obama lets israel slide on thier nukes

[diamondj30]

http://www.ynetnews.com/articl....html

I think they should be held to task like anyone else.Heck, thier not even an allie.lol.They screw us all the time.Dual citazins of israel shouldnt be allowed in our government either.Used to be law's against that.like against nazi working in our government too.they overturn that law.Now were ran by nazi's.lmao.They Kill our reporters,hold americans and we dont say crap.Sorry i spell like einstein now days.And giving these war criminals money is just plain wrong.Why should they health care paid by us.yet we dont get crap?zionist state is illegal anyway.Damn sykes and pico agreement and balford decleration.. shouldnt be giving others land away!!This spell's out our servatude to the racist state israelhttp://www.informationclearing...7.htm

our fine political leaders at work.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ex=13

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[szh]

I am among the last people in the world who would defend Israel's governmental policies. I simply do not like some of their policies and resulting side-effect actions. For example, I dislike the way they treat Palestinians living in Gaza. Simply unacceptable, and these have long-term repercussions for stability in the area. And the over-zealous, and often grossly one-side, nature of how they react to threats has a tendency to alienate people permanently further.

But, saying that citizen's of Israel should be denied the same rights we give to citizen's of other countries because of these policy issues, is over-simplifying the situation way too much. We allow dual-citizenship in the US now (I am one for example) and this is our current US policy. Furthermore, claiming that Israel is racist on the basis on the amount of money the US gives them is an unreasonable and unrealistic stretch.

Israel has serious concerns about the threats to their existence. Some are legitimate, given that fanaticism - religious and political - plays a far larger role in world-events today than most of us would like. Other concerns are downright paranoid, but this has roots in history too - persecution of them has been commonplace over centuries. Anti-semitism is far too alive for them to ignore it so trivially.

Regardless, while I do not like these things about Israel, advocating completely throwing them over the side is not going to help the messed up situation in the Middle East.

So, yes, Obama (and we) should take them to task for over-zealous actions, but this does not mean that we should start implementing our US policies in an equally over-zealous manner.

Z

[AZhitman]

^ The voice of wisdom.

Many in our government would be wise to heed it.

[diamondj30]

Wow Basing money make's a racist.How does money make them racist?WtF,lol.Israel is a known racist state.Its built on zionism Commy history from u.s. schools aisnt going to get it here..I wouldnt want to be an orthadox jew in isreal!!The whole world know's thier a racist state fostered on lies..Wake up guys.Dont be thier fool.they dont even abide by any u.n. resilutions.Their Rogue terrorlst!!Thats just how it is.So people have no problem with emanuel being a mossaad military shill?Unreal.you know,the jewish lobby was going to have to register as a foriegn entity,but they killed kennedy who would have made that come to fruit.they stole palestine,used hagana's to surround every village and kill them in thier tracks to clear the way for whity,lol.Palkestinians have a deep history.Europeans have no right being there.They have no connection what so ever.and thats just the way it is.im against Talmudic lawZionist shouldnt play jew's.And the jews are fighting back now.As it should be!im with the truthhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v..._pagehttp://w ... ..7.htmnot into democracy now but a great debate.Im with the truth,with Finklestein! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4bNAi-4j6s&NR=1

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[szh]

Wow Basing money make's a racist.How does money make them racist?WtF,lol.

I am merely "connecting dots". Didn't you say "racist state Israel" and then link to an article that talks about the money given to them by the US? See this quote from your post:

This spell's out our servatude to the racist state israelhttp://www.informationclearing...7.htm

From here on, I think your post is way past extreme, and simply trolling for a reaction from everybody.

Quote »Its built on zionism Commy history from u.s. schools aisnt going to get it here..I wouldnt want to be an orthadox jew in isreal!!The whole world know's thier a racist state fostered on lies..Wake up guys.Dont be thier fool.they dont even abide by any u.n. resilutions.Their Rogue terrorlst!!Thats just how it is.So people have no problem with emanuel being a mossaad military shill?Unreal.you know,the jewish lobby was going to have to register as a foriegn entity,but they killed kennedy who would have made that come to fruit.they stole palestine,used hagana's to surround every village and kill them in thier tracks to clear the way for whity,lol.Palkestinians have a deep history.Europeans have no right being there.They have no connection what so ever.and thats just the way it is.im against Talmudic lawZionist shouldnt play jew's.And the jews are fighting back now.As it should be!im with the truthhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v..._pagehttp://w ... ..7.htmnot into democracy now but a great debate.Im with the truth,with Finklestein! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v..._page[/quote]Sigh ... extreme positions are not likely to succeed in convincing most people ... who normally believe in rationality and moderation. Such over-the-top extremism only leads to further polarization. So, I choose not to react any further to your over-done statements here.

Peace.

Z

[diamondj30]

Your a funny guy,lol.i should by you lunch.Did you watch finklestein and hershawitz.Name isnt worth spelling write,im not sorry,lol.He's acts like a 4th grader.example,from me,I drew a naked picture of my hot teacher in school.got caught.No prob.using my tiny little infant mind,the first thing i said to my couselor was "do you think im dumb enough to draww that on my own paper",lol.4th grade mids at work,lol.Used it on a cop last time i was stopped and he folded,lol.no ticket!Problem solved,lol.there is nothing extream about my position what so ever.just factual.lol.

I hope our relationship with these criminal's ceasehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0N4zmY4XJY
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[audtatious]

From here on, I think your post is way past extreme, and simply trolling for a reaction from everybody.

This is correct

[diamondj30]

troll this.http://video.google.com/videop...hl=en#

Unbelievable how you guys treat people.you get a gold star,

[Urabus GodofTraction]

I've always wondered what it would be like to let a baby chicken all over a keyboard. I now know.

[diamondj30]

boy oh boy,just handing out gold star's today,lmaoSo what this tell's me here you guys condone this and cant wait for more.You dont mind your grandchildren paying servatude for your servatude to these people.Why the name calling?What grade are you in may i ask?I just think people should know who steels there money and break international law in the name of colonial imperialism.Pretty simple stuff.I been with this group since 97 and yet to be called a troll for what i have contributed.Dont make me laugh! I'm guilty of caring for the people here.June 8, 1967Israel attacks USS Liberty

During the Six-Day War, Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats attack the USS Liberty in international waters off Egypt's Gaza Strip. The intelligence ship, well-marked as an American vessel and only lightly armed, was attacked first by Israeli aircraft that fired napalm and rockets at the ship. The Liberty attempted to radio for assistance, but the Israeli aircraft blocked the transmissions. Eventually, the ship was able to make contact with the U.S. carrier Saratoga, and 12 fighter jets and four tanker planes were dispatched to defend the Liberty. When word of their deployment reached Washington, however, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered them recalled to the carrier, and they never reached the Liberty. The reason for the recall remains unclear.

Back in the Mediterranean, the initial air raid against the Liberty was over. Nine of the 294 crewmembers were dead and 60 were wounded. Suddenly, the ship was attacked by Israeli torpedo boats, which launched torpedoes and fired artillery at the ship. Under the command of its wounded captain, William L. McGonagle, the Liberty managed to avert four torpedoes, but one struck the ship at the waterline. Heavily damaged, the ship launched three lifeboats, but these were also attacked--a violation of international law. Failing to sink the Liberty, which displaced 10,000 tons, the Israelis finally desisted. In all, 34 Americans were killed and 171 were wounded in the two-hour attack. In the attack's aftermath, the Liberty managed to limp to a safe port.

Israel later apologized for the attack and offered $6.9 million in compensation, claiming that it had mistaken the Liberty for an Egyptian ship. However, Liberty survivors, and some former U.S. officials, believe that the attack was deliberate, staged to conceal Israel's pending seizure of Syria's Golan Heights, which occurred the next day. The ship's listening devices would likely have overheard Israeli military communications planning this controversial operation. Captain McGonagle was later awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for his heroic command of the Liberty during and after the attack.

[audtatious]

I can read the cut-n-paste part

[Urabus GodofTraction]

What grade are you in may i ask?

USDA Prime.

[bobotech]

USDA Prime.

Now I want a kosher steak.

[marlin29311]

I can read the cut-n-paste part

Reading comprehension FTW.

Now I want a kosher steak.

I was thinking Filet Mingon.

[heliochrome85]

[szh]

Mmmm ... good!

Z

[diamondj30]

lol

[diamondj30]

How Israel bought off UN's war crimes probe

By Jonathan Cook

October 06, 2009 "Information Clearing House" - --- Israel celebrated at the weekend its success at the United Nations in forcing the Palestinians to defer demands that the International Criminal Court investigate allegations of war crimes committed by Israel during its winter assault on the Gaza Strip.

The about-turn, following vigorous lobbying from Israel and the United States, appears to have buried the damning report of Judge Richard Goldstone into the fighting, which killed some 1,400 Palestinians, most of them civilians.

Israeli diplomats suggested on Sunday that Washington had promised the Palestinian Authority, in return for delaying an inquiry, that the US would apply "significant pressure" on Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, to move ahead on a diplomatic process when the US envoy, George Mitchell, arrives in the region tomorrow.

But, according to Israeli and Palestinian analysts, diplomatic arm-twisting was not the only factor in the PA's change of heart. Haaretz newspaper reported last week that, behind the scenes, Palestinian officials had faced threats that Israel would retaliate by inflicting enormous damage on the beleaguered Palestinian economy.

In particular, Israel warned it would renege on a commitment to allot radio frequencies to allow Wataniya, a mobile phone provider, to begin operations this month in the West Bank. The telecommunications industry is the bedrock of the Palestinian economy, with the current monopoly company, PalTel, accounting for half the worth of the Palestinian stock exchange.

The collapse of the Wataniya deal would have cost the Palestinian Authority hundreds of millions of dollars in penalties, blocked massive investment in the local economy and jeopardized about 2,500 jobs.

Omar Barghouti, a Jerusalem-based founder of a Palestinian movement for an academic and cultural boycott of Israel, denounced the Palestinian Authority's move: "Trading off Palestinian rights and the fundamental duty to protect the Palestinians under occupation for personal gains is the textbook definition of collaboration and betrayal."

The deal to establish Wataniya as the second Palestinian mobile phone operator has been at the center of the international community's plans to revive the West Bank's economy and show that Palestinians are better off under the rule of Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president, than Hamas.

Tony Blair, the Middle East envoy representing the so-called Quartet of the US, Russia, the UN and the EU, brokered the agreement last summer, saying Wataniya's investment of more than $700 million over the next 10 years would "provide a much-needed boost to the Palestinian economy."

Wataniya is a joint venture between Palestinian investors, including close allies of Abbas, and Qatari and Kuwaiti businessmen.

But while Netanyahu has welcomed the deal as part of his plans for an "economic peace," an option he prefers to Palestinian statehood, Israel has been dragging its feet in allocating the necessary frequencies.

Wataniya's planned launch earlier this year had to be pushed back and the company has threatened to pull out of the deal if the new 15 October deadline is missed. If it does, the Palestinian Authority will have to repay $140m in licensing fees and could be liable for hundreds of millions more that Wataniya has invested in building 350 communication masts across the West Bank.

According to Who Profits?, an Israeli organization that investigates links between Israel and international companies in exploiting the occupied territories, Israel has a vested interest in limiting the success of the Palestinian mobile phone industry and protecting its control over extensive parts of the West Bank it wants for Jewish settlement.

The only existing Palestinian operator, Jawwal, a subsidiary of PalTel, has been blocked from building communications infrastructure in the so-called Area C of the West Bank, comprising 60 percent of the territory, which is designated under full Israeli control.

Instead, four Israeli companies -- Cellcom, Orange, Pelephone and Mirs -- have built an extensive network of antennas and transmission stations for Jewish settlers in Area C. Mirs, a subsidiary of Motorola Israel, also has an exclusive license to provide cellular services to the Israeli military.

Typically, Palestinians traveling outside the major population areas of the West Bank find a limited or non-existent Jawwal service and therefore have to rely on the Israeli companies.

A World Bank report last year found that as much as 45 percent of the Palestinian mobile phone market may be in the hands of the Israeli companies. In violation of the Oslo accords, these firms do not pay taxes to the PA for their commercial activity, losing the Palestinian treasury revenues of up to $60m a year.

Israeli companies also rake off additional surcharges on connections made by Palestinians using Jawwal, including calls between mobile phones and landlines, between the West Bank and Gaza and many within Area C, and international calls.

Dalit Baum, a founder of Who Profits?, said the importance of the telecommunications industry to the Palestinian economy made it a point of leverage over the PA at moments of diplomatic crisis, such as the Goldstone report.

She said: "This case highlights not only how Israel restricts Palestinian economic development through the occupation but also how it uses that control for its own economic and diplomatic advantage."

Israel's chief of staff, Gabi Ashkenazi, was reported last week to have conditioned his approval for Wataniya's launch on the Palestinian leadership withdrawing demands for a referral to the war crimes tribunal.

Defense officials were reported to be angry that the PA had supported the attack on Gaza when it was launched last winter but were now pressing for Israeli soldiers to be put in the dock. One senior figure was quoted by the Haaretz newspaper saying: "The PA has reached the point where it has to decide whether it is working with us or against us."

Under the Oslo accords, Israel retained ultimate control over the "electro-magnetic spectrum," including the allocation of radio frequencies, in both Israel and the occupied territories.

Allan Richardson, Wataniya's chief executive, who has previously launched mobile services in post-war Iraq and Afghanistan, blamed Israel for the company's problems during an interview in July: "The obstacles we're suffering from are obstacles you'll never get anywhere else in the world."

Last year Israel committed to providing Wataniya with a bandwidth of 4.8MHz, the absolute minimum required to provide coverage over the West Bank, but so far has offered only 3.8MHz.

Jawwal finally received 4.8MHz from Israel in 1999, two years after it launched. Despite the number of its subscribers growing tenfold to 1.1 million today, its bandwidth has remained the same. In comparison, Israel's Cellcom company, with three times as many subscribers, has 37MHz.

Abdel Malik Jaber, PalTel's chief executive, complained last year that millions of dollars of imported telecoms equipment was stuck at Israeli customs, some of it since 2004. Wataniya has made similar accusations against Israel.

Jonathan Cook is a writer and journalist based in Nazareth, Israel. His latest books are Israel and the Clash of Civilisations: Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East (Pluto Press) and Disappearing Palestine: Israel's Experiments in Human Despair (Zed Books). His website is http://www.jkcook.net.

A version of this article originally appeared in The National, published in Abu Dhabi.

[diamondj30]

always have to add a little comedy,lol.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v..._page

[AZhitman]

Someone better throw that back on the grille before it heals up and walks away.

[diamondj30]

http://cgi.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/s...Watch

wrong link woop's

bow to your oppressor's,lol.I dont pay income tax
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[bobotech]

Good god, that looks wonderful!!

I love nearly raw steak. I even love steak tatare (sp?).

[AZhitman]

I dont pay income tax

Aren't you on SSDI?

[diamondj30]

ya.but i dont get taxed.not enough.its only 1300 a month.I get over 50k a year untaxable from pention.i just got ssi.dont nhink ill be paying.I havnt paid taxes since 97.Onlky when my back pay was over 90k i paid 3 grand on 150k last year,lol.So i guess i do pay,lol.I was wondering about that first time home buyer tax deal.but where would i save in tax's.property i guess?we'll see.lol.sorry for off topic.
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[AZhitman]

Nice to know you're pulling your weight.

I don't like income tax either, but I comply with the law.

Ranks right up there with uninsured motorists and people who choose not to carry health insurance on my s*** list.

[diamondj30]

At least it pay's for my daughter's collage.Thats what's important to me.She will never pay for a loan.Im not that kinda parent.I really dont know what i get for ssi.Cause there couped kinda now.I have a payee.Heres a funny one,off topic.show's how unreal the tax people are.I got sued for credit.I won.They had to pay for my lawyer.The difference i had saved they wanted me to pay tax on.my wife told them on the phone,show me the law.Dude had no comback,lmao.Kinda like buying something on sale,yet pay the whole tax on the original amount.wack man.Im so on it now.Im dont really consider myself sick now in the head.brian fog,add ,woopy.I can read outloud like calling a aution for the first time in my life.Im so much better.Never was dumb a** though in these things.I was the kinda guy that took my boss's into thier office and get on them for using our 401's as slush funds.Dont need collage to know when your being played,lol.Sorry for off topic.
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[AZhitman]

Sarcasm detector fails.

Anyway, back to Obama and Israel.

[Nismo_Freak]

I don't care, with any luck they'll turn Iran into glass on their dime.

[audtatious]

They just need some key night ops with sniper rifles.....