Obama Has Failed

[srellim234]

Ballz- did you even read the snopes.com part of their presentation or just the "true" word at the top of the page?

First paragraph under "Origins" states, among other things, "...However, some of the quotes are truncated, and context is provided for none of them- several of the quotes were offered in the course of statements that clearly indicated the speaker was decidedly against unilateral military intervention in Iraq by the U.S. Morover, several of the quotes offered antedate the four nights of airstrikes unleashed against Iraq by U.S. and British forces during Operation Desert Fox in December 1998, after which Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen and Gen. Henry H. Shelton (chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) announced the action had been successful in "degrading Saddam Hussein's ability to deliver chemical, biological and nuclear weapons."

[AZhitman]

^ Correct.

However, the good news is this: This thread is about BO's failing attempt to ram healthcare reform down the throats of the American public without consensus, without consideration from the experts, and without regard for the likelihood of failure.

And so far, no one's refuted the points that I (and many others in this thread) have laid out.

[BallzDeep1.9L]

failing on hurricane Katrina

Again you fail on the facts, it was the LA STATE gov't that had NO PLAN for emergencies. they also had no inter-state contracts with neighboring states for assistance, my own aunt works for the state of Florida in disaster relief. They had a bunch of supplies and people ready to go and offer assistance but had no legal right to do so, so for a long time they had to sit there on their asses and do nothing becuase of the failings of the LA state gov't to properly plan for such a disaster. Organizations that actually did send down truckloads of supplies were turned away and had to drive all the way back. And even after all of this the Governer of LA TWICE turned down assistance of the national guard becuase in doing so would LOSE power over how things were handled. Eventually supplies did flow through, but far to late.

So yet again you blame George Bush for things that aren't his fault. You, as i am quickly beginning to learn, in this my third response to your baseless rantings. Have not a clue what you are talking about, EVER. You blame the GOP for only throwing out partisan ranting, yet you yourself do the same. You say that the dems should just push things through without the republicans, yet comprimise is what this country is built on. You are in a political thread and have no idea how our gov't actually operates.

But all things considered i seriously enjoy tearing you apart when you say ignorant things. Its even gotten good enough you are my new signature. So please keep posting stupidity so that when you get called out on it you can just ignore it by not responding and prove all of us right.
Modified by BallzDeep1.9L at 4:21 PM 8/25/2009

[srellim234]

Unfortunately, in today's economic and political climate I don't think it's possible to reach a concensus. The gap has simply gotten too wide between the "haves" and the "have nots" economically, and too wide between the social conservatives and the socially liberal.

The opposite ends of the spectrum are so busy opposing each other that no one appears to be truly interested in fixing our broken system. As a result, healthcare will continue to eat up larger and larger chunks of GNP until proper healthcare is out of reach for all but the wealthiest.

We need a cooperative effort to reach a concensus, not an adversarial one.

[BallzDeep1.9L]

you are correct, the point of me posting that wasent whether the invasion of iraq was correct, but it was in response to telcoman saying george bush told everyone there were WMD's, as if he was the ONLY one doing so, which is completely untrue. Whether some of those democrats agreed with the invasion or not doesnt diminish the fact that Bush and the republicans were not the only ones who ever said that iraq had WMD's. i admit though that i should have stated that in my previous post, my mistake.

[BallzDeep1.9L]

Unfortunately, in today's economic and political climate I don't think it's possible to reach a concensus. The gap has simply gotten too wide between the "haves" and the "have nots" economically, and too wide between the social conservatives and the socially liberal.

The opposite ends of the spectrum are so busy opposing each other that no one appears to be truly interested in fixing our broken system. As a result, healthcare will continue to eat up larger and larger chunks of GNP until proper healthcare is out of reach for all but the wealthiest.

We need a cooperative effort to reach a concensus, not an adversarial one.

^agreed

[audtatious]

We need a cooperative effort to reach a concensus, not an adversarial one.

That would be nice, and what I would expect of my elected government. BUT....it's not going to happen right now. Maybe after the Super Majority is broken in 2010.....

[AZhitman]

Coincidentally, the "broken" system costs us about the same amount as the proposed overhaul would cost.

And given the government's track record of being unable to stay within budget on ANY program or reform, I'd say standing pat is a safe bet.

Here's a good article on what SHOULD happen, if we feel we MUST act now:

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped....html

[smockers83]

Coincidentally, the "broken" system costs us about the same amount as the proposed overhaul would cost.

More and more people actually listen to what I say, not saying that you didn't think of that yourself Greg. But this is one thing that I've said before, the "overhaul" is a just a spin on the status quo. There are no changes being made to the real problems, just changes to mask the problem from the People's eyes and to make them insensitive to those problems.

I also see someone is also joining me on the Katrina failure.

Feels good to be a gangsta (pan to Office Space, smashing printer).

We need a cooperative effort to reach a concensus, not an adversarial one.

That would be nice, but what we need to do is address the real problems. What we're doing with the healthcare industry now is what the auto industry was doing almost a decade ago...just putting patches here and there to hide what's really going on. We've seen where that's gone and how it ended. Fix the real problems and you'll see turnaround.

What's the real problem? Costs. Costs were the issue with the auto industry, costs are the issue with the healthcare industry. We need to address costs, not method of payment.

If the healthcare industry can figure out how to cut its costs, you will see tons of growth based only on cost cutting such as we saw in other companies a few decades ago. One will see better quality, lower prices, more people able to participate in the system, all simply due to lower costs. A bill such as that in Congress would infinitely never be able to achieve what just cost cutting could do.

[AZhitman]

Exactly.

Which takes us back to the very title of this thread.

By pandering to the extremists, he's set himself up for utter failure... The left is starting to doubt his commitment to THEIR version of "reform", and he's responding... which is unfortunate.

Look, I don't want to see him fall on his face - it's bad for Americans, and it's bad for America.

But dammit, Prez, show some backbone here. Bring in the heavy hitters. Make a tough call or two. Tell the extreme left that they're WRONG, and tell them WHY they're wrong.

Everyone will respect you more in the end.

[BusyBadger]

But dammit, Prez, show some backbone here. Bring in the heavy hitters. Make a tough call or two. Tell the extreme left that they're WRONG, and tell them WHY they're wrong.

Everyone will respect you more in the end.

The Right needs to do the same thing though. We're a nation of moderates that elects candiates preaching support to the extremes.

[AZhitman]

I'll buy that for a dollar.

I cringe when I hear some wacko from the far right making the conservative moderates look bad.

[audtatious]

If you listen to the MSM and Dems it seems there is no such thing as a moderate conservative. Anyone who is not left leaning is a extremist.

[hannibal]

The Right needs to do the same thing though. We're a nation of moderates that elects candiates preaching support to the extremes.

Very true.

Matt, who is this MSM you keep mentioning? mainstream media??Same thing can be said of moderate lefties. Theyre all labeled socialists. I really really hate all these labels involved in politics. I'm not sure why we feel the need to label everyone's opinions. There are few (if any) politicians or citizens who seek to destroy out country. We just have different opinions and perspectives on how to make things better.

I dont believe Republicans want people to remain uninsured. But that contrasts sharply with extreme lefties who think we should hand out money on street corners. There is some middle ground and thats what we should be focusing on, not the extremists who get all the limelight.

[audtatious]

I surely agree. Unfortunately I believe a number of extremists are in power right now....