fully in context. She has never been proud of America until now – those were her words and follow lock-step in the vein of Wright and Farrakhan.

“Senator Clinton was a corporate lawyer for Wal-Mart. I would not associate myself with Wal-Mart.-- Senator Obama’s wife has received nearly a quarter of a million dollars in compensation from Wal-Mart supplier Treehouse.

“My church is not particularly controversial.”-- Senator Obama’s church claims AIDS was manufactured by the US Government to kill Black people and Jesus was a supporter of slavery (among other things).

"I disagree with my church all the time. Rev. Wright is like an Uncle to me and you can’t choose family."-- Senator Obama continues to donate large sums of money to Trinity Church. This helps spread the churches’ message.

“I never heard sermons at Trinity like those being played on Youtube and by the mainstream media.”-- Senator Obama said he had never heard sermons that contained anything like what the mainstream media and Youtube were playing ‘on every station’. 3 days later, in his own speech, he stated ““Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.”

“People are out to get me because I am trying to change Washington. My passport files were looked into illegally.”-- Senator Obama’s own Campaign Foreign Policy Adviser is the CEO of the company that looked into the passport records.

“Rev. Meeks is not involved in my campaign.”-- Rev. Meeks appeared in ads for the Senator’s Senate Campaign, and continues to raise money for him during his Presidential run.

“I have the best plan to cure the Mortgage crisis.”Senator Obama’s Finance Chair on his Presidential campaign is Penny Prizker, one of the architects of the Subprime Lending Scheme.

“I am running a clean campaign, high on hope and free of negative attacks.”-- Senator Obama’s campaign had launched over 206 media attacks on Senator Clinton alone.

“I was being honest when I used the term ‘typical white people’, not racist.”-- If one cannot say ‘typical black people’ without being labeled racist, then the reverse is likewise racist.

“My campaign donations are from millions of average people {bitter, typical white people too?}. We are winning in a new way, without corporate influence, or special interests.”-- The implication is that special interests, corporations, banks, and industry donations are not accepted. Nothing could be further from the truth.

“I am NOT the most liberal Senator in the U.S. Senate.”-- Senator Obama ranked as the number one Liberal in the Senate based on his consistent voting record.

Weeeeeee

I could keep going. All this proves is that there is a losing side that is grasping at straws to find something to hang their hopes on. These statements are funny, ever ridiculous. 90 percent are taken out of context and reflect the spin of people who can’t find real issues to discuss.

I’m really amazed that you put your name on this Matt, seriously, you’re generally one of the more intelligent people I know, and I can’t see you not seeing through this.

I won’t stoop to bashing McCain and there is plenty to use. Of ammo to use for that. Instead, I’ll promote Obama for the breath of fresh air he is.

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I read that sentence several ways, perhaps you’re being literal when he’s speaking figuratively.

Senator Obama was in Selma, Alabama, before a mostly AA crowd at the Brown Chapel AME Church on March 4th, 2007. He clearly stated “because some folks were willing to march across a bridge . . . they (his parents) got together, and Barack Obama, Jr. was born. So don’t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma, Alabama!”

Does not sound figuratively to me since he was already born.

Again, you’re taking an analogy as figurative speech. Shame on you.

His father was privileged from the moment of his birth as he was born into the powerful Luo tribe and was graced with an ‘upper class’ lifestyle. He later would go on to be ‘Big Man’ of the tribe and work as a Senior Economist in the Kenyan Government. Sound like a complete "skew" of the truth.

This is a far stretch and unworthy of comment.

He portrays himself as a ‘new politician’ with a ‘new way’ of getting things done yet has stated, “I did feel that there was something to prove . . . to my father.” and in his book Dreams Of My Father, “It was into my father’s image . . . that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself.” While I understand he may not want to perceive his father in the light that others do, it sure seems some of his statements reflect similar feelings as his father had.

I imagine that there is more to his family than one renegade cousin. Again, is this your best shot?

Well, he campaigned for his cousin in Africa while visiting so does that mean he will simply do anything to support family/friends regardless of whether they are right or wrong or that he believes in what his cousin was doing? both suck

And Kennedy was elected some 2 months later. Kennedy is referred to as president even for events that preceded his presidency.

"Addressing civil rights activists in Selma, Ala., a year ago, Sen. Barack Obama traced his "very existence" to the generosity of the Kennedy family, which he said paid for his Kenyan father to travel to America on a student scholarship and thus meet his Kansan mother." - http://www.washingtonpost.com/....html

How is that possible when Kennedy was not in office? Why is he trying to rewrite his families history in order to build an association with Kennedy?

And I’m to attach some value to this? Perhaps he’s speaking of philosophy.

Why does Obama constantly show a willingness to evade, distort, or rewrite history. His Grandmother does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews (per Islamic law). Not to mention, Christianity does not allow for a woman to be one of 14 wives to 1 man. What part of this do you think he does not understand or is him being philosophical?

Quit it, we’re smarter than that. Do I care what he thinks the origion of his name is.

He claims to be African-American and he's not. The question is, why does he present himself that way? It's a minor point but a point nonetheless.

Primary school. Crap, Matt, seriously, did he have a choice? See next question.

Christian classes = a Christian school. Weak, very weak.

Indonesia requires students to study religion. Barry Soetoro was registered as a Muslim at the Meteng Primary School. One cannot participate in any studies within a Madrassa without practicing Islam. Granted, the Meteng Primary School did have catholic classes yet records show he did not attend them. After Meteng, he did attend a Catholic school for 2 years. While it really means nothing in the grand scheme of things, what is the motivation for lying about it publicly?

And that proves exactly what?

Dunno. I don't know why he would lie about it but records show it's a lie. That's the point of this thread.

And how long did Clinton or McCain live there?

Where is Clinton or McCain claiming they lived in a foreing country so they have greater foreign experience? He left by the time he was 10yo.

What about Indonesia?

He categorically stated he would be better qualified to meet with our nation’s ‘closest’ allies. Pakistan, Indonesia, India, Kenya, and Iraq can hardly be considered America’s ‘closest’ allies. Implying visits to 7 countries in nearly 47 years (4 of which were in his youth) is somehow equitable to visiting 80 countries in 18 years, (as has his opponent, Senator Clinton, in various official governmental capacities) is completely dishonest.

And of course, ethnically confused requires attendance at such a meeting. Right.

Obama: "Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man," Obama wrote in his book Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance. "The highs hadn't been about that, me trying to prove what a down brother I was. Not by then, anyway. I got high for just the opposite effect, something that could push questions of who I was out of my mind, something that could flatten out the landscape of my heart, blur the edges of my memory."

and

"We were always playing on the white man's court . . . by the white man's rules . . . . If the principal, or the coach, or a teacher . . . wanted to spit in your face, he could, because he had the power and you didn't. . . . The only thing you could choose was withdrawal into a smaller and smaller coil of rage. And the final irony: should you refuse this defeat and lash out at your captors . . . they would have a name for that too. Paranoid. Militant. . . . Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it."

Others on campus worked through these issues via meetings, he worked through the issues with drugs/alcohol while he was going to a liberal college that was not known to be racially charged. Sorry, it does not compute to simple "ethical confusion". He is 45 years old and went to college 2 years before I did. I saw none of what he was talking about and I went to school in GA where 1/4 of those attending were black and the south is supposed to be "so racially charged". His comments smell of total BS.

That a good one. Let’s let US law tell us our ancestry. That is almost funny.

Why does he claim he is something he's not? Votes from the black community?

Your source is so educated s/he doesn’t even know what a PhD is. (P.H.D) Again, the matter is relative. You’re taking things out of context.

ok. Deflection works. When was he underprivledged? When he lived in Indonesia and lived with his wealthy grandparents? When he was raised by his mother and step-father who was a oil executive? When he was again living with grandparents (remember, his grandmother was a VP of a bank in Hawaii)? When he attended Occidental College, a prep-school paid for by his family? Or when he went to Harvard and worked two summers?

It’s impossible to prove a negative. Ebony probably hasn’t found a UFO either, but that’s not proof that they don’t exist.

So, you think Ebony does not keep archives? ok....sure they don't.

This one is even better given that Life hasn’t been around for more years than McCain has been in the Senate.

Sure. ok....That means it exists and nobody can find any archives of Life magazine. Cool. BTW, Life itself is still around and surviving on their photography alone at this point and the historians of Life's archives say the story never existed.

Obviously his supporters believe in him and his experience.

He didn't think so. Then again, he's a rock star.

Wow, a politician that changes his mind. Amazing.

Silly isn't it? When criticized for his votes he simply says "oops". Only Obama can get away with this.

I barely know my neighbors too. Another fine point that proves nothing.

Well, he had is "political coming out party" at the Ayres house in 1995. He made a joint appearance with Bill Ayers in 1997 at a University of Chicago panel on the outrage of treating juvenile criminals, a panel that was orchestrated by Michelle Obama, then an Associate Dean of Student Services. In fact, it was the Obama's that invited him. They were on another panel together in 2002 on “Intellectuals in Times of Crisis.”. Ayres has been a fundraiser for Obama. While the director of the Woods Fund board, the Woods Fund provided a $40,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, or AAAN, for which Ayres wife, Mona, serves as president. The Fund provided a second grant to the AAAN for $35,000 in 2002. Obama and Ayres also were on the same neighborhood board and have meetings at Ayres home. You still contend they don't know each other as you don't know your neighbors very well?

I’ll bet he’s agains a private citizen owning a machine gun too.

Does it matter? He states he is for gun rights in one meeting then turns around and says he opposes them in another.

All lawyers practice constitutional law. The constitution is woven into all legal practice.

"Obama has taught courses in constitutional law, and so in casual conversation his students might well refer to him as "Professor." But he is listed on the University of Chicago web page as "Senior Lecturer in Law." His publications page lists his two autobiographical books, but no academic work of any sort, much less any academic writings on constitutional law. Now, given his relatively strong academic credentials and the extent of affirmative action in academic hiring, if Obama had written articles about, well, pretty much anything, he would undoubtedly have been able to get hired at an elite law school in a tenure-track position. But he didn't.

Barack Obama may well know a lot more about constitutional law than the average person, or even the average lawyer. But he is not a Professor of Constitutional Law. Nor is he an assistant professor or associate professor. At most, he's an "adjunct professor," which is not the same thing at all. "

Check with Univ of Chicago. He was a professor, or, a lecturer in con law.

Again, he is stressing something that he isn't.

Hahahaha. That is the product of a losing side grasping for straws.

He made a statement that was false.

Out of context. Check it out.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02...login

Realize the exelon contributed at least $227,000 to his campaign

I could keep going. All this proves is that there is a losing side that is grasping at straws to find something to hang their hopes on. These statements are funny, ever ridiculous. 90 percent are taken out of context and reflect the spin of people who can’t find real issues to discuss.

I’m really amazed that you put your name on this Matt, seriously, you’re generally one of the more intelligent people I know, and I can’t see you not seeing through this.

I won’t stoop to bashing McCain and there is plenty to use. Of ammo to use for that. Instead, I’ll promote Obama for the breath of fresh air he is.

If I find information about Mac passing lies I'd call him to the table as well (I think a number of his policies are BS and have said so). You have not represented your point on any of the above in the least. Sure, I dislike Obama but with the list above even if 1/3rd of those are lies he has spread then why would he not be called out on the table (the media would have buried a Republican embellishing that much)? He is being given a big pass to get out of class and everything the Obama supporters hear is taken as gospel. How can you press forth hope and change when you are not being honest with the people as a whole?

Bob, I like ya and think you are an OK guy, little liberal in certain aspects, but what I have posted is what Obama has said and the truth based on his statements. I can deal with some flipflopping with politicians but the above is a hell of a lot of "spin".

[AZhitman]

Folks, I don't care WHO you support, that there's an arse-whuppin'.

I grew up in rural Alabama and Mississippi and was 7 years behind him in school. That race crap was long-since gone... Keep in mind, at my elementary school, there were still seperate water fountains, but the words "Colored" and "White" had been painted over years prior.

Quickie dismissals of valid points won't win over any undecided voters. They might make the Obamallamas feel better about their delusions, but, as with Algore, history will reveal him as the charlatan that he is.

[skylndrftr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzr3pdXqZ98

Yeah ummm the guy doing the questioning is right.

it goes both ways audaticious.

[audtatious]

I don't put Mac on a pedestal. Right now, it's Mac vs Obama so I don't have much of a choice in who I choose, IMO.

BTW, thanks for the link as I had not seen that.

[smockers83]

I agree that a few of those are kind of out there and questionable/debatable, but for the most part, it does represent something significant to me as an undecided.

[audtatious]

I do agree some are kinda a stretch but the basis is he stated something (lots of somethings) that are not necessarily correct. I understand politicians wording things to get select groups to support them, but damn....that's a lotta stretching up there and I'm sure there are more if I looked more.

While I'm not sure what the issue was with the GI bill and such the guy in the video was talking about (I'll look into it later), I kinda like that Mac gets cranky.

[skylndrftr]

he tends to get cranky when hes caught lieing...he actually opposed the new GI bill.

Honestly aud, I think they both suck but then I think that about a lot of politicians. We need more engineers and more scientists and more people with math as a career as opposed to people who make a career of bull****.

[AZhitman]

I think the POINT that needs to be made here is this, and skyln is RIGHT on the money:

We're sick of hearing how Oblahma is the Second Coming. He ain't. He's no different than any other Washington pol, no matter how much "hope and change" rhetoric he spouts.

Notice the J-Mac supporters aren't raving about how amazing a President he'll make - Because we've had better candidates.

But this crap HAS to stop. Take the freakin' crown off this guy's head - He's a flip-flopper and a liar, and just another politician... No reason to believe he's ANY different than the current guy that everyone loves to hate.

Pick a candidate based on how closely his beliefs match yours. NOT on what he promises to do, because we ALL know none of them keep their campaign promises. That ain't partisan, that's FACT.

[skylndrftr]

::hugs AZ::

I take issue with your last statement though, if you pick one of these two candidates based on their believes your dumb as a rock because it changes with the wind...And that measn both of them.

We have a Pro Life republican running against a Democrat who supports Giving money to faith based groups...my brain hurts. Shot them all and elect Bin Laden, yesterdays Senate vote already proves the ****ers lied.

And just to adress that, Obama changed his position (I won't call it lieing I'll call it pandering because its more appropriate for politicians) and Mccain didn't show up to vote. So either he doesn't support the constitution or he doesn't support keeping America safe...I hope they all DIAF.

BTW AZ I am really enjoying Phoenix (Chandler), you boys got a nice *** city here

[audtatious]

::hugs AZ::

I take issue with your last statement though, if you pick one of these two candidates based on their believes your dumb as a rock because it changes with the wind...And that measn both of them.

I don't think that is quite what Greg was saying

When I look at the two I firmly believe that Mac has moved back-n-forth on some issues where as Obama has not been firm as to where he stands on most issues to even judge where he stands in the first place or what he is going to vote.

[rn79870]

And Kennedy was elected some 2 months later. Kennedy is referred to as president even for events that preceded his presidency.

"Addressing civil rights activists in Selma, Ala., a year ago, Sen. Barack Obama traced his "very existence" to the generosity of the Kennedy family, which he said paid for his Kenyan father to travel to America on a student scholarship and thus meet his Kansan mother." - http://www.washingtonpost.com/....html

How is that possible when Kennedy was not in office? Why is he trying to rewrite his families history in order to build an association with Kennedy?

See Matt, that's exactly what you've gotten yourself into with this weak argument.

To start with, you use the word "President". Then when called, you change it to "Kennedy family." Your entire citation is weak and doesn't hold up under scrutiny. When you have to backpedal to clarify the initial statement, the statement looses credibility. This whole "lie" thing is weak at best.

I could make the same argument about my science teacher telling lies. He told me there were 9 planets. He lied and he isn't worthy of being a teacher now. On theother hand, perhaps misspeaking a fact that someone believes to be true, and eventually turns out to be dirfferent isn't really a lie. Heck, I'll go so far as to even allow for misunderstandings due to statements being taken out of context and possibly incomplete. It's no different than an evangelist citing a few lines from the bible to meet his needs, albeit out of context and limited to the few words that suit his needs.

When I see the other side respond with half truths and innuendos, (not you Matt, but the persons you have cited) I realize they are doing so as a last resort. A last ditch effort to return to glory.

I agree Obama isn't the second coming. There are issues I don't agree in his platform. However, when one dispassionately looks at the overall picture, he is the superior candidate.

To everyone else, regardless of how you vote this November, this election is far to important to miss. Please vote.

[audtatious]

The fact is that he is insisting that his birth came out of the march. That's impossible as he was already born. One is true and the other is not. If you simply don't take his words at face value and instead "get the gist of his statements" and accept them from an emotional level then he has successfully catered to you and what you want to believe about him.

As far as the Kennedy deal, "Kennedy family" was from the quote I posted that came from a Washington Post article, thus not my words. My references have always been addressing President Kennedy himself.

[skylndrftr]

I don't think that is quite what Greg was saying

When I look at the two I firmly believe that Mac has moved back-n-forth on some issues where as Obama has not been firm as to where he stands on most issues to even judge where he stands in the first place or what he is going to vote.

I definitely understand where your gettings at. However I think its worth noting that McCain has been in the senate for long enough to call it moving aronud, while Obama doesn't have a long enough record for it to be called moving, it simply gets taken as what you said...unable to judge.

Neither one is worse its just sad that the two real choices for president don't feel the need to be consistent with the people they represent.

I may disagree with Ron Paul on a lot of things but at least I know where he stands long enough to disagree with.

[mtcookson]

“I am fluent in Indonesian.”-- Not one teacher says that Senator Obama could speak the language at the time.

How funny... I just saw this in an article on making students learn other languages:

Quoting Obama in the article:

"We should want our children with more knowledge. We should want our children to have more skills. There's nothing wrong with that. That's a good thing. I know, because I don't speak a foreign language. It's embarrassing,"

No Barack... what should be embarrassing to you is the fact that you said you do speak a foreign language, fluently nonetheless, then say that you don't speak a foreign language at all. THAT is what you SHOULD be embarrassed about.

[AZhitman]

No Barack... what should be embarrassing to you is the fact that you said you do speak a foreign language, fluently nonetheless, then say that you don't speak a foreign language at all. THAT is what you SHOULD be embarrassed about.

Thank you.

Let's not confuse "adjusting one's position on a policy issue" with LYING ABOUT AN INCONSEQUENTIAL THING.

These are TALL TALES, folks.

There's no reason to do it, other than to impress your starry-eyed audience.

Anyone here ever hear of Akon? Yeah. The girly-voiced R&B superstar... He tells "tall tales" too, and they caught up with him.

Bob's right - Whatever your politics, however you lean, whatever you believe... If you don't vote, you suck.

GO VOTE IN NOVEMBER.

[96Qowner]

Might I offer a small caveat?

Everyone should learn something and THEN go vote. I don't think it's a good thing to vote out of pure ignorance.

[Encryptshun]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

Particularly regarding the speaking-a-foreign-language thing, I believe the source of that soundbyte was from the Indonesian Ambassador to the U.S. as quoted in the linked article.

I personally don't believe that Obama would have used the term "Indonesian" regarding that language. It would be like someone saying "I speak Canadian". He'd know the difference. Therefore that assertion is highly suspect.

And as for whether he's African-American, I'm pretty sure the last time I checked that Kenya is in Africa. How, then, is he not African American?
Modified by Encryptshun at 3:41 PM 7/11/2008

[skylndrftr]

And as for whether he's African-American, I'm pretty sure the last time I checked that Kenya is in Africa. How, then, is he not African American?

That had me cracking up. Not that yo usaid anythign wrong.

Last election cycle I volunteered to drive voters in Virginia, non-partisan (I don't think they should be involved in that) just for an eldercare center. One old guy started ranting about Jesse Jackson being an African American he onlly votes for 'American Americans'... Soin fairness Jesse jackson is an American American (who is black) but amazingly the first feasbable black candidate for president IS African American

...sorry I'll show myself out.

[AZhitman]

Oh, Jesse Jackson is a hyphenated American, for sure.

Waterhead-American comes to mind.

[skylndrftr]

I always get Jesse-Jackson and Don King confused

[AZhitman]

I always get Jesse-Jackson and Don King confused

Throw in Al Sharpton for the TRIFECTA OF FAIL.

[ishkabibble]

Are all of those quotes referenced somewhere? They are all direct quotes and not paraphrased?

[rn79870]

Actually, they're mostly out of contexct quotes about innocent subjects. In all fairness, Obama hasn't been around long enough to have the baggage some ancient politician (like McCain) has, so they have to grasp at straws.

[ishkabibble]

I want to hear from the OP whether he did his homework on this one or not.

[audtatious]

I admitted some of them were a stretch. What else do you want? Do I fact check stuff all the time? Hell no. If you want to pay me 6 figures to do so then I surly will be accomodating. FWIW, Snopes only commented on 22 of them so is every one invalidated because less them half are a stretch or taken out of content? To you I'm sure it is.

[skylndrftr]

Why would we pay you to fact check your own arguement?

You basically just said that our not interested in making sure your arguement is truthful...how can we disagree with you if your making stuff up?

[audtatious]

I copy-n-paste on a whim and you expect me to fact check too? That's what the members here are for.